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[Mueller Investigation] Where there's smock, there's liar.

ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
edited December 10 in Debate and/or Discourse
In an effort to determine the possibility and extent that our President of these United States and his administration/campaign staff colluded with a foreign power (because he is compromises by them or wanted damaging information on a political opponent, or some combination of these, or possibly for more reasons that have not been determined yet), special counsel Robert Mueller was appointed to lead an investigation with broad authority to determine what is relevant and related criminal activity.

For those of you who make your homes in some sort of karst system and have never before heard that this is happening (or if you're like me and just like to see events organized neatly), here is a timeline with credit to the Washington Post. I have taken the liberty of interjecting some related events that the timeline has not been updated with thus far (if you see -J, that means it is something I added to the timeline personally):

2013
January 2013
Energy industry consultant Carter Page meets a man named Victor Podobnyy at a conference in New York and begins sharing with him “basic immaterial information and publicly available research documents” (in Page’s words). Podobnyy was an officer with Russia’s foreign intelligence service and is later charged with being an agent of the Russian government.

June 2013
The FBI interviews Page after Podobnyy is recorded by U.S. intelligence officials identifying Page as a possible target for recruitment. “It’s obvious that he wants to earn lots of money,” Podobnyy says of Page.

Aug. 25, 2013
In a letter sent to a publisher making the case for his expertise on Russia, Page writes, “Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda.”

Sept. 4, 2013
James B. Comey becomes director of the FBI, succeeding Robert S. Mueller III.

Nov. 9, 2013
The Miss Universe pageant, at this point part of the Trump Organization, is held in Moscow. The event’s location was secured thanks to licensing fees of nearly $20 million paid by a Moscow real estate development firm called the Crocus Group. Its president is a man named Aras Agalarov. Agalarov’s son, Emin, is a vice president of Crocus Group and a pop singer.

2015
April 2015
Former Defense Intelligence Agency head Michael Flynn begins advising ACU Strategic Partners, a company that seeks to build nuclear power plants in the Middle East in partnership with a sanctioned Russian company.

June 16, 2015
Donald Trump announces his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination.

July 24, 2015
Rob Goldstone, publicist for Emin Agalarov, emails Trump’s assistant to offer to set up a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. There’s no indication the Trump team explored the offer.

Summer 2015
Hackers believed to be linked to the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) gain access to the network of the Democratic National Committee, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.

September 2015
An associate of Trump’s named Felix Sater reaches out to the Trump Organization about a proposed development project in Moscow. It is to be financed by Russia’s government-owned bank Vnesheconombank, which was being sanctioned by the U.S. government. Trump at some point signs a letter of intent to move forward with the project.

Autumn 2015
The conservative website the Washington Free Beacon hires a firm called Fusion GPS to conduct research on several Republican presidential candidates, including Trump.

Nov. 3, 2015
Sater emails Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen to outline his idea of having a Moscow ribbon cutting that Putin would attend. “I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” Sater writes.

Dec. 10, 2015
Flynn is part of a panel discussion in Moscow for the 10th anniversary of the government-backed media outlet Russia Today, for which he is paid. Officials notice an increase in communication between Flynn and the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, following the Russia Today event.

Late 2015
British intelligence agencies detect suspicious interactions between Russia and Trump aides that they pass on to U.S. intelligence agencies.

2016
Mid-January 2016
Cohen emails Putin’s personal spokesman seeking help in advancing the proposed development in Moscow. “As this project is too important, I am hereby requesting your assistance. I respectfully request someone, preferably you, contact me so that I might discuss the specifics as well as arranging meetings with the appropriate individuals. I thank you in advance for your assistance and look forward to hearing from you soon,” he writes.

Jan. 29, 2016
Goldstone emails Donald Trump Jr. to pitch the Trump team on setting up a page on Russian social media site Vkontakte. Trump Jr. passes it on to Dan Scavino, the person in charge of Trump’s social media. “Please feel free to send me whatever you have,” Scavino replies. Konstantin Sidorkov, director of partnership marketing for Vkontakte, follows up a few days later. “Nice to meet you and your team,” he writes in an email to Scavino, Trump Jr. and Trump’s assistant.

Late January 2016
The Moscow development is abandoned.

Feb. 1, 2016
Republican primary voting begins in Iowa.

