I remember vaguely hearing that someone was looking into Pence's involvement in the greater scheme of things, so that both he and trump would get the boot by Mueller together.
If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"
Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
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I am an Indiana resident that couldn't wait to cast my ballot against Mike Pence and few things would make me happier than to see him go down with anyone else should heads actually roll. But if he's a Russian stooge I'm LeBron James. The dude openly contradicted his running mate at the VP debate on Russia, Ukraine, and NATO and was subsequently called out by said running mate at the following presidential debate.
If I've learned one thing in all this, politicians are cheap to buy. Pence may not have been dirty but it probably didn't take long to get him neck deep in shit.
When talking to a listener who called into his radio show Tuesday afternoon, Hannity said he expects the president to fire special counsel Robert Mueller and end the investigation into Russian election interference “sooner rather than later,” potentially after Hurricane Florence passes. Given Hannity and Trump reportedly talk so regularly that some White House staffers, according to The Washington Post, have dubbed the conservative media personality the president's unofficial chief of staff, it remains to be seen whether Hannity is offering the president his personal advice or if he’s simply expressing wishful thinking.
On one hand, it's Hannity. On the other...it's Hannity.
Didn’t they also do something super shitty during Hurricane Maria and think the natural disaster would decrease the news coverage?
Edit: it wasn’t Maria, they used Hurricane Harvey to provide cover for the Arpaoi pardon
I think I see another reason conservative politicians don't want to do anything about climate change; They can use all the disasters it causes as a smokescreen to distract attention from their brazen corruption and looting of the country.
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My personal opinion on Pence based on what we’ve seen so far is that he probably had nothing to do with Russia during the campaign, but sure as hell learned details during or after the transition.
If the GOP were smart, they would have completely isolated Pence from all of this as a backstop. So that if everything goes to shit and Trump is impeached and everyone is going to jail, Pence could be sworn in with plausible deniability and then just issue pardons. I don’t think anyone in the White House is that forward thinking though.
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Is the VP usually head of or at least part of the transition team? Because the Rogue's Gallery of Notable Half-wits were nearly all connected to that. And Pence was right up in that. It's where his jeopardy with Flynn came about.
My personal opinion on Pence based on what we’ve seen so far is that he probably had nothing to do with Russia during the campaign, but sure as hell learned details during or after the transition.
If the GOP were smart, they would have completely isolated Pence from all of this as a backstop. So that if everything goes to shit and Trump is impeached and everyone is going to jail, Pence could be sworn in with plausible deniability and then just issue pardons. I don’t think anyone in the White House is that forward thinking though.
Sure but if anyone in he Trump team we’re smart they would have dirtied him the moment he was committed(before the election*). This would prevent the GoP from having an out and from backstabbing him.
And if no one in the Trump team were smart then they couldn’t inoculate him anyway
*more or less once he cannot back out so that the best option for the GOP is to continue on. If Pence backs out and blows the whistle the GOP loses and the democrats have political capital on their side. If he doesn’t then they’re pot committed.
Pence's playbook right now should primarily be about turtling as long and as hard as he can; he gains nothing by weighing in or taking a stand on anything happening around trump right now. Also, if worse came to worse and trump ate shit Pence would probably just let him go; trying to pardon him would only ensure that Donnie would be around for decades, further empowering the angriest, dumbest parts of the base in ways that only serve to undermine the objectives of the party. No, Trump would eat shit in the worst way.
Pence's playbook right now should primarily be about turtling as long and as hard as he can; he gains nothing by weighing in or taking a stand on anything happening around trump right now. Also, if worse came to worse and trump ate shit Pence would probably just let him go; trying to pardon him would only ensure that Donnie would be around for decades, further empowering the angriest, dumbest parts of the base in ways that only serve to undermine the objectives of the party. No, Trump would eat shit in the worst way.
The scenario that just played in my head was Trump getting impeached, removed, pardoned, and then Primarying Pence in 2020.
Pence's playbook right now should primarily be about turtling as long and as hard as he can; he gains nothing by weighing in or taking a stand on anything happening around trump right now. Also, if worse came to worse and trump ate shit Pence would probably just let him go; trying to pardon him would only ensure that Donnie would be around for decades, further empowering the angriest, dumbest parts of the base in ways that only serve to undermine the objectives of the party. No, Trump would eat shit in the worst way.
The scenario that just played in my head was Trump getting impeached, removed, pardoned, and then Primarying Pence in 2020.
Removal via Impeachment bars you from ever holding any federal office.
Is the VP usually head of or at least part of the transition team? Because the Rogue's Gallery of Notable Half-wits were nearly all connected to that. And Pence was right up in that. It's where his jeopardy with Flynn came about.
