H&R + NSFW

aeolistaeolist Registered User
I searched for threads about this and couldn't find anything. If there'e already been a discussion on this, please redirect me and lock this.

After a couple months on hiatus from the SE++ anime thread I returned tonight in a fit of boredom and started posting random pics. When I posted something NSFW (not labeled, as I forgot) Dely Apple immediately edited it out of my post and reprimanded me. I was then informed by Dely and several others that NSFW material is now completely banned from H&R, even if it's linked and labeled.

I checked the rules thread, which says nothing of the sort. There is a ban on Ranger threads and a rule stating that NSFW material must be linked and labeled, but I am assured by everyone else in the anime thread that Duck and other mods have made it clear that NSFW images are entirely verboten.

And so I ask, what the fuck?

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  • Dely AppleDely Apple Registered User regular
    edited October 2004
    It's a 13+ forum, not a 18+ one.

    So when you didn't label or link your NSFW post... and then admit that you knew you should have... then get fussy about it... my brain hurts.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    = In da butt

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited October 2004
    I keep checking the ban announcement thread for stuff like

    Paladin

    Banned for being a dickhead

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    Dely Apple wrote:
    It's a 13+ forum, not a 18+ one.

    So when you didn't label or link your NSFW post... and then admit that you knew you should have... then get fussy about it... my brain hurts.

    Thirteen year olds going to work? Slave labour! What will the unions say?

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    Dely Apple wrote:
    It's a 13+ forum, not a 18+ one.

    So when you didn't label or link your NSFW post... and then admit that you knew you should have... then get fussy about it... my brain hurts.

    Thirteen year olds going to work? Slave labour! What will the unions say?

    NSFW is a label that covers material innappropriate for adults to view at work, and incidentally covers material inappropriate for 13 year olds to be viewing at home. Nice attempt at humor, though. Really. The levity is such a BREAK from the constant dirge that is browsing these forums.

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    I thought Pix's comment was pretty good =)

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    I thought Pix's comment was pretty good =)

    It actually is pretty funny. I just wanted to work in my last sentence there.

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited October 2004
    Pheezer wrote:
    I thought Pix's comment was pretty good =)

    It actually is pretty funny. I just wanted to work in my last sentence there.
    Yeah. Yeah.

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  • ToastToast Registered User
    edited October 2004
    To be fair to aeolist, he's not complaining that he was reprimanded for not labelling it, he's asking about the apparently official "no NSFW at all" policy which doesn't seem to feature in the rules anywhere (and in fact seems to be ruled out by the rules).

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  • bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    Just out of curiosity, why didn't you start this in META?

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    Pheezer wrote:
    I thought Pix's comment was pretty good =)

    It actually is pretty funny. I just wanted to work in my last sentence there.

    Now PixelSumorai is the popular one!

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  • crosspunishercrosspunisher Registered User, ClubPA
    edited October 2004
    bone daddy wrote:
    Just out of curiosity, why didn't you start this in META?
    Now why in the hell would you want to put this topic in the appropriate forum?

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA
    edited October 2004
    The last thing I care about is what parents thing about what goes on here.

    What is important is what Gabe and Tycho (and their lawyers) think. While we've had some debate about it on the On Topic side, we've never come anywhere near an outright prohibition on the material, indeed if anything we've been leaning in the other direction (which I, and my fellow non-American mods, have been thankful for).

    I understand their may be some issues with the US legal system in terms of what we do, though - seeing as we are hosted in the US and the site we are attached to does business in the US. Someone should get that straight, and then we need to have a consistent forum-wide policy.

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited October 2004
    I remember way back in 11th grade my teacher showed one of the Romeo and Juliet movies while we were doing our Shakespeare section. Now during this movie a tittie comes up on the screen, but, you know, that happens every now and then in those kind of movies. Does that mean that the teacher had free reign to hand out Playboys and copies of Jugs and whatnot? No!

    You see, sometimes a nsfw image will come up in the context of the conversation and be appropriate to link to/post. Does that mean you can link to any tawdry slut who puts on a thong? No.

    EDIT - And if anyone takes this to mean that as long as the context of the conversation is "Post hot sluts in thongs" it's okay to post nsfw images then you're going to be banned for as long as it entertains me.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    A duck! wrote:
    EDIT - And if anyone takes this to mean that as long as the context of the conversation is "Post hot sluts in thongs" it's okay to post nsfw images then you're going to be banned for as long as it entertains me.

    How much entertainment can you get from someone not being around?

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited October 2004
    A duck! wrote:
    EDIT - And if anyone takes this to mean that as long as the context of the conversation is "Post hot sluts in thongs" it's okay to post nsfw images then you're going to be banned for as long as it entertains me.

    How much entertainment can you get from someone not being around?

    Lots. Lots and lots and lots and lots.

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  • StarfuckStarfuck Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    so, is he just exaggerating about the no NSFW stuff at all labeled or not?
    because it sounds like he's exaggerating, but then again dely is a nazi mod, evil dely, evil.

    and i'm not talking about giant cocks and big titties or anything, you know, just stuff nsfw

    i have my christina aguilera gif to think about

    and why can't this be moved to meta, or is moving threads across forums a pain in the ass? out of my own curiousity

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    I ate a nazi mushroom the other day.