March 6, 2016
George Papadopoulos is named a foreign-policy adviser by the campaign.

March 14, 2016
Papadopoulos meets in Italy with a London-based professor named Joseph Mifsud, director of the London Academy of Diplomacy. Until he learns that Papadopoulos is tied to the Trump campaign, Mifsud is uninterested in talking.

March 19, 2016
Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta is sent an email that encourages him to change his email password, probably precipitating the hack of his account.

March 21, 2016
During an interview with The Washington Post, Trump lists Page as part of his foreign-policy team. Page had been recommended by a son-in-law of President Richard Nixon, New York Republican Party Chairman Ed Cox. Trump also mentions Papadopoulos.

March 28, 2016
Political veteran Paul Manafort is hired to help the Trump campaign manage the delegate process for the Republican National Convention. He is recommended by Trump confidant Roger Stone. Before joining the campaign, Manafort lobbied on behalf of Oleg Deripaska, a Putin ally. That business relationship followed a memo from Manafort in which he offered a plan that could “greatly benefit the Putin Government.” His relationship with Deripaska ended in 2009. Manafort also worked on behalf of the Russia-friendly Party of Regions in Ukraine, helping guide the party’s leader, Viktor Yanukovych, to the country’s presidency. Yanukovych was later ousted.

March 31, 2016
Trump’s foreign-policy team meets. Included in the meeting are Papadopoulos, Trump and then-Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions (R). Papadopoulos says he can facilitate a meeting between Trump and Putin based on his interactions with Mifsud, the professor. Sessions says it shouldn’t happen.

April 2016
Hackers believed to be linked to Russia’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) also gain access to the DNC network.

The same month, Fusion GPS is hired by the law firm Perkins Coie on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

April 11, 2016
Manafort emails longtime aide Konstantin Kilimnik (who himself may have ties to Russian intelligence) to ensure the oligarch Deripaska’s “operation” has seen his media coverage, presumably about the Trump campaign. “How do we use to get whole?” he asks.

April 18, 2016
Papadopoulos is introduced via email to someone who has contacts at Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Papadopoulos and the contact begin communicating regularly to try to set up a meeting between Trump and Putin.

April 26, 2016
Papadopoulos is told by Mifsud that the Russians have “dirt” on Clinton. “They have thousands of emails,” he is told.

April 27, 2016
Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, meets Kislyak at a reception at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington before a foreign-policy speech given by Trump. Sessions may have spoken with Kislyak, as well.

The same day, Papadopoulos emails senior campaign adviser Stephen Miller to say he had “some interesting messages coming in from Moscow about a trip when the time is right.”

May 2016
During a night of drinking in London, Papadopoulos tells Australian High Commissioner to Great Britain Alexander Downer that he is aware that Russia has dirt on Clinton.

During this month, two different people who support Trump email the campaign to set up a meeting between a Trump staffer and a Russian official named Alexander Torshin. The emails, sent to adviser Rick Dearborn, are titled “Kremlin Connection” and “Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite.” Kushner rejects the latter overture.

May 20 or 21, 2016
Torshin and Trump Jr. meet at a dinner related to the National Rifle Association convention in Louisville.

May 26, 2016
Trump clinches the Republican nomination on paper.
During the general election


June 2016
At a closed-door meeting of foreign-policy experts and the prime minister of India, Page praises Putin effusively.

June 3, 2016
Goldstone emails Trump Jr.:

“The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with [Emin Agalarov’s] father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” Goldstone wrote. “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and it’s government’s support for Mr. Trump — helped along by Aras and Emin.”

“Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer,” Trump Jr. replied.

June 6, 2016
Goldstone appears to connect Emin Agalarov and Trump Jr. by phone.

June 7, 2016
Goldstone and Trump Jr. finalize “a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney.”

Trump formally clinches the nomination later in the day. During a speech that evening, Trump says he is “going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week, and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.”

June 9, 2016
Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner meet at Trump Tower with a Kremlin-connected attorney named Natalia Veselnitskaya. Veselnitskaya’s efforts to reverse a law passed in 2012 sanctioning Russians suspected of human rights violations at some point drew the attention of the FBI. The meeting was not initially reported to the government by Kushner as required when he took a position with the administration. After the meeting was originally reported, Trump, Jr. admitted that the pretext for the conversation was that he believed Veselnitskaya to have information incriminating Hillary Clinton.

