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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Fawst wrote: »
    Again, is this the story? That he knew? That he was involved? Because if not, IDGAF. It’s shrug-worthy.

    If he knew, which is up for debate since all I’ve seen is tweets without solid sourcing or verified facts, then he can fuck right off.

    Nah, this is wrong. You don't get to plead ignorance for soliciting prostitutes from a trafficking operation. Human trafficking is so widespread and pervasive in the USA, especially among the massage parlors that offer sex work (like, almost all of them are implicated), that if you aren't doing your due diligence to make sure everyone is there of their own will when you solicit then you're 100% complicit in the trafficking.

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    edited February 2019
    Edit: removing joke because it probably sounds libelous.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Fawst wrote: »
    Wait wait wait ... HE was trafficking women? Are we going with this? Is this the official story? Cuz holy shit, if he was involved in that, then god damn, get fucked.

    If he just solicited prostitution, who gives a fuck?

    Because who he solicits matters. The man is worth $6B - if he's going to this sort of place, it's because he likes the sort of person who will handle him there.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Mar A Lago definitely has in-house handjob services.

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    pyromaniac221pyromaniac221 this just might be an interestin YTRegistered User regular
    Human trafficking is abhorrent but ICE also has a history of claiming human trafficking is occurring in immigrant communities they want a pretext to raid, so I’ll approach that element of the story with due caution

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Mar A Lago definitely has in-house handjob services.

    So much pasty, billionaire flesh... *shudders*

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Mar A Lago definitely has in-house handjob services.

    So much pasty, billionaire flesh... *shudders*

    Prices are all over the place though. Kraft paid $50 while some other asshole had to pay $130,000.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Regardless, he's a wealthy white dude. He's not getting in any real trouble.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    I, for one, can't wait for the myriad of Boston area arguments about why this is actually fine.

    wait no the other thing

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    FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Fawst wrote: »
    Again, is this the story? That he knew? That he was involved? Because if not, IDGAF. It’s shrug-worthy.

    If he knew, which is up for debate since all I’ve seen is tweets without solid sourcing or verified facts, then he can fuck right off.

    Nah, this is wrong. You don't get to plead ignorance for soliciting prostitutes from a trafficking operation. Human trafficking is so widespread and pervasive in the USA, especially among the massage parlors that offer sex work (like, almost all of them are implicated), that if you aren't doing your due diligence to make sure everyone is there of their own will when you solicit then you're 100% complicit in the trafficking.

    Ah yes, the conscientious John, who checks the green card of all the ladies involved before partaking. Quite common in the prostitution world, or so I’m told...

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    BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    I'll be curious to see if the league takes any action to Protect the Shield™ here. Surely if a player were caught up in this he'd face some kind of fine or suspension, right? Or does Goodell not player that card anymore?

    Yeah I know nothing will happen.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Fawst wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Fawst wrote: »
    Again, is this the story? That he knew? That he was involved? Because if not, IDGAF. It’s shrug-worthy.

    If he knew, which is up for debate since all I’ve seen is tweets without solid sourcing or verified facts, then he can fuck right off.

    Nah, this is wrong. You don't get to plead ignorance for soliciting prostitutes from a trafficking operation. Human trafficking is so widespread and pervasive in the USA, especially among the massage parlors that offer sex work (like, almost all of them are implicated), that if you aren't doing your due diligence to make sure everyone is there of their own will when you solicit then you're 100% complicit in the trafficking.

    Ah yes, the conscientious John, who checks the green card of all the ladies involved before partaking. Quite common in the prostitution world, or so I’m told...

    Other people being careless assholes who happily solicit trafficking rings does not make it acceptable behavior in this or any instance.

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    He'll be "suspended" for 8 games, which just means he has to wear a fake mustache when he enters the stadium for a couple of months. Probably the same disguise he wore at the massage parlor.

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    HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    The proper term is Cubbyghazi.

    So we had Cubbyghazi one day and ChubbyGhazi the next?

    Inside of a dog...it's too dark to read.
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    FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Fawst wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Fawst wrote: »
    Again, is this the story? That he knew? That he was involved? Because if not, IDGAF. It’s shrug-worthy.

