Doomsday Clock #11 reveals, per some early spoilers
None of the New 52 shit is Doctor Manhattan's fault
In fact, he is responsible for Rebirth, as he found Superman such a pivotal, primal figure that he wanted to meet the true Superman and not the watered down, angsty New 52 Clark
The true villain of the series is
Gasp
Ozymandias, who has planned everything up to this point and does the straight up 35 MINUTES AGO shit again
Doomsday Clock #11 reveals, per some early spoilers
None of the New 52 shit is Doctor Manhattan's fault
In fact, he is responsible for Rebirth, as he found Superman such a pivotal, primal figure that he wanted to meet the true Superman and not the watered down, angsty New 52 Clark
The true villain of the series is
Gasp
Ozymandias, who has planned everything up to this point and does the straight up 35 MINUTES AGO shit again
Aaaaahhahahahhahahahahahahaha
Wait, didn't the last issue show his messing with the Golden Age Green Lantern and thus the rest of the heroes in that time basically caused N52 to happen? And how could Ozymandias pull that off at all?
Doomsday Clock #11 reveals, per some early spoilers
None of the New 52 shit is Doctor Manhattan's fault
In fact, he is responsible for Rebirth, as he found Superman such a pivotal, primal figure that he wanted to meet the true Superman and not the watered down, angsty New 52 Clark
The true villain of the series is
Gasp
Ozymandias, who has planned everything up to this point and does the straight up 35 MINUTES AGO shit again
it's watchmen's fault dc is bad, at its core, was such a goddamn neat premise
i think that's what ticks me off the most
it was a very good germ of an idea
I think in the hands of a writer who could tackle both the stuff Watchmen should be held accountable for and the stuff that other writers did themselves by chasing that dragon too far it could have been genuinely interesting
The man who is responsible for the New 52 and wrote Blackest Night is not that writer, it turns out
Doomsday Clock #11 reveals, per some early spoilers
None of the New 52 shit is Doctor Manhattan's fault
In fact, he is responsible for Rebirth, as he found Superman such a pivotal, primal figure that he wanted to meet the true Superman and not the watered down, angsty New 52 Clark
The true villain of the series is
Gasp
Ozymandias, who has planned everything up to this point and does the straight up 35 MINUTES AGO shit again
Aaaaahhahahahhahahahahahahaha
Wait, didn't the last issue show his messing with the Golden Age Green Lantern and thus the rest of the heroes in that time basically caused N52 to happen? And how could Ozymandias pull that off at all?
Wait till the next issue in 6 months!
Apparently he reveals he has this big plan only to reveal it has worked via Saturn Girl getting Thanos'd because the Legion future is no longer there and thats where things end
it's watchmen's fault dc is bad, at its core, was such a goddamn neat premise
i think that's what ticks me off the most
it was a very good germ of an idea
I think in the hands of a writer who could tackle both the stuff Watchmen should be held accountable for and the stuff that other writers did themselves by chasing that dragon too far it could have been genuinely interesting
The man who is responsible for the New 52 and wrote Blackest Night is not that writer, it turns out
The (former) CCO of DC Entertainment writing a story of how everything wrong with the last 25-30 years of the DC universe is the fault of a standalone comic never meant to be part by an estranged creative team and not , you know, massive editorial miss management for a long period, just feels so tacky (can't think of a better word).
You wanna blame Moore for things within the DCU? The Killing Joke is right there.
Doomsday Clock #11 reveals, per some early spoilers
None of the New 52 shit is Doctor Manhattan's fault
In fact, he is responsible for Rebirth, as he found Superman such a pivotal, primal figure that he wanted to meet the true Superman and not the watered down, angsty New 52 Clark
The true villain of the series is
Gasp
Ozymandias, who has planned everything up to this point and does the straight up 35 MINUTES AGO shit again
Aaaaahhahahahhahahahahahahaha
Okay why
has Doctor Manhattan been fucking vaporizing people then
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I find it funny that while Doomsday Clock was stalled out waiting to get to this point, Kieron Gillen put out an entire 5-issue miniseries deconstructing Watchmen (and the idea of deconstructing comics itself). Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt definitely isn't for everyone, it's Gillen entirely on his bullshit and the most unabashedly meta thing he's done.
It also connects eerily with the latest Doomsday Clock spoilers
The whole thing is about Peter Cannon, the hero Ozymandias was originally based on. It opens on him watching his planet get attacked by aliens, which he grudgingly helps the heroes of his world fight off before telling them that he knows what's really going on. The so-called "alien attack" was nothing more than a ruse to try and trick the world powers that had been on the brink of war to work together, and he knows this because it's an idea that he had and ultimately discarded because not only was it deeply unethical, it would also never work forever and the problems would always return. This leads him to conclude that they are under attack from a Peter Cannon from another dimension.