Pence was notably not involved, and was constantly sidelined by the President and his team. Pence is and was always a figurehead who brought the evangelicals on board, nothing more.
Pence's playbook right now should primarily be about turtling as long and as hard as he can; he gains nothing by weighing in or taking a stand on anything happening around trump right now. Also, if worse came to worse and trump ate shit Pence would probably just let him go; trying to pardon him would only ensure that Donnie would be around for decades, further empowering the angriest, dumbest parts of the base in ways that only serve to undermine the objectives of the party. No, Trump would eat shit in the worst way.
It's the Al Gore angle... go to Hawaii for reasons while the President is being impeached.
Is the VP usually head of or at least part of the transition team? Because the Rogue's Gallery of Notable Half-wits were nearly all connected to that. And Pence was right up in that. It's where his jeopardy with Flynn came about.
Pence was notably not involved, and was constantly sidelined by the President and his team. Pence is and was always a figurehead who brought the evangelicals on board, nothing more.
Pence was in the transitional team and the whole thing is filled with super corrupt and/or Russian shills he had to know what was going on. At the very least he looked the other way, since if he blew the whistle his meal ticket would be gone. Pence is utterly spineless standing up to these guys, assuming he had any honour to begin with - otherwise he would have been among the first to talk to Mueller ASAP. Unless he's been wearing a wire this whole time.
Is the VP usually head of or at least part of the transition team? Because the Rogue's Gallery of Notable Half-wits were nearly all connected to that. And Pence was right up in that. It's where his jeopardy with Flynn came about.
Pence was notably not involved, and was constantly sidelined by the President and his team. Pence is and was always a figurehead who brought the evangelicals on board, nothing more.
Except we know this isn't true because of the Flynn situation. He's in deep and been lying to cover his ass just like the rest of them.
Is the VP usually head of or at least part of the transition team? Because the Rogue's Gallery of Notable Half-wits were nearly all connected to that. And Pence was right up in that. It's where his jeopardy with Flynn came about.
Pence was notably not involved, and was constantly sidelined by the President and his team. Pence is and was always a figurehead who brought the evangelicals on board, nothing more.
Except we know this isn't true because of the Flynn situation. He's in deep and been lying to cover his ass just like the rest of them.
what he knew about Flynn doesn't suggest that he knew about Russian collusion. No matter how many times y'all repeat this it doesn't get any truer!
harry's nonsense about meal tickets is even more silly - after the election, blowing the whistle would make him President!! Pence doesn't know anything - Trump can't command or expect loyalty because Pence can't be removed or fired, so at first he was sidelined and now he's actively avoiding any possibility that he might be attached to the investigation. It's a good thing too because if Trump does go down, we still need a President that we can believe is clean to stabilize the government.
If it was Trump's idea I imagine he released anything that had the word "Clinton" on it so he can say they were the real collusion.
If it wasn't Trump's idea I imagine the pages/texts were vetted so they could be attacked as though they represent the entirety of the investigation. So the parts of the FISA warrant that relate to the Dossier, or anything that might make Comey look bad, or look like he was coordinating an attack on Trump, etc.
If he's not releasing the whole thing, he's only releasing the parts that make him look good or someone else look bad.
So, by the words of Comey, Strzok and Page, we now know that the Trump Justice Department — through Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — unleashed the Mueller special counsel probe before the FBI could validate a connection between Trump and Russia.
Which raises the question: If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special counsel?
With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.
The point of releasing those documents is to say "They couldn't prove Collusion when they started the investigation, therefore the investigation is invalid. Finding proof during the investigation doesn't count."
So, by the words of Comey, Strzok and Page, we now know that the Trump Justice Department — through Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — unleashed the Mueller special counsel probe before the FBI could validate a connection between Trump and Russia.
Which raises the question: If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special counsel?
With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.
The point of releasing those documents is to say "They couldn't prove Collusion when they started the investigation, therefore the investigation is invalid. Finding proof during the investigation doesn't count."
The special counsel was created because of the garbage Trump pulled with firing Comey, not because of any new evidence of collusion. I can't remember if it was explicit, but everyone figured that at the time.
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It's the exact same nothing burger there have been trying forever.
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Trump is ordering the FBI/DoJ and others to release documents concerning texts from/with Carter Page and Bruce Ohr as well as FISA applications.
Either this is meant to distract from Kavanaugh, muddy waters and just make the IC look bad in the eyes of the base, or something bad for Trump is on its way.
So, by the words of Comey, Strzok and Page, we now know that the Trump Justice Department — through Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — unleashed the Mueller special counsel probe before the FBI could validate a connection between Trump and Russia.
Which raises the question: If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special counsel?
With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.
