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[US Federal Congressional Elections 2018] Tester Wins, AZ/FL Too Close
Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
Did McConnell talking about bipartisanship in 2014 and 2017 undercut conservative enthusiasm? Why are progressives so unique that generic statements of bipartisanship kill their enthusiasm but not that of conservatives?
Everyone knows McConnell is lying out his ass when he talks about bipartisanship, though
So is Pelosi!
I'll need to see evidence of that. Senate Majority Minority Leader keeps making "deals" with McConnell, who never fails to renege on it immediately after the period ends the sentence.
It's an important distinction.
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Like Pelosi using a boring quote from Reagan about treating immigrants nicely is being used as evidence that she needs to go, and that seems kind of odd to me given the job of House Minority Leader/House Majority Leader usually isn't to be a bomb thrower and we already know what her positions on immigration and what she is probably willing to agree to are.
I don't need her to be a bomb thrower, but promising bipartisanship is fucking ridiculous at this point. I don't want to vote Ally with the guys that have never once refrained from repeatedly jamming the Betray button. You don't have to get up there and say, "We were elected to obstruct you, lol get fucked", just maybe don't say you're going to try and work with the white supremacists?
Do you want the narrative of the entire house (that is, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) to be "Pelosi stateswoman, stands for things!" Or "something something shrill something something"?
We know what Pelosi wants. We know her values, and we know she's good at her job. She's a professional; she isn't going to shit on Trump's Dinner on the floor, she'll do it in the kitchen.
Let's be honest, she's going to be called shrill and hysterical regardless of what she does. Standing up and undercutting progressive enthusiasm by promising to use her position to encourage bipartisanship instead of just... not saying that's what she would use it for is an unforced error.
I just hate seeing Democrats win and then immediately and with no provocation get back to being comfortable and thinking this time the Prisoner's Dilemma is going to work out for them when they vote Ally. This time, for sure!
But I'm not interested in getting kicked from the thread for being negative, so that's all I'll say on it.
Did McConnell talking about bipartisanship in 2014 and 2017 undercut conservative enthusiasm? Why are progressives so unique that generic statements of bipartisanship kill their enthusiasm but not that of conservatives?
Everyone knows McConnell is lying out his ass when he talks about bipartisanship, though
So is Pelosi!
I'll need to see evidence of that. Senate Majority Minority Leader keeps making "deals" with McConnell, who never fails to renege on it immediately after the period ends the sentence.
It's an important distinction.
I don't know what you're talking about! Stop putting words in my mouth!
The minority leader is in the minority and thus has no actual ability to do anything? Pelosi will now again be the 2nd most powerful person in the US Government. She ain't gotta compromise for shit because all roads lead through her gavel.
So Republicans won’t believe it, because they’re so obviously lying when they say it so why would it be any different when we do?
And Democrats SHOULDNT believe it because she totally has her fingers crossed behind her back.
So, yeah. Sounds like a very effective speech.
Outright admitting the obvious is considered very rude a lot of the time.
It is the same reason she didn't say, "We are going to get pretty much jack shit enacted legislation wise and all of our attempts at getting them to agree on some things where both parties nominally agree like with the opium epidemic and infrastructure will come to naught."
So, re: Tester (would have said something earlier, but am currently at Disneyland with my wife, so...yeah):
I'm not terribly surprised he won. Fagg dealt Rosendale a mortal blow in the primary with the Maryland Matt moniker, which the Democrats ran with, along with hammering him on healthcare (turns out, being an insurance commissioner who supported insurers over the insured isn't going to win you friends.) Meanwhile, the GOP position went from "hey, Trump likes Rosendale" to "fuck the Democrats, it doesn't matter who our candidate is." I'm not joking - the last few weeks, there weren't any pro-Rosendale ads, just anti-Tester ones.
I think that, by and large, people don't elect politicans to make dramatic gestures, they elect them to make things better. Very few people voted yesterday so their rep could go to Washington and be obstructionist, even though that is basically what's going to happen.