The meeting also included a lobbyist named Rinat Akhmetshin, who also has links to Russian intelligence.

June 12, 2016
In an interview with ITV, WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange says the organization has more emails from Hillary Clinton.

June 13, 2016
Instead of his promised speech about the Clintons, Trump talks about national security in the wake of the shooting massacre in Orlando

June 15, 2016
A hacker calling himself Guccifer 2.0 releases the Democratic National Committee’s research file on Donald Trump. News reports already link the stolen data to Russian hackers.

June 20, 2016
Former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, working for Fusion GPS, compiles the first of 17 reports that will become part of a dossier of information alleging contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian actors. The first report cites conversations suggesting that Russia actively sought to compromise Trump beginning in 2011 and that the Russians had compromising information on Trump and Clinton.

June 29, 2016
Goldstone reaches out to Scavino again about Vkontakte.

“I’m following up on an email [from] a while back of something I had mentioned to Don and Paul Manafort during a meeting recently,” he wrote in an email, cc-ing Sidorkov. “At the time, Paul had said he would welcome it …”

June 30, 2016
Page tells Sessions he plans to travel to Moscow to give a speech. He later indicates the campaign approved his travel as long as he made clear he wasn’t representing the campaign.

July 2016
At some point this month, the FBI begins investigating possible links between the Russian government and Trump’s campaign. The investigation is triggered when Australian authorities contact the agency — realizing that Papadopoulos‘s May mention of Russian dirt to Downer, the diplomat, was validated by the release of stolen data.

Early in July, Fusion GPS’s Steele contacts the FBI to inform them about what he’s heard concerning Trump. (Steele had been a source for the FBI in the past.)

July 7, 2016
Page travels to Moscow to give a lecture.

The same day, Manafort contacts Kilimnik again to invite Deripaska to get a private briefing on the campaign.

July 8, 2016
Page sends a memo to campaign staff with an overview of his travel. It reads, in part, “Russian Deputy Prime Minister and [New Economic School] Board Member Arkadiy Dvorkovich also spoke before the event. In a private conversation, Dvorkovich expressed strong support for Mr. Trump and a desire to work together toward devising better solutions in response to the vast range of current international problems.”

July 11 or 12, 2016
Trump campaign staffers apparently intervene with the committee developing the Republican Party’s national security platform to remove language calling for arming Ukraine against Russian aggression.

July 18, 2016
At an event hosted by the Heritage Foundation as part of the Republican National Convention, Sessions and Kislyak have a brief conversation.

Flynn delivers a speech at the Republican convention, joining in the crowd’s “lock her up” chant, cheering Clinton’s imprisonment. “If I, a guy who knows this business, if I did a tenth of what she did,” Flynn said, “I would be in jail today.”

July 19, 2016
Steele files a report in which he alleges that Page‘s trip to Moscow included meetings with the chief executive of the energy firm Rosneft and Kremlin official Igor Diveykin, the latter of whom mentioned the possession of compromising material on Clinton.

July 22, 2016
WikiLeaks releases emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee. The Democratic convention begins on the 25th.

July 27, 2016
During his last news conference of the campaign, Trump asks Russia to release emails hacked from Clinton’s private server. He later says he was joking.

Aug. 9, 2016
Flynn Intel Group, a consulting firm founded by Flynn, signs a contract with Inovo BV, a firm run by a Turkish businessman close to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, for more than $500,000.

Aug. 14, 2016
The New York Times reports on secret ledgers from the Party of Regions showing off-the-books payments to Manafort‘s consulting firm. Those payments allegedly were hidden by being passed them through third parties, according to Ukrainian leaders.

Aug. 19, 2016
Manafort is fired from the campaign. He’d reportedly lost the confidence of Trump’s family, including Kushner.

Aug. 21, 2016
Stone tweets, “Trust me, it will soon [be] Podesta’s time in the barrel.”

Aug. 23, 2016
Stone communicates with Guccifer 2.0 privately over Twitter.

September 2016
At some point in September, congressional leaders are briefed about the CIA’s belief that Russia was intervening in the election to benefit Trump.

Sept. 8, 2016
Sessions and Kislyak meet in Sessions‘s Senate office.

September 9, 2016 -J
James Woolsey pitches a $10 million contract to two Turkish businessmen to discredit a US-based cleric to have him deported back to Turkey.