    I mean, it wasn't like it massacred Jews or had extreme right wing political views or was part of an unsuccessful attempt to conquer Europe whilst developing a race of superhumans, I just didn't enjoy it that much.

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  • bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    apotheos wrote:
    we need to have a consistent forum-wide policy.

    The whole reason the two were split is so that there does not have to be a forum-wide policy. We now have--and have always had--is a tolerance line which we cannot go below. If a forum wants to set restrictions more severe than that line, that can be done at their discretion. If they want to set their limits at that line, that's fine too. That's the whole reason there are two boards now.

    If one side (like chat) feels the need to say, "That's it, you fucking hyenas, I am sick of you retards thinking you can post goatse all day long and get away with it. No more NSFW material, period, on pain of banning, until I say otherwise." they can do that without interfering with people posting various links over here. If one side (like on-topic) wants to say "There's never an appropriate time to discuss asses, therefore links to pics of asses will never be on topic, and will be treated with extreme prejudice." we can do so without affecting the chat-side's desire to discuss which current celebrity has the hottest ass.

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  • aeolistaeolist Registered User
    edited October 2004
    Dely Apple wrote:
    It's a 13+ forum, not a 18+ one.

    So when you didn't label or link your NSFW post... and then admit that you knew you should have... then get fussy about it... my brain hurts.

    Like they said, it was totally right for you to tell me off, and a fault on my part that I didn't link and label it. I'm not complaining about that.

    I'm wondering about the comprehensive "no NSFW stuff at all" policy which is apparently A) being created and enforced entirely by the mods, and B) not in the official rules.

    And I wasn't aware there was another forum this should have gone in. Like I said, I haven't been to the Chat side of the forums for a while, so I was unaware. My apologies. If anyone wants to move this, feel free.

    Edit: And to clarify, I haven't actually heard this policy come from any of the H&R mods other than Dely, who confirmed that there is apprently supposed to be no NSFW material at all in H&R. The rest of the info I got came from the regulars in the Anime thread, who claimed Duck put a total ban on the stuff. So this is all really hearsay, but since Dely confirmed it I thought I'd get it out in the open and see what the policy actually is.

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  • OrthancOrthanc Death Lite, Only 1 Calorie Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    A duck! wrote:
    I remember way back in 11th grade my teacher showed one of the Romeo and Juliet movies while we were doing our Shakespeare section. Now during this movie a tittie comes up on the screen, but, you know, that happens every now and then in those kind of movies. Does that mean that the teacher had free reign to hand out Playboys and copies of Jugs and whatnot? No!

    You see, sometimes a nsfw image will come up in the context of the conversation and be appropriate to link to/post. Does that mean you can link to any tawdry slut who puts on a thong? No.

    EDIT - And if anyone takes this to mean that as long as the context of the conversation is "Post hot sluts in thongs" it's okay to post nsfw images then you're going to be banned for as long as it entertains me.

    So We're allowed to post the Playboy Productions Macbeth?

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  • bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    aeolist wrote:
    And I wasn't aware there was another forum this should have gone in. Like I said, I haven't been to the Chat side of the forums for a while, so I was unaware. My apologies. If anyone wants to move this, feel free.

    If you're asking about chat rules or chat policy, you should ask it in the chat administration forum.

    Much like if you're asking about a chat-side ban, you should be talking to a chat-mod or an admin, not making a thread in the MD.

    This has been true since about the first week the split happened.

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  • aeolistaeolist Registered User
    edited October 2004
    bone daddy wrote:
    aeolist wrote:
    And I wasn't aware there was another forum this should have gone in. Like I said, I haven't been to the Chat side of the forums for a while, so I was unaware. My apologies. If anyone wants to move this, feel free.

    If you're asking about chat rules or chat policy, you should ask it in the chat administration forum.

    Much like if you're asking about a chat-side ban, you should be talking to a chat-mod or an admin, not making a thread in the MD.

    This has been true since about the first week the split happened.

    Thanks for the info. I haven't been to the chat side since right after the split, so I wasn't clear on that, but from now on I know what to do.

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  • bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    aeolist wrote:
    Thanks for the info. I haven't been to the chat side since right after the split, so I wasn't clear on that, but from now on I know what to do.

    Find the appropriate target and badger, badger, badger?

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  • Dely AppleDely Apple Registered User regular
    edited October 2004
    Orthanc wrote:
    A duck! wrote:
    I remember way back in 11th grade my teacher showed one of the Romeo and Juliet movies while we were doing our Shakespeare section. Now during this movie a tittie comes up on the screen, but, you know, that happens every now and then in those kind of movies. Does that mean that the teacher had free reign to hand out Playboys and copies of Jugs and whatnot? No!

    You see, sometimes a nsfw image will come up in the context of the conversation and be appropriate to link to/post. Does that mean you can link to any tawdry slut who puts on a thong? No.