The best thing dems can do right now is figure out what their voters want, craft legislation that gives it to them, pass it in the house, then make a big stink when it crashes and burns in the Senate. The narrative needs to be "dems are trying to work with pubs, but they're being shitbirds."
Pelosi 's statement is consistent with that.
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There are reports now that the digital voting machines at 7 Broward County locations completely failed to transmit data and their results are being manually delivered to Tallahassee via thumb drives.
Broward county is a very dense, very blue area north of Miami (holding Ft. Lauderdale and a number of other cities).
Wow that could give a ton of votes potentially to the dems
The chads are not going to hang themselves haha. I hope they can get their voting stuff sorted out I am curious how many broward votes this effects because that could be pretty big for the dem candidates.
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minor incidentyou can't swim whenyou've been dead a hundred yearsRegistered User, Transition Teamregular
To help with a little of the Doom and gloom (and because I'm proud of my state), here's a good infographic on what this election did to NJ's House seats.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
Well, I'm not sure how I feel. On the upside we won the house federally, and the governor's office here in Cali, but all of my candidates I was following lost.
If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"
Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
I think that, by and large, people don't elect politicans to make dramatic gestures, they elect them to make things better. Very few people voted yesterday so their rep could go to Washington and be obstructionist, even though that is basically what's going to happen.
The best thing dems can do right now is figure out what their voters want, craft legislation that gives it to them, pass it in the house, then make a big stink when it crashes and burns in the Senate. The narrative needs to be "dems are trying to work with pubs, but they're being shitbirds."
Pelosi 's statement is consistent with that.
That didn't work out very well last time Democrats tried it (see 2010 onward).
Party leadership isn't capable of figuring out what their voters want as long as they're willing to subvert those wants when they conflict with the aims of the donor class. Hell, Pelosi just cited her ability to raise money as the reason she should be speaker again.
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I live just north of Diehl's hometown which made me more worried. It was within 5% in my town, and Diehl won some of the suburbs to our south. It was still the closest statewide (all of were up) or federal race in the state.
I keep hearing this as some sort of maxim that mostly derives from the right's need for someone to use as a whipping boy but I'll be damned if I could actually tell you her personal position on anything.
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From what I can see Democrats had two areas of strength:
1) Suburban areas
2) Soybean farms
...what?
The soybean farmers, among others, who are getting rather turbofucked because of Trump's stupid trade war with other countries. Prices are going down and supply is going up, and they're barely going to make a profit this year because of that.
Ah, gotcha
Yeah that hasn't actually hit yet, or at least not badly enough to make most of them realize their boy Trump turbofucked them for no reason.
From what I can see Democrats had two areas of strength:
1) Suburban areas
2) Soybean farms
...what?
The soybean farmers, among others, who are getting rather turbofucked because of Trump's stupid trade war with other countries. Prices are going down and supply is going up, and they're barely going to make a profit this year because of that.
Ah, gotcha
Yeah that hasn't actually hit yet, or at least not badly enough to make most of them realize their boy Trump turbofucked them for no reason.
Most of the articles I've read have them aware of it, but still trump supporters hoping he'll change course. There are other industries that are in this line of fire that haven't gotten it as bad but will be soon if things stay the way they are.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I caught myself wondering if Trump was going to tone down the trade wars now that he'll be battling on both foreign and domestic fronts. That was silly of me.
I keep hearing this as some sort of maxim that mostly derives from the right's need for someone to use as a whipping boy but I'll be damned if I could actually tell you her personal position on anything.
She's pretty left on most stuff but as the pragmatic leader of a biiiiiiiig tent ideologically she doesn't often show it.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
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AstaerethIn the belly of the beastRegistered Userregular
People seem to be reading Pelosi's statements as meaning she won't do any investigations into GOP wrongdoing which is not at all what I got from her speech.
Pelosi is the best legislator of her generation (otherwise, maybe Waxman), and the best Speaker we've seen in two. I'mma go out on a limb and guess that she might know what she's doing.