Sept. 20, 2016
WikiLeaks messages Trump Jr. privately over Twitter, pointing to a new site linking Putin to Trump. The next day, Trump Jr. responds to say he’ll “ask around” about it. Trump Jr. then emailed senior campaign staff about the message. “Do you know the people mentioned,” he wrote, apparently referring to those behind the Putin-Trump site, “and what the conspiracy they are looking for could be?”

Sept. 23, 2016
Yahoo News, apparently after interviews with Steele, reports that Page may have met with officials from Rosneft and the Kremlin.

Sept. 26, 2016
In an interview with The Post, Page separates publicly from the Trump campaign.

Early October 2016
Steele again meets with the FBI, this time in Rome, to discuss what he’s heard in his research.

Oct. 2, 2016
Stone tweets about upcoming WikiLeaks revelations: “Wednesday [Oct. 5] @Hillary Clinton is done. #Wikileaks.”

Oct. 3, 2016
WikiLeaks again contacts Trump Jr. This time, WikiLeaks asks him to have the campaign offer a response to a quote from Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr. replies that he already had. Shortly afterward, he asks about the new information apparently referenced by Stone, but he gets no response.

Oct. 7, 2016
The director of national intelligence and the head of the Department of Homeland Security release an unusual joint statement in which they warn of Russian efforts to meddle in the election and suggest that Russia had a hand in the WikiLeaks document releases.

Shortly after the publication of a 2005 “Access Hollywood” video in which Trump discusses sexually assaulting women, WikiLeaks releases the first emails from Podesta’s email account. The leaks continue for weeks.

Oct. 11, 2016
Trump Jr. travels to Paris to give a paid speech to a group that supports Russian interests. After his speech, one of the hosts travels to Moscow, where she discusses the speech with a senior Russian official.

Oct. 12, 2016
WikiLeaks again contacts Trump Jr. to share a link to file archives. Shortly afterward, the candidate tweets about the leaks.

Stone tells a reporter from a local news station in Florida that he has “back-channel communication with [WikiLeaks’ Julian] Assange,” although he’d never spoken to Assange directly. WikiLeaks later denies the assertion.

Oct. 14, 2016
Trump Jr. tweets the link he’d received two days earlier. In an interview with Fox News, Mike Pence denies any connection between the campaign and WikiLeaks.

Oct. 18, 2016
Steele files a report suggesting that Page‘s discussions with Rosneft in July included an exchange of a stake in the company for the lifting of sanctions against Russia.

Oct. 19, 2016
During the final presidential debate, Trump says Putin has no respect for his opponent, Hillary Clinton. She responds, “That’s because he’d rather have a puppet as president of the United States.”

“No puppet,” Trump replies. “You’re the puppet.”

Trump then argues that Clinton doesn’t know who’s behind the hacking, if it’s “Russia, China, or anybody else.”

Oct. 21, 2016
The FBI applies for and is granted a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to surveil Page, by this point no longer part of the Trump campaign.

Oct. 28, 2016
FBI Director Comey sends a letter to Congress announcing the discovery of new emails related to an investigation into Clinton’s use of a private server while she was secretary of state.

Oct. 30, 2016
Then-Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid sends a public letter to Comey alleging that the FBI “possess[ed] explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government.”

Oct. 31, 2016
The New York Times runs a story suggesting that the FBI didn’t see a clear link between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Hours later, Mother Jones reports on the existence of the Steele dossier. The FBI subsequently cuts off its relationship with Steele.

Nov. 5, 2016
Vkontakte again pitches setting up a page for Trump on the site, saying it would be “the top news in Russia.”

Nov. 8, 2016
An opinion piece supporting the Turkish government runs at the Hill under Flynn‘s byline.

Trump is elected president.
During the transition


Nov. 10, 2016
In his Oval Office meeting with Trump, Barack Obama warns the president-elect against hiring Flynn as national security adviser.

Nov. 18, 2016
Trump offers Flynn the job of national security adviser. Trump offers Sessions the job of attorney general. These are two of the first appointments Trump makes.

Late November 2016
Trump transition team members warn Flynn that his communications with Kislyak will be monitored by U.S. intelligence agencies. To impress upon Flynn the risks of cozying up to the Russian ambassador, the team requests a dossier on Kislyak to share with Flynn. It’s not known whether he ever read it.