    EDIT - And if anyone takes this to mean that as long as the context of the conversation is "Post hot sluts in thongs" it's okay to post nsfw images then you're going to be banned for as long as it entertains me.

    So We're allowed to post the Playboy Productions Macbeth?

    Hey, I just watched that. Hot witch action!

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited October 2004
    Dely Apple wrote:
    Orthanc wrote:
    A duck! wrote:
    I remember way back in 11th grade my teacher showed one of the Romeo and Juliet movies while we were doing our Shakespeare section. Now during this movie a tittie comes up on the screen, but, you know, that happens every now and then in those kind of movies. Does that mean that the teacher had free reign to hand out Playboys and copies of Jugs and whatnot? No!

    You see, sometimes a nsfw image will come up in the context of the conversation and be appropriate to link to/post. Does that mean you can link to any tawdry slut who puts on a thong? No.

    EDIT - And if anyone takes this to mean that as long as the context of the conversation is "Post hot sluts in thongs" it's okay to post nsfw images then you're going to be banned for as long as it entertains me.

    So We're allowed to post the Playboy Productions Macbeth?

    Hey, I just watched that. Hot witch action!

    Build a bridge out o' her!

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  • Monkey_ManMonkey_Man Registered User
    edited October 2004
    What exactly was it that he posted?

    PM plz kthxbai

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  • futilityfutility Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    can there maybe be an 18+ forum?

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  • MrFisticuffsMrFisticuffs Registered User
    edited October 2004
    futility wrote:
    can there maybe be an 18+ forum?

    Didn't we try that once? As I recall, it was an unmitigated disaster.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver A Lannister Always Pays His Debts Hear Me RoarRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    Can you get your porn and smut elsewhere?

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  • Monkey_ManMonkey_Man Registered User
    edited October 2004
    futility wrote:
    can there maybe be an 18+ forum?

    Didn't we try that once? As I recall, it was an unmitigated disaster.
    Social Devastation, which was in a few days "omg post your peen!" forum.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    Can you get your porn and smut elsewhere?

    wait- are you saying there're other sites on the internet?

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  • ÄlphämönkëyÄlphämönkëy Registered User regular
    edited October 2004
    I've gotten a few PMs, and so I'll just say it publicly. I'm really not qualified at all to comment on this. Deni really knows H&R better than I do.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited October 2004
    By the way, why can't META be a sticky thread inside H&R that is actually a sub-forum? Is that too hard to code, or do you have it on the New Year Agenda?

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  • Red Machine DRed Machine D __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2004
    I've gotten a few PMs, and so I'll just say it publicly. I'm really not qualified at all to comment on this. Deni really knows H&R better than I do.
    CT banned you too, huh?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver A Lannister Always Pays His Debts Hear Me RoarRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2004
    Pheezer wrote:
    Can you get your porn and smut elsewhere?

    wait- are you saying there're other sites on the internet?

    One time only, the top site for linking to porn.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited October 2004
    http://www.soosed.com/lj

    WHERE EVEN GOOGLE FEARS TO TREAD

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  • Monkey_ManMonkey_Man Registered User
    edited October 2004
    Paladin wrote:
    http://www.soosed.com/lj

    WHERE EVEN GOOGLE FEARS TO TREAD
    Goth chicks, emo chicks, personality quiz results.

    oooooh, ahhhhh

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited October 2004
    Two things:
    1) There is far too much off-topic banter in this forum. I'm going to crack down on it because honestly, it's not necessary. If you want to comment in an appropriate manner, please do. I appreciate your input. If you want to make a joke, there are several forums in which it will be well-received and you should do it there.

    2) There is no official NSFW policy as I am of two minds about the whole thing. One part of me says that the majority of sites on the internet have some kind of sexual aspect and it's nice to have on place that doesn't. Another part of me says denying our sexuality is false. So I tend to let the mods act at their discretion.

    H&R, if given the opportunity would, I have no doubt, dissolve into OMG BOOBS if given the opportunity. If you want me to make an official policy you won't like it. I honestly don't see the need to have naked or semi-naked people on this board. That's just me. Other people seem to think this concept is draconian at worse and puritanical at best. So I will go with Duck's definition and leave it at that.

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited October 2004
    I also think that this needs to be quoted for clarity.
    The Monkey Den mostly serves the purpose of a place to post bug-reports or feature-requests. It also will be used by me to post announcements or questions that effect the entire forum. A frequent complaint has been that people don't know when somebody was banned, so the mods and I will keep a log of who was banned here in this forum.

    While we don't mind some off-topic posting in the threads in here from time-to-time, you will know it is getting excessive when we start deleting posts or locking topics.

    This is not the appropriate place to voice concerns about being banned or jailed, or any other personal gripes about the moderation. For something like that, you should PM or email one of us.

    If you want to make a topic of general concern regarding the community, the forums, the mods or the admins, feel free. Just try to keep it focused and if you think there is a problem but you don't have any kind of reasonable solution, well then you're probably better off keeping it to yourself.

    Because this forum has our names on it, we will make an effort to read every topic and post in here. But we make no promise that we will do so. If you want to be sure we read something you wrote, then send one of us a PM.

    Thanks!
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