The point of releasing those documents is to say "They couldn't prove Collusion when they started the investigation, therefore the investigation is invalid. Finding proof during the investigation doesn't count."
This is.... This is not even REMOTELY a bombshell, wtf The Hill?
Investigators didn't have all the facts before their investigation! Bombshell!!!!
So, by the words of Comey, Strzok and Page, we now know that the Trump Justice Department — through Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — unleashed the Mueller special counsel probe before the FBI could validate a connection between Trump and Russia.
Which raises the question: If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special counsel?
With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.
The point of releasing those documents is to say "They couldn't prove Collusion when they started the investigation, therefore the investigation is invalid. Finding proof during the investigation doesn't count."
This is.... This is not even REMOTELY a bombshell, wtf The Hill?
Investigators didn't have all the facts before their investigation! Bombshell!!!!
John Solomon is a noted conspiracy theorist who the Hill employs because some right wing asshole bought them.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Not to mention that without a doubt there are a bunch of documents that haven't been declassified that would fill in the blanks for the reasons why they were suspicious in the first place. The fact that Trump has blatantly cherry-picked documents that support his preferred narrative should be obvious to everybody, but we do apparently live in the dumbest timeline.
The last few times Trump and friends pulled stunts like this it blew up in their faces. I can’t imagine these morons actually have something that’ll stick this time around.
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If he got dirty it was during the transition.
Yes he was, in documented letters from Congress if I remember correctly.
Yes but I believe that was about him knowing Flynn was full of shit and that he did nothing about Flynn supposedly lying to him for weeks
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If the GOP were smart, they would have completely isolated Pence from all of this as a backstop. So that if everything goes to shit and Trump is impeached and everyone is going to jail, Pence could be sworn in with plausible deniability and then just issue pardons. I don’t think anyone in the White House is that forward thinking though.
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And if no one in the Trump team were smart then they couldn’t inoculate him anyway
*more or less once he cannot back out so that the best option for the GOP is to continue on. If Pence backs out and blows the whistle the GOP loses and the democrats have political capital on their side. If he doesn’t then they’re pot committed.
The scenario that just played in my head was Trump getting impeached, removed, pardoned, and then Primarying Pence in 2020.
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Pence was notably not involved, and was constantly sidelined by the President and his team. Pence is and was always a figurehead who brought the evangelicals on board, nothing more.
It's the Al Gore angle... go to Hawaii for reasons while the President is being impeached.
Pence was in the transitional team and the whole thing is filled with super corrupt and/or Russian shills he had to know what was going on. At the very least he looked the other way, since if he blew the whistle his meal ticket would be gone. Pence is utterly spineless standing up to these guys, assuming he had any honour to begin with - otherwise he would have been among the first to talk to Mueller ASAP. Unless he's been wearing a wire this whole time.
Except we know this isn't true because of the Flynn situation. He's in deep and been lying to cover his ass just like the rest of them.
what he knew about Flynn doesn't suggest that he knew about Russian collusion. No matter how many times y'all repeat this it doesn't get any truer!
harry's nonsense about meal tickets is even more silly - after the election, blowing the whistle would make him President!! Pence doesn't know anything - Trump can't command or expect loyalty because Pence can't be removed or fired, so at first he was sidelined and now he's actively avoiding any possibility that he might be attached to the investigation. It's a good thing too because if Trump does go down, we still need a President that we can believe is clean to stabilize the government.
No?
Move on.
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If it was Trump's idea I imagine he released anything that had the word "Clinton" on it so he can say they were the real collusion.
If it wasn't Trump's idea I imagine the pages/texts were vetted so they could be attacked as though they represent the entirety of the investigation. So the parts of the FISA warrant that relate to the Dossier, or anything that might make Comey look bad, or look like he was coordinating an attack on Trump, etc.
If he's not releasing the whole thing, he's only releasing the parts that make him look good or someone else look bad.
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https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/406881-lisa-page-bombshell-fbi-couldnt-prove-trump-russia-collusion-before-mueller
The point of releasing those documents is to say "They couldn't prove Collusion when they started the investigation, therefore the investigation is invalid. Finding proof during the investigation doesn't count."
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The special counsel was created because of the garbage Trump pulled with firing Comey, not because of any new evidence of collusion. I can't remember if it was explicit, but everyone figured that at the time.
Either this is meant to distract from Kavanaugh, muddy waters and just make the IC look bad in the eyes of the base, or something bad for Trump is on its way.
Criminals everywhere will be happy to know the authorities can no longer look for proof of crimes without proof of crimes.
This is.... This is not even REMOTELY a bombshell, wtf The Hill?
Investigators didn't have all the facts before their investigation! Bombshell!!!!
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John Solomon is a noted conspiracy theorist who the Hill employs because some right wing asshole bought them.