Nov. 28, 2016
In an interview with Time magazine, Trump denies interference from Russia. “I don’t believe they interfered,” he said. “That became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point. Any time I do something, they say, ‘Oh, Russia interfered.’”

He also addressed the hacking: “It could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.”

Nov. 30, 2016
The Justice Department informs Flynn that he is under investigation for his unreported lobbying on behalf of Turkey.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    Maddie: "I named my feet. The left one is flip and the right one is flop. Oh, and also I named my flip-flops."

    I make tweet.
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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    It makes you smart.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Bugger bugger bugger

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-exploded-at-john-dowd-over-mueller-deutsche-bank-2018-9
    President Donald Trump exploded at his former lawyer, John Dowd, after reading news reports that said the special counsel Robert Mueller had subpoenaed records from Deutsche Bank, journalist Bob Woodward reported in his upcoming book, "Fear: Trump in the White House," which Business Insider obtained and reviewed.

    After learning of the news regarding Mueller and Deutsche Bank, a primary lender to the president, Woodward wrote that a furious Trump phoned Dowd at 7 a.m.

    "I know my relationships with Deutsche Bank," Trump told Dowd, with Woodward writing that the president said the bank loved him and was always paid for its loans. "I know what I borrowed, when I borrowed, when I paid it back. I know every godd--- one."

    Trump added that "this is bulls---!"

    Dowd then spoke with Jim Quarles, a member of Mueller's team who was also an assistant special prosecutor on the Watergate probe. Dowd repeated Trump's assertion that "this is bulls---."

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Yes Mister Trump, you know your relationships. Perhaps other people would like to know?

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    Who came up with the title? Because I like it muchly

    Oh brilliant
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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    I'm going to get my bug on like Obama tapping Trump's phones, Jeffe.
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Bugger bugger bugger

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-exploded-at-john-dowd-over-mueller-deutsche-bank-2018-9
    President Donald Trump exploded at his former lawyer, John Dowd, after reading news reports that said the special counsel Robert Mueller had subpoenaed records from Deutsche Bank, journalist Bob Woodward reported in his upcoming book, "Fear: Trump in the White House," which Business Insider obtained and reviewed.

    After learning of the news regarding Mueller and Deutsche Bank, a primary lender to the president, Woodward wrote that a furious Trump phoned Dowd at 7 a.m.

    "I know my relationships with Deutsche Bank," Trump told Dowd, with Woodward writing that the president said the bank loved him and was always paid for its loans. "I know what I borrowed, when I borrowed, when I paid it back. I know every godd--- one."

    Trump added that "this is bulls---!"

    Dowd then spoke with Jim Quarles, a member of Mueller's team who was also an assistant special prosecutor on the Watergate probe. Dowd repeated Trump's assertion that "this is bulls---."
    Soooo I'm guessing Trump thinks that him remembering things = those things aren't crimes.

    Centrism is just the cowardly way to be a bigot w/o being explicit about it.
    American politics isn't 4D chess, it's just if you give a shit about other people or not.
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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    I'm going to get my bug on like Obama tapping Trump's phones, Jeffe.
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Bugger bugger bugger

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-exploded-at-john-dowd-over-mueller-deutsche-bank-2018-9
    President Donald Trump exploded at his former lawyer, John Dowd, after reading news reports that said the special counsel Robert Mueller had subpoenaed records from Deutsche Bank, journalist Bob Woodward reported in his upcoming book, "Fear: Trump in the White House," which Business Insider obtained and reviewed.

    After learning of the news regarding Mueller and Deutsche Bank, a primary lender to the president, Woodward wrote that a furious Trump phoned Dowd at 7 a.m.

    "I know my relationships with Deutsche Bank," Trump told Dowd, with Woodward writing that the president said the bank loved him and was always paid for its loans. "I know what I borrowed, when I borrowed, when I paid it back. I know every godd--- one."

    Trump added that "this is bulls---!"

    Dowd then spoke with Jim Quarles, a member of Mueller's team who was also an assistant special prosecutor on the Watergate probe. Dowd repeated Trump's assertion that "this is bulls---."
    Soooo I'm guessing Trump thinks that him remembering things = those things aren't crimes.