    If he knew, which is up for debate since all I’ve seen is tweets without solid sourcing or verified facts, then he can fuck right off.

    Nah, this is wrong. You don't get to plead ignorance for soliciting prostitutes from a trafficking operation. Human trafficking is so widespread and pervasive in the USA, especially among the massage parlors that offer sex work (like, almost all of them are implicated), that if you aren't doing your due diligence to make sure everyone is there of their own will when you solicit then you're 100% complicit in the trafficking.

    Ah yes, the conscientious John, who checks the green card of all the ladies involved before partaking. Quite common in the prostitution world, or so I’m told...

    Other people being careless assholes who happily solicit trafficking rings does not make it acceptable behavior in this or any instance.

    I’m going to assume that 99.999repeating% of people that engage in this activity aren’t checking, aren’t worried, or are ignorant to the issue. I’m not defending him, I’m just saying your take is (while ideal) pure fantasy.

    Meanwhile, there were apparently six Chinese women who don’t speak English involved. So that’s a huge red flag. And I’m adjusting my opinion on the matter accordingly.

    Sports radio was just theorizing that this could be a franchise-altering, if not league-altering situation. They think he may be gone, not given a slap on the wrist.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Sports radio like to talk a lot of hyperbole.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    I think he should definitely be thrown out on his ass but I'll be surprised if anything more than a sizeable but inconsequential fine + public apology happen.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    A fine that will probably somehow help him with his tax breaks.

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    Fawst wrote: »
    Sports radio was just theorizing that this could be a franchise-altering, if not league-altering situation. They think he may be gone, not given a slap on the wrist.

    It would not surprise me slightly. Richardson was just forced by the league to sell his team for something minor compared to this. At the very least Jonathan (Kraft's son who's already team president) taking over seems likely

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    HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    Fawst wrote: »
    Sports radio was just theorizing that this could be a franchise-altering, if not league-altering situation. They think he may be gone, not given a slap on the wrist.

    It would not surprise me slightly. Richardson was just forced by the league to sell his team for something minor compared to this. At the very least Jonathan (Kraft's son who's already team president) taking over seems likely


    They could easily do a DeBartolo too...make him sit for a year knowing that he could use it as an excuse to quietly leave the franchise to family and exit the spotlight for a while.

    Inside of a dog...it's too dark to read.
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    y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Again, Patriots, with the balls deflating

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    maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Richardson did worse than someone soliciting a sex worker. Fucks sake, the Panthers’ new owner and his bronze, veiny dick-and-balls paperweight is far worse than soliciting a sex worker.

    The key is in determining Kraft’s culpability/awareness of the trafficking. If he knew or it is reasonable for him to have known, that’s basically jettison Kraft from the league straight into the sun.

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    FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
    Also hearing now that he’s not even the most prominent person on the list of those caught up in it. Huh.

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    HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    Richardson did worse than someone soliciting a sex worker. Fucks sake, the Panthers’ new owner and his bronze, veiny dick-and-balls paperweight is far worse than soliciting a sex worker.

    The key is in determining Kraft’s culpability/awareness of the trafficking. If he knew or it is reasonable for him to have known, that’s basically jettison Kraft from the league straight into the sun.

    if he knew, he has bigger concerns than the franchise, he could be sharing a cell with R. Kelly.

    Inside of a dog...it's too dark to read.
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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Deadspin puts it simply - I Can't Wait To See How Roger Goodell Screws This Up:
    Please note that I absolutely am not calling for Goodell to do anything at all to punish Kraft for his involvement in this. Properly speaking, this is none of the league office’s business at this point, or possibly ever, just like any number of off-field player incidents also have been none of Goodell’s business. I am just saying that whatever he does, you can be sure it will be stupid, and bad, and will make things worse, and many people will have good reason to call him a fucking idiot for it. This is gonna rule.

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    lazegamerlazegamer The magnanimous cyberspaceRegistered User regular
    I don't know what world people are living in that think someone without a criminal history and the resources to afford competent counsel would end up in prison for soliciting sex.