Sure enough, the villain of the series is essentially Watchmen's Ozymandias who ended up unlocking secret knowledge that gave him the power to defeat his world's "Nucleon" (aka Dr. Manhattan) but destroying most of the planet in the process, and from there has proceeded to replicate his "alien attack" experiment on countless parallel earths trying to perfect it and save those worlds from destruction/nuclear war.
like, Gillen kind of beat DC to a very specific punch in a way that's kind of uncanny
Unless I missed a bunch of stuff , most of those doomsday clock 11 spoilers are pretty off ( though the issue says far less in it which is a different problem)
ozy is pulling at strings, he leaked the stuff that caused firestorm to go to Russia, which lead the heroes to Manhattan and to Mars (so they were off planet and could not help superman), seems to want Manhattan and supes to fight. Asks Saturn girl if superman even remembers her / remarks that she is no longer of this timeline as she gets dusted, but remarks to Johnny thunder the past won't be erased. Issue ends with superman and Manhattan at a face off
"Ride or Die?" asked Goku
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
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I do find it kind of neat that his plan appears to be
the plan from the Watchmen movie, with Superman as the unifying threat instead of Manhattan
If what I read about today's issue of Doomsday Clock is true, there is something possibly cool revealed.
Turns out Lex has been investigating into Manhattan's interference since OG-Wally's return from the Speed Force (which he may or may not have been there to witness?). And this apparently also let him figure out more or less how the DCU's been resetting around Superman. Now he wants to end the cycle so he finally wins the fight.
That said, it seems a character's role in the story has been kinda pointless...
...as Oz manages to poof Saturn Girl out of existence by pointing out that Superman currently doesn't remember her. So her being around since Rebirth's start ended up pretty much for nothing.
I find it funny that while Doomsday Clock was stalled out waiting to get to this point, Kieron Gillen put out an entire 5-issue miniseries deconstructing Watchmen (and the idea of deconstructing comics itself). Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt definitely isn't for everyone, it's Gillen entirely on his bullshit and the most unabashedly meta thing he's done.
It also connects eerily with the latest Doomsday Clock spoilers
The whole thing is about Peter Cannon, the hero Ozymandias was originally based on. It opens on him watching his planet get attacked by aliens, which he grudgingly helps the heroes of his world fight off before telling them that he knows what's really going on. The so-called "alien attack" was nothing more than a ruse to try and trick the world powers that had been on the brink of war to work together, and he knows this because it's an idea that he had and ultimately discarded because not only was it deeply unethical, it would also never work forever and the problems would always return. This leads him to conclude that they are under attack from a Peter Cannon from another dimension.
Sure enough, the villain of the series is essentially Watchmen's Ozymandias who ended up unlocking secret knowledge that gave him the power to defeat his world's "Nucleon" (aka Dr. Manhattan) but destroying most of the planet in the process, and from there has proceeded to replicate his "alien attack" experiment on countless parallel earths trying to perfect it and save those worlds from destruction/nuclear war.
like, Gillen kind of beat DC to a very specific punch in a way that's kind of uncanny
Yeah, I was just thinking how "Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt" is the only Watchmen-successor comic I'm aware of that actually tries to follow the example of Watchmen and take a step forward and think for itself rather than riding coattails and/or cashing in on a brand. It also manages to both show reverence for that work, and also to firmly analyze and criticize it.
The phrase "it's Gillen entirely on his bullshit" is 100% accurate, though. I mean I love it, I'm the biggest Gillen fanboy, but not everyone is.
I find it funny that while Doomsday Clock was stalled out waiting to get to this point, Kieron Gillen put out an entire 5-issue miniseries deconstructing Watchmen (and the idea of deconstructing comics itself). Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt definitely isn't for everyone, it's Gillen entirely on his bullshit and the most unabashedly meta thing he's done.
It also connects eerily with the latest Doomsday Clock spoilers
The whole thing is about Peter Cannon, the hero Ozymandias was originally based on. It opens on him watching his planet get attacked by aliens, which he grudgingly helps the heroes of his world fight off before telling them that he knows what's really going on. The so-called "alien attack" was nothing more than a ruse to try and trick the world powers that had been on the brink of war to work together, and he knows this because it's an idea that he had and ultimately discarded because not only was it deeply unethical, it would also never work forever and the problems would always return. This leads him to conclude that they are under attack from a Peter Cannon from another dimension.