    He'll probably tweet something about it, thereby crippling himself should he ever need to defend himself with 'I don't recall'.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Also odds are he is lying, guys. Come on.

    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
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  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    Also odds are he is lying, guys. Come on.

    Its not lying if you think you remember everything even when you dont.

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  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    edited September 11
    Also odds are he is lying, guys. Come on.

    I mean... Trump paying back loans? That doesn't really sound like a man who got blacklisted basically everywhere.

    Also, the bit where he 'remembers' exactly when all that happened. I'm not that confident in his mental faculties.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Registered User regular
    Also odds are he is lying, guys. Come on.

    I mean... Trump paying back loans? That doesn't really sound like a man who got blacklisted basically everywhere.

    Also, the bit where he 'remembers' exactly when all that happened. I'm not that confident in mental faculties.

    Reminder that according to more than one report, he was about to sign an order ending trade with South Korea when someone took it off his desk, at which point he immediately forgot that order ever existed.

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  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited September 11
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Also odds are he is lying, guys. Come on.

    I mean... Trump paying back loans? That doesn't really sound like a man who got blacklisted basically everywhere.

    Also, the bit where he 'remembers' exactly when all that happened. I'm not that confident in mental faculties.

    Reminder that according to more than one report, he was about to sign an order ending trade with South Korea when someone took it off his desk, at which point he immediately forgot that order ever existed.

    He has also had problems with walking out of signing ceremonies without signing whatever he was meant to sign.

    I think he might have lied when he said he had the greatest memory.

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited September 11
    Veevee wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Also odds are he is lying, guys. Come on.

    I mean... Trump paying back loans? That doesn't really sound like a man who got blacklisted basically everywhere.

    Also, the bit where he 'remembers' exactly when all that happened. I'm not that confident in mental faculties.

    Reminder that according to more than one report, he was about to sign an order ending trade with South Korea when someone took it off his desk, at which point he immediately forgot that order ever existed.

    He has also had problems with walking out of signing ceremonies without signing whatever he was meant to sign.

    I think he might have lied when he said he had the greatest memory.

    Silly Veevee, the President doesn't lie, he "acts based on misconceptions".

    (One of these misconceptions is apparently "I am a competent human being").

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  • SorceSorce Registered User regular
    Trump has the GMOAT though.

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    Is Business Insider or Woodward censoring the curse words?




  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades 地獄のようにかわいい あなたは嫉妬深いかRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    You mods really do hire the best people.

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    ElJeffe wrote: »
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    Don't you mean Melania, not Donald?

  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Also odds are he is lying, guys. Come on.

    I mean... Trump paying back loans? That doesn't really sound like a man who got blacklisted basically everywhere.

    Also, the bit where he 'remembers' exactly when all that happened. I'm not that confident in mental faculties.

    Reminder that according to more than one report, he was about to sign an order ending trade with South Korea when someone took it off his desk, at which point he immediately forgot that order ever existed.

    He has also had problems with walking out of signing ceremonies without signing whatever he was meant to sign.

    I think he might have lied when he said he had the greatest memory.

    That's attention span more than memory. Once the adoration of the event stops, what's left to pay attention to?
    I think that might be another reason he hates the investigation (aside from the 'it's going to find all the bad stuff he did' part, which is pretty significant), it's forcing him to stay focused on something long after he's gotten completely bored of it.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Bugger bugger bugger

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-exploded-at-john-dowd-over-mueller-deutsche-bank-2018-9
    President Donald Trump exploded at his former lawyer, John Dowd, after reading news reports that said the special counsel Robert Mueller had subpoenaed records from Deutsche Bank, journalist Bob Woodward reported in his upcoming book, "Fear: Trump in the White House," which Business Insider obtained and reviewed.

    After learning of the news regarding Mueller and Deutsche Bank, a primary lender to the president, Woodward wrote that a furious Trump phoned Dowd at 7 a.m.

    "I know my relationships with Deutsche Bank," Trump told Dowd, with Woodward writing that the president said the bank loved him and was always paid for its loans. "I know what I borrowed, when I borrowed, when I paid it back. I know every godd--- one."

    Trump added that "this is bulls---!"

    Dowd then spoke with Jim Quarles, a member of Mueller's team who was also an assistant special prosecutor on the Watergate probe. Dowd repeated Trump's assertion that "this is bulls---."