Hyperbole! I'm not sure she would compare all that favorably in comparison with either Gingritch or Tip O'Neill. There are other problems as well but we'll need a new thread to go into them I think.
"Best" or "effective" I suppose is the question... Gingrich would get no prizes for overall behaviour and his complicity in causing government shutdowns, destruction of norms etc are broadly regarded as extremely corrosive and Not Good by most political scientists
I think one could regard Gingrich as very effect if one viewed his job as destroying the american republic. It's basically him and McConnell competing for the title.
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AstaerethIn the belly of the beastRegistered Userregular
Dems got more votes for the House in North Carolina by about 100k, lose 9 of 12 seats.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
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Because our news media is fucking awful, and expects Proper Decourm.
It's not for us. It's for the large chunk of the US who still thinks bipartisan is a good in and of itself.
This way she can do shit like pass ACA expansion and DACA protection and go "Well the Republicans Refused to Compromise"
Pelosi ain't Schumer.
The minority leader is in the minority and thus has no actual ability to do anything? Pelosi will now again be the 2nd most powerful person in the US Government. She ain't gotta compromise for shit because all roads lead through her gavel.
Outright admitting the obvious is considered very rude a lot of the time.
It is the same reason she didn't say, "We are going to get pretty much jack shit enacted legislation wise and all of our attempts at getting them to agree on some things where both parties nominally agree like with the opium epidemic and infrastructure will come to naught."
I feel like they could have done that anyway.
I'm not terribly surprised he won. Fagg dealt Rosendale a mortal blow in the primary with the Maryland Matt moniker, which the Democrats ran with, along with hammering him on healthcare (turns out, being an insurance commissioner who supported insurers over the insured isn't going to win you friends.) Meanwhile, the GOP position went from "hey, Trump likes Rosendale" to "fuck the Democrats, it doesn't matter who our candidate is." I'm not joking - the last few weeks, there weren't any pro-Rosendale ads, just anti-Tester ones.
The best thing dems can do right now is figure out what their voters want, craft legislation that gives it to them, pass it in the house, then make a big stink when it crashes and burns in the Senate. The narrative needs to be "dems are trying to work with pubs, but they're being shitbirds."
Pelosi 's statement is consistent with that.
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Like the 111th Congress. We didn't do anything there.
Wow that could give a ton of votes potentially to the dems
The chads are not going to hang themselves haha. I hope they can get their voting stuff sorted out I am curious how many broward votes this effects because that could be pretty big for the dem candidates.
I was desperately mousing over this hoping there was an actual link. :sad:
We have allotta making up to do for Arpio, we need to put Sinema in office!
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That didn't work out very well last time Democrats tried it (see 2010 onward).
Party leadership isn't capable of figuring out what their voters want as long as they're willing to subvert those wants when they conflict with the aims of the donor class. Hell, Pelosi just cited her ability to raise money as the reason she should be speaker again.
Most of the challengers are to her right.
So is most of the electorate
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Correction Keating only won by 20
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I keep hearing this as some sort of maxim that mostly derives from the right's need for someone to use as a whipping boy but I'll be damned if I could actually tell you her personal position on anything.
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Ah, gotcha
Yeah that hasn't actually hit yet, or at least not badly enough to make most of them realize their boy Trump turbofucked them for no reason.
This I don't think os accurate TBH.
Most of the articles I've read have them aware of it, but still trump supporters hoping he'll change course. There are other industries that are in this line of fire that haven't gotten it as bad but will be soon if things stay the way they are.
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She's pretty left on most stuff but as the pragmatic leader of a biiiiiiiig tent ideologically she doesn't often show it.
I thought there was no national popular vote?
I think one could regard Gingrich as very effect if one viewed his job as destroying the american republic. It's basically him and McConnell competing for the title.
Harris is a journalist at Vulture and other places
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/upshot/2018-midterms-blue-wave-democrats.html
Edit: I fixed the picture because the NYT sucks at letting me copy graphics.
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How do I read this?