    I would download a car.
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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    lazegamer wrote: »
    I don't know what world people are living in that think someone without a criminal history and the resources to afford competent counsel would end up in prison for soliciting sex.

    Soliciting sex is ::raspberry sounds::

    It’s the trafficking part

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Reading an article about this on The Ringer, it looks like over the course of the investigation they recorded two separate incidents where Kraft was involved. Not just a one time visit apparently.

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    lazegamerlazegamer The magnanimous cyberspaceRegistered User regular
    lazegamer wrote: »
    I don't know what world people are living in that think someone without a criminal history and the resources to afford competent counsel would end up in prison for soliciting sex.

    Soliciting sex is ::raspberry sounds::

    It’s the trafficking part

    Following this to it's end, people think that everyone caught soliciting is going to be charged with a count of human trafficking? Because that's not going to happen. If there is evidence that these women were held against their will, that charge is going to be on their captors.

    I would download a car.
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    HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    lazegamer wrote: »
    I don't know what world people are living in that think someone without a criminal history and the resources to afford competent counsel would end up in prison for soliciting sex.

    Soliciting sex is ::raspberry sounds::

    It’s the trafficking part

    This...both legally and morally I couldn't care less about the solicitation. Hell I think sex work should be legalized and regulated for the safety of those involved. But trafficking is an entirely different subject. If he was complicit or even knew...I hope and pray that losing his franchise is the minimum of what comes his way.

    Inside of a dog...it's too dark to read.
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    MadpoetMadpoet Registered User regular
    I hold him responsible for the trafficking as much as I hold potheads responsible for cartel beheadings. The fault lies with the people actually committing the crimes and the ones refusing to discuss rational laws to regulate the sex industry.

    Other part of my brain: But it's fucking trivial to find a 100% consenting escort. They advertise on twitter. They take Venmo. Why would you pick someone that obviously has a pimp and doesn't even speak the language?

    I can't condemn an old-ass widower for paying for a handy, but I can't defend not finding an ethically sourced sex worker.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2019
    Picture this

    You walk into this "massage parlor" you're greeted by a woman, probably Asian, speaking perfect English. She claps and several young, petite Asian girls step out in all manner of dress.

    They don't speak, she does all of the talking for them. They don't look happy, some probably look scared.

    Yet, it never occurs to you that maybe something more illegal I than prostitution s going on here?

    Bullshit. He knew what he was doing. He's a billionaire, he went there for a very specific reason.

    I'm waiting to find out some of the girls are underage but i don't know if you can. prove that without something like a birth certificate.

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    Picture this

    You walk into this "massage parlor" you're greeted by a woman, probably Asian, speaking perfect English. She claps and several young, petite Asian girls step out in all manner of dress.

    They don't speak, she does all of the talking for them. They don't look happy, some probably look scared.

    Yet, it never occurs to you that maybe something more illegal I than prostitution s going on here?

    Bullshit. He knew what he was doing. He's a billionaire, he went there for a very specific reason.

    Especially if he was there multiple times like more journalists are starting to report

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    BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    And if he got caught on tape twice, I find it unlikely that he was only there twice. It's possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. He went back to this place specifically.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I am 100% on the side of legal, consensual prostitution.

    This is something else. Something that's probably very gross.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Legalizing prostitution would probably do more to hurt human trafficking than any amount of law enforcement could.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Legalizing prostitution would probably do more to hurt human trafficking than any amount of law enforcement could.

    No probably about it, if you actually care about protecting sex workers the way you accomplish that is by legalizing it.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that even if you solicit prostitution from a trafficked sex worker then you are taking part in it.

    Like, there are some really harsh federal laws when it comes to human trafficking.

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    XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    ok so everyone but the Patriots and Cowboys can come to the AAF

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    Legalizing prostitution would probably do more to hurt human trafficking than any amount of law enforcement could.

    No probably about it, if you actually care about protecting sex workers the way you accomplish that is by legalizing it.

    sex trafficking is still a pretty major problem in places where prostitution is legal and regulated, it's not a magic catchall like people seem to think

    major oversight is still needed even after legalization

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