    Deutshce Bank is where Justice Kennedy's kid worked and approved loans for Trump, right?

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    moniker wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Bugger bugger bugger

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-exploded-at-john-dowd-over-mueller-deutsche-bank-2018-9
    President Donald Trump exploded at his former lawyer, John Dowd, after reading news reports that said the special counsel Robert Mueller had subpoenaed records from Deutsche Bank, journalist Bob Woodward reported in his upcoming book, "Fear: Trump in the White House," which Business Insider obtained and reviewed.

    After learning of the news regarding Mueller and Deutsche Bank, a primary lender to the president, Woodward wrote that a furious Trump phoned Dowd at 7 a.m.

    "I know my relationships with Deutsche Bank," Trump told Dowd, with Woodward writing that the president said the bank loved him and was always paid for its loans. "I know what I borrowed, when I borrowed, when I paid it back. I know every godd--- one."

    Trump added that "this is bulls---!"

    Dowd then spoke with Jim Quarles, a member of Mueller's team who was also an assistant special prosecutor on the Watergate probe. Dowd repeated Trump's assertion that "this is bulls---."

    Deutshce Bank is where Justice Kennedy's kid worked and approved loans for Trump, right?
    Yep. Incidentally, appearance of corruption is corruption in any ethical code worth the paper it's written on.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    Who came up with the title? Because I like it muchly

    *raises hand*

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    ElJeffe wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    Who came up with the title? Because I like it muchly

    *raises hand*
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    So who actually came up with it?

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    Elvenshae wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    Who came up with the title? Because I like it muchly

    *raises hand*
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    In honor of Donald Trump, I am shamelessly stealing this OP from other, better people and then taking credit for it.

    So who actually came up with it?
    The best people.

    (@joshofalltrades)

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Today is yet another day where Trump makes it obvious he is going to fire Sessions.

  • SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    Also odds are he is lying, guys. Come on.

    I mean... Trump paying back loans? That doesn't really sound like a man who got blacklisted basically everywhere.

    Also, the bit where he 'remembers' exactly when all that happened. I'm not that confident in his mental faculties.

    I'm sure someone paid back the loans, it just wasn't Trump.
    Trump probably knows who paid them off.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Today is yet another day where Trump makes it obvious he is going to fire Sessions.

    That's... and endorsement of Sessions.... god damnit Trump what the fuck

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited September 11
    Ah yes, the venerable Lou Dobbs. A man with takes so hot it's a wonder he spends his evenings on Fox Business News Channel: the ESPN8 "The OCHO" of conservative media

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    That Rosenstein memo everyone knew was a pretext was a pretext according to Woodward's book.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/11/another-big-woodward-reveal-trumps-bottomless-bad-faith-and-nonstop-lying/
    When Trump fired Comey, the White House released a memo, by deputy attorney general Rod J. Rosenstein, that provided his supposed “reason.” Woodward recounts a scene before the firing, in which Rosenstein gave Trump the memo. It cited Comey’s mishandling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation, including his critical July 2016 presser and the release of “new” emails just before the election, and quoted multiple officials saying Comey had broken rules.

    Woodward recounts that after Trump read the memo and absorbed this rationale, this happened:
    Done, said the president. He couldn’t have said it better himself. He sent a brief letter to Comey informing him that he was “terminated and removed from office, effective immediately.
    But Woodward also reports that Trump had made the decision to fire Comey well before this episode. Woodward recounts that Trump had previously told two top advisers: “Don’t try to talk me out of it, because I’ve made my decision, so don’t even try.”

  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Was that letter delivered to Comey’s office while Comey was in LA? I thought he learned he was fired from the news.

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  • DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    That Rosenstein memo everyone knew was a pretext was a pretext according to Woodward's book.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/11/another-big-woodward-reveal-trumps-bottomless-bad-faith-and-nonstop-lying/
    When Trump fired Comey, the White House released a memo, by deputy attorney general Rod J. Rosenstein, that provided his supposed “reason.” Woodward recounts a scene before the firing, in which Rosenstein gave Trump the memo. It cited Comey’s mishandling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation, including his critical July 2016 presser and the release of “new” emails just before the election, and quoted multiple officials saying Comey had broken rules.