Sure enough, the villain of the series is essentially Watchmen's Ozymandias who ended up unlocking secret knowledge that gave him the power to defeat his world's "Nucleon" (aka Dr. Manhattan) but destroying most of the planet in the process, and from there has proceeded to replicate his "alien attack" experiment on countless parallel earths trying to perfect it and save those worlds from destruction/nuclear war.
like, Gillen kind of beat DC to a very specific punch in a way that's kind of uncanny
Yeah, I was just thinking how "Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt" is the only Watchmen-successor comic I'm aware of that actually tries to follow the example of Watchmen and take a step forward and think for itself rather than riding coattails and/or cashing in on a brand. It also manages to both show reverence for that work, and also to firmly analyze and criticize it.
The phrase "it's Gillen entirely on his bullshit" is 100% accurate, though. I mean I love it, I'm the biggest Gillen fanboy, but not everyone is.
When I say "Watchmen-successor", I mean that in a very broad way: both things like "Before Watchmen", and just comics that try to emulate what they think the point of Watchmen is.
Doomsday Clock #11 reveals, per some early spoilers
None of the New 52 shit is Doctor Manhattan's fault
In fact, he is responsible for Rebirth, as he found Superman such a pivotal, primal figure that he wanted to meet the true Superman and not the watered down, angsty New 52 Clark
The true villain of the series is
Gasp
Ozymandias, who has planned everything up to this point and does the straight up 35 MINUTES AGO shit again
Aaaaahhahahahhahahahahahahaha
I love comics
Like the constant delays for the series to even get to this point makes it funnier
If what I read about today's issue of Doomsday Clock is true, there is something possibly cool revealed.
Turns out Lex has been investigating into Manhattan's interference since OG-Wally's return from the Speed Force (which he may or may not have been there to witness?). And this apparently also let him figure out more or less how the DCU's been resetting around Superman. Now he wants to end the cycle so he finally wins the fight.
That said, it seems a character's role in the story has been kinda pointless...
...as Oz manages to poof Saturn Girl out of existence by pointing out that Superman currently doesn't remember her. So her being around since Rebirth's start ended up pretty much for nothing.
Regarding that second spoiler
Could it be any more obvious that Editorial pulled the Legion from Johns to give to Bendis?
Justice League is getting properly ridiculous now and I am really into it
Brainiac has used Perpetua's powers to bottle potential pasts and futures of Earth, scouring them for the last fragments of power that the Legion of Doom needs while also spurring the time periods further towards Doom.
Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman end up in Kamandi's timeline, recruiting him to their cause before jumping to DC One Million and discovering it has been overrun by Brainiac.
Flash and GL go back to the 1940s and meet the Justice Society for the first time, on the brink of WW2. There are some
really fun interactions and they end up going to retrieve the artifact at a Naval base.
In Hawaii
On December 7th, 1941.
While the Legion of Doom flies in with Gorilla Grodd and pals launching the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
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If what I read about today's issue of Doomsday Clock is true, there is something possibly cool revealed.
Turns out Lex has been investigating into Manhattan's interference since OG-Wally's return from the Speed Force (which he may or may not have been there to witness?). And this apparently also let him figure out more or less how the DCU's been resetting around Superman. Now he wants to end the cycle so he finally wins the fight.
That said, it seems a character's role in the story has been kinda pointless...
...as Oz manages to poof Saturn Girl out of existence by pointing out that Superman currently doesn't remember her. So her being around since Rebirth's start ended up pretty much for nothing.
Regarding that second spoiler
Could it be any more obvious that Editorial pulled the Legion from Johns to give to Bendis?
DC's main narrative problem remains the presense of three or four heavy hitters all throwing their weight around and trying to do their big 'this changes everything' storylines at the same time.
Can't wait for the Looney Tunes crossover where she teams up with Taz
Edit: Wait shit
If that's Suicide Squad, is she Captain Boomerang's daughter?
Or I guess maybe Bronze Tiger's daughter, if we're looking to emphasize the tiger aspect over the Australian stereotype aspect
I don't expect her to be related to either of them, but she definitely seems to be the Bronze Tiger of the group given the costume colors and animal name.
She seems like she might be an aboriginal/indigenous Australian?
Do the Birds of Prey fight Pennywise? was my first thought with that trailer.
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Tom Taylor confirmed A) that character design is for a new series not a continuation of DCeased or what have you and she is Aborginal Australian, which rules
DC's main narrative problem remains the presense of three or four heavy hitters all throwing their weight around and trying to do their big 'this changes everything' storylines at the same time.
The reason those are getting pulled is because originally Bendis was going to tie into YotV but the Legion stuff getting moved up pushed that out so rather than print covers that aren't actually accurate they are just reprinting them
The issues with updating the LoSH art for Lightning Lad and Bouncing Boy factored in too, I'm sure
Really I think the non-Johns writers are doing an okay job of working together. King, Bendis and Snyder are the big three at DC right now and King and Snyder worked together to make City of Bane work with Year of the Villain for the most par and Bendis has tied Event Leviathan into it a bit as well.
