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[SCOTUS] Kavanaugh Expresses Regret For Real Victim: Brett Kavanaugh
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Let's keep it on topic, folks.
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1. This is not the general politics or lol this party sucks thread.
2. This is a thread about the US Supreme Court, if it doesn't have anything to do with SCOTUS, it doesn't belong here.
3. Not all things about SCOTUS belong here. Some cases dealing with certain issues, already have a thread or their own god damn separate thread that is more appropriate to discuss a certain SCOTUS rulings or cases.
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5. In the event that we get a SCOTUS vacancy in the lifetime of this thread, this would probably be the best place to discuss such an appointment given how low traffic this thread is likely to be. (leaving this for posterity and lols - SIG)
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Let's keep it on topic, folks.
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Is everybody in politics that shortsighted? Or is this whole not rock the boat bullshit that heavy on the Dems side?
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If he was going to get through anyway its a way some of the red state Dems up for reelection(like Manchin) can grab some easy "nonpartisan" cred
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ARGH!
It simply does not compute
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"red state" dems might conceivably think that they will lose their next election were they to vote yes, which sounds mercenary and self-serving, but it also means they're reacting to the perceived will of their voters.
If a Democrat votes to confirm Kavanaugh, it'll be because they think the electorate in the state they represent wants them to. Bad as that might be for the country, it's also generally the way we want things to run.
If Dr. Ford weathers this onslaught even fairly well not only may they find themselves with an even bigger downside for voting for Kavanaugh, they can kiss their future in the party goodbye as well.
We're entering a turnout/enthusiasm election, this is not the time to shit on your base.
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No it isn't. If it was, we'd just be done with it and have a direct democracy. We elect representatives because we expect them to use their judgement when making decisions.
completely true - it's the essential challenge 'red state' Senators have to face. Which constituency do they back, in a coalition that could vanish because of the ultimate wedge issue?
We weren't even supposed to be electing senators directly in the first place. This is just one more step down a well-trodden path to the "mob rule" (i.e. full democracy) that the founders worried about.
It was a bad system
If the nomination to the Supreme Court of an accused rapist, obvious perjurer, and possible alcoholic with a gambling problem reprobate who holds retrograde views on nearly everything isn't the place for our elected representatives to say "No" regardless the wishes of their constituents, then we might as well replace the Senate with a link to a SurveyMonkey poll.
It's "badness" was most notable in New York. The heads of the State Democratic Party were, among other professions, News Paper owners and Bankers. They picked the NY State Senators out of their social circles.
kavanaugh is wildly unpopular
red state dems are being really dumb if they decide to die on this hill
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-metoo-kavanaugh-ambush-1537197395 She had journalists showing up at her house so this isn't really true.
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This would be true if it wasn't for the current Keith Ellison situation, which the Democrats are handling just like the Republicans are handling Kavanaugh.
They were all prepared for this. Wouldn't be surprised if we find out later this was one of those "open secrets" in GOP circles in Washington.
Nobody is really paying any attention to that is the thing.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-if-we-ditch-kavanaugh-were-signing-our-own-death-warrant?ref=home
Would it really depress the base? Was the SC pick the reason the base supported him or was it the reason the other Republican politicians supported him? Cause I don't see his base caring THAT much about the SC pick.
The Supreme Court is the reason the Dominionists sold their souls to back him.
Ellison is definitely a GOP talking point that I've been seeing. Dunno how much traction it will have.
When you ask pretty much ANY Trump supporter how they can be alright with what's going on in the country today, one of the first five words out of their mouths is "Gorsuch"
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Oh, it's making the rounds of the right-wing media bubble but it seems to have zero presence in the real media.
Not really on any of those points. It doesn't reach half of voters, the right are not the only people who vote as has been demonstrated pretty well in all the elections we've seen since Trump's election and the whole point of most of these kind of things is to push them into the mainstream press to garner legitimacy. We aren't seeing any Senators bringing up Ellison yet with the press, as an example.
It's a bigger deal here in Minnesota, which makes sense since Ellison is running for a state office rather than a national one. But the way the Democrats have handled the situation pretty much undermines any 'high ground' they might have had from the Franken situation. They seem to only rush to 'believe women' when the accused is a Republican.
Ellison doesn't have anything to do with the Kavanaugh situation, of course, and if the Kavanaugh accusation is proven, then he should definitely not be confirmed, and should probably be in jail. But let's not pretend that there isn't a huge amount of politics involved in all of this. The Democrats still have a ways to go with cleaning up their own house (as does pretty much every group, sadly).
I remembered the name of the super PAC.
The Judicial Crisis Network.
According to Wikipedia they funded a huge ad campaign to oppose Merrick Garland, and as of August they have already spent $4.5 million on ads supporting Kavanaugh. It was founded in 2005 to support W's nominees and since 2014 it has been run by Carrie Severino, a former law clerk of, drumroll please, Clarence Thomas.
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In contrast, Ford seems to have been telling the same story for six years.
No, there's a huge amount of politics involved in the Ellison situation. The Kavanaugh situation is still just "he's a rapist". The "moral highground" argument is just a form of whataboutism, since what happens to Ellison is no more relevant to whether Kavanaugh is a rapist then Chappaquiddick. It's only relevant politically, in so far as it may or may not effect how well arguments against Kavanaugh play in the media. And politically it has no traction so far as it relates to this situation.
Unsurprising. They just want to do a little song and dance to appease any wishy-washy Republican votes and give the appearance to the media of having been serious and then jam this shit through as quickly and as quietly as possible.