    Woodward recounts that after Trump read the memo and absorbed this rationale, this happened:
    Done, said the president. He couldn’t have said it better himself. He sent a brief letter to Comey informing him that he was “terminated and removed from office, effective immediately.
    But Woodward also reports that Trump had made the decision to fire Comey well before this episode. Woodward recounts that Trump had previously told two top advisers: “Don’t try to talk me out of it, because I’ve made my decision, so don’t even try.”

    Yeah, that part stuck out to me. It isn't exactly news, but one more piece of evidence. I'm trying to read the book but it's slow going because they're all so stupid and mercenary.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Today is yet another day where Trump makes it obvious he is going to fire Sessions.

    That's... and endorsement of Sessions.... god damnit Trump what the fuck

    The Justice Department should not be run drastically differently depending on the partisan affiliation of the Attorney General.

    I mean, of course it is. But it shouldn't.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Scarf Ace Registered User regular
    I would love Eric Holder being back at the DoJ

    Get those lgbt protections back, scrap this ICE bullshit, stop wasting time on toughening vice laws

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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Today is yet another day where Trump makes it obvious he is going to fire Sessions.

    That's... and endorsement of Sessions.... god damnit Trump what the fuck

    Eric Holder is African-American. Trump is racist and Sessions is super racist, so it's meant as a nasty slur. I'll let you fill in the gaps, but the base will also hear the whistle.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Today is yet another day where Trump makes it obvious he is going to fire Sessions.

    That's... and endorsement of Sessions.... god damnit Trump what the fuck

    Eric Holder is African-American. Trump is racist and Sessions is super racist, so it's meant as a nasty slur. I'll let you fill in the gaps, but the base will also hear the whistle.

    No, Trump is quoting Lou Dobbs who is arguing that the DoJ is investigating so many Republicans it's as if the office of Attorney General never changed hands.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Today is yet another day where Trump makes it obvious he is going to fire Sessions.

    That's... and endorsement of Sessions.... god damnit Trump what the fuck

    Eric Holder is African-American. Trump is racist and Sessions is super racist, so it's meant as a nasty slur. I'll let you fill in the gaps, but the base will also hear the whistle.

    No, Trump is quoting Lou Dobbs who is arguing that the DoJ is investigating so many Republicans it's as if the office of Attorney General never changed hands.

    Maybe it's more that the criminals haven't changed...

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  • AtomikaAtomika Scarf Ace Registered User regular
    “Fair and Balanced” means you need to charge as many Democrats with crimes as you do Republicans.

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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Today is yet another day where Trump makes it obvious he is going to fire Sessions.

    That's... and endorsement of Sessions.... god damnit Trump what the fuck

    Eric Holder is African-American. Trump is racist and Sessions is super racist, so it's meant as a nasty slur. I'll let you fill in the gaps, but the base will also hear the whistle.

    No, Trump is quoting Lou Dobbs who is arguing that the DoJ is investigating so many Republicans it's as if the office of Attorney General never changed hands.

    Lou Dobbs is also a racist asshole so my point stands.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Guys, guys, it can be both a partisan appeal AND a racist dogwhistle at the same time! Why should he limit himself to rough, blatant partisanship or horrific bigotry when he can have it all?

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
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    Atomika wrote: »
    “Fair and Balanced” means you need to charge Democrats with crimes and ignore Republican corruption

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    That Rosenstein memo everyone knew was a pretext was a pretext according to Woodward's book.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/11/another-big-woodward-reveal-trumps-bottomless-bad-faith-and-nonstop-lying/
    When Trump fired Comey, the White House released a memo, by deputy attorney general Rod J. Rosenstein, that provided his supposed “reason.” Woodward recounts a scene before the firing, in which Rosenstein gave Trump the memo. It cited Comey’s mishandling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation, including his critical July 2016 presser and the release of “new” emails just before the election, and quoted multiple officials saying Comey had broken rules.

    Woodward recounts that after Trump read the memo and absorbed this rationale, this happened:
    Done, said the president. He couldn’t have said it better himself. He sent a brief letter to Comey informing him that he was “terminated and removed from office, effective immediately.
    But Woodward also reports that Trump had made the decision to fire Comey well before this episode. Woodward recounts that Trump had previously told two top advisers: “Don’t try to talk me out of it, because I’ve made my decision, so don’t even try.”

    So in theory, if they were able to get people to say it in court, would 3rd party testimony even be admissible?

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