The biggest non-Doomsday Clock issue is the gigantic multiverse ending collapse in Snyder's Justice League largely being ignored in other books even though that would immediately be like pirority #1 for every major hero and team
DC is just also okay with playing a bit looser with continuity right now and that's fine. They aren't stressing about everything lining up 100% and are instead focusing on the broad strokes
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Just swap some letters around on Pete Davidson and give me two doctor whos instead
Doomsday Clock #11 reveals, per some early spoilers
In fact, he is responsible for Rebirth, as he found Superman such a pivotal, primal figure that he wanted to meet the true Superman and not the watered down, angsty New 52 Clark
The true villain of the series is
Gasp
Ozymandias, who has planned everything up to this point and does the straight up 35 MINUTES AGO shit again
Aaaaahhahahahhahahahahahahaha
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
i think that's what ticks me off the most
it was a very good germ of an idea
The man who is responsible for the New 52 and wrote Blackest Night is not that writer, it turns out
The (former) CCO of DC Entertainment writing a story of how everything wrong with the last 25-30 years of the DC universe is the fault of a standalone comic never meant to be part by an estranged creative team and not , you know, massive editorial miss management for a long period, just feels so tacky (can't think of a better word).
You wanna blame Moore for things within the DCU? The Killing Joke is right there.
But Geoff's gonna Geoff.
Okay why
It also connects eerily with the latest Doomsday Clock spoilers
Sure enough, the villain of the series is essentially Watchmen's Ozymandias who ended up unlocking secret knowledge that gave him the power to defeat his world's "Nucleon" (aka Dr. Manhattan) but destroying most of the planet in the process, and from there has proceeded to replicate his "alien attack" experiment on countless parallel earths trying to perfect it and save those worlds from destruction/nuclear war.
like, Gillen kind of beat DC to a very specific punch in a way that's kind of uncanny
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
That said, it seems a character's role in the story has been kinda pointless...
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
But what's good in the comics department there? Any big stuff I ought've read by now on there?
The phrase "it's Gillen entirely on his bullshit" is 100% accurate, though. I mean I love it, I'm the biggest Gillen fanboy, but not everyone is.
When I say "Watchmen-successor", I mean that in a very broad way: both things like "Before Watchmen", and just comics that try to emulate what they think the point of Watchmen is.
I love comics
Like the constant delays for the series to even get to this point makes it funnier
Steam
Regarding that second spoiler
Steam
Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman end up in Kamandi's timeline, recruiting him to their cause before jumping to DC One Million and discovering it has been overrun by Brainiac.
Flash and GL go back to the 1940s and meet the Justice Society for the first time, on the brink of WW2. There are some
really fun interactions and they end up going to retrieve the artifact at a Naval base.
In Hawaii
On December 7th, 1941.
While the Legion of Doom flies in with Gorilla Grodd and pals launching the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
DC's main narrative problem remains the presense of three or four heavy hitters all throwing their weight around and trying to do their big 'this changes everything' storylines at the same time.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
It looks like Tom Taylor and Bruno Redondo might be doing the long rumored Suicide Squad relaunch?
Hell of a creative team for it
Can't wait for the Looney Tunes crossover where she teams up with Taz
Edit: Wait shit
Or I guess maybe Bronze Tiger's daughter, if we're looking to emphasize the tiger aspect over the Australian stereotype aspect
She seems like she might be an aboriginal/indigenous Australian?
Do the Birds of Prey fight Pennywise? was my first thought with that trailer.
A joke about clowns.
He's part of the DCU now.
Where do I file a formal request to give Mark Russell a Riddler/C-List villain ongoing?
Also making Tut actually Egyptian versus a white guy in a racist costume is a welcome change
"No. Don't say that. Don't ever say that!"
That reaction has me cracking up at work
In other news:
Second SUPERMAN Issue Pulled from 'Year of the Villain' Crossover, New Cover Planned
Like I said,
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
The reason those are getting pulled is because originally Bendis was going to tie into YotV but the Legion stuff getting moved up pushed that out so rather than print covers that aren't actually accurate they are just reprinting them
The issues with updating the LoSH art for Lightning Lad and Bouncing Boy factored in too, I'm sure
Really I think the non-Johns writers are doing an okay job of working together. King, Bendis and Snyder are the big three at DC right now and King and Snyder worked together to make City of Bane work with Year of the Villain for the most par and Bendis has tied Event Leviathan into it a bit as well.
The biggest non-Doomsday Clock issue is the gigantic multiverse ending collapse in Snyder's Justice League largely being ignored in other books even though that would immediately be like pirority #1 for every major hero and team
DC is just also okay with playing a bit looser with continuity right now and that's fine. They aren't stressing about everything lining up 100% and are instead focusing on the broad strokes
That "Damn it" killed me.