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[SCOTUS] Kavanaugh hearings etc - time to get even madder
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I'm on my phone so I'll put the OP in later.
If you are here to post about the country ending or just rant about how shitty the GOP or the Democratic Party are then take off to somewhere else.
Unrelenting despair isn't productive here.
/bangs gavel
If you are here to post about the country ending or just rant about how shitty the GOP or the Democratic Party are then take off to somewhere else.
Unrelenting despair isn't productive here.
/bangs gavel
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Via impeachment, sure.
Otherwise no.
Justices can only be removed by impeachment and conviction in the Senate. So the House can impeach him but the Senate would require 67 Senators to remove.
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Then there's a cloture vote or something on Saturday, then the full Senate vote on Tuesday.
That's the plan I saw in the previous thread, so I wanted to make sure that was clear for this one.
Yeah, but this was true no matter what. Anyone who could possibly be confirmed would do this. It's why my wife and I didn't bother to wait for a nominee, instead beginning to amass the information and documents needed for emigration the night he announced his retirement.
That's still my understanding, yup.
So... I thought this had to be done by Oct 1 for Kavanaugh to make the fall term. Is that correct, or can he basically jump in at any time?
imagine you're jeff flake and probably your last notable legislative achievement before you resign "with your dignity in tact" is to be the vote that puts an aggressively unrepentant rapist on the supreme court
It's best to remember that Kennedy was always gonna be replaced by a partisan hack. That's the only thing Republicans have put on the bench for decades. There is nothing unexpected about that part and it was a very slim to non-existent hope that even if Kavanaugh goes down McConnell wouldn't jam a justice through before the next Congress.
The only really new thing we are getting here is going in eyes open about what a piece of shit Kavanaugh really is, above and beyond just the normal "being a Republican" levels of terrible personness. It's going to be depressing to watch if he ends up confirmed, but at least we know. Hopefully this doesn't go the way of Thomas and get swept under the rug and lost to history. I have plenty of hope there, given the visibility of these issues these days.
In the process of that could launch a real investigation, which would be fun times for the country.
It's way too much to expect of her, but I hope Blasey Ford presses charges now.
Can she? I would assume that would be up to the DA.
Regarding whoever replied to me at the end of last thread, whether they have the votes or not, McConnell has clear motivation to do this fast. If Kav gets voted down they still need time to ram the next person through. I'm still holding out hope.
how can they live like this
Assuming they do vote to confirm, what have they really done here? I'd argue that they haven't actually added further injury beyond what they were already going to inflict no matter what and what they've already inflicted. What they're doing is adding insult to injury, by confirming a man who is vicious to women so that he can vote to take rights away from women.
And frankly? That's a pretty stupid thing for them to do. People are already angry. Are they banking on people already being as angry as they're going to get? Because what I've seen in the past few days suggests that's dead wrong. That's why you see people like McConnell and Graham essentially having freakouts in the media--because they feel the political pressure bearing down on them.
This confirmation is a Pyrrhic victory for them. We can make it so. Let's be sure that we do.
I should say file a criminal complaint to be accurate, but I think we got my meaning.
The big issue for me, beyond the rapist stuff, is that Kavanaugh is an openly partisen hack who very clearly is going to do his damn bestest to make sure Trump and his admin is protected from any repercussions of their actions. (This goes beyond the Russia investigation and into every single shred of malfeasance we've witnessed so far.)
Like, there's plenty of federalist judges who would be terrible for this country, but MIGHT draw the line at anointing a god king.
No.
Not that anyone will change their vote; just curious.
not likely unless the vote somehow doesn't happen before the next session
their best bet in the senate is i think 52 seats, which would be basically winning every single race, and they would need 67 votes to actually remove him
either that or court stacking, which would require a democrat president, so couldn't happen until at least 2021
There are theoretical mechanisms (ie - impeachment) but they require a number of votes in the Senate that it is essentially impossible for Democrats to achieve. Beyond that, they can pack the court. There are no other options.
Only if they also take the senate, and even then, no, they can only mitigate it through court packing.
Oh wait, nevermind, Chanus is right, forgot about the need for a D president.
Removing him will likely take multiple blue waves, and a conscious, continual outpouring of anger to remind the democratic party that their voters have not forgotten that a rapist is on the Supreme Court, and want him removed.
They will vote again, as well as for cloture, etc.
A Democratic House could try impeaching him 67 or 68 times, I hear that's a pretty popular strategy in recent years
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Committee is voting their recommendation, and then it goes to the full senate
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The Republican Party has put a rapist in both the White House and the Supreme Court.
They could hand wave away Trump as the will of the voters, but this is completely on them now. They are the rape party.
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I'm amazed that the Dems don't bring him up constantly.
Not really. It takes 66 senators to impeach, at most the democrats can only get about 52 or so this year. In a favorable environment and with a blue wave, like with Obama in 2008, the the democrats got 60 seats, so that's about the ceiling.
This is a vote on recommendation for the full Senate. Which will vote on Tuesday supposedly.
Yep, they've an okay chance at getting back a majority in the house come November, but no way could they get a simple majority in the Senate and make enough Pubs flip to get a full impeachment vote in the higher ranking body, which is the one invested with the power to censure and remove from office.
Although, a House impeachment would at least get a full investigation rolling.
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CBS Anchor says that "Flake was caught in a situation where there was no right or wrong answer," referring to when he was stuck in an elevator listening to protesters tell him their about their experiences with abuse and how he was letting them and all women down.
Yeah, lady, I think there's a right answer to that. I can think of a couple.
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Yes, I very strongly agree.
The nature of American politics is that the democrats will not present it as such unless there is an aggressive push from voters to tell them that they think of the GOP that way.
when having to choose between being a piece of shit and not being a piece of shit, who can say?
The name should have tipped us off.
Total reversal of Roe vs Wade
Internment camps for Muslim Americans (in addition to the ones that he already has for immigrants).
Death penalty for drug dealers
Permanently remove 3-4 million Democratic voters from the rolls.
Complete shutdown of all FBI investigations against Republicans
Ignoring presidential term limits
And these are just the ones he has already thought of. We are entering a new phase here with this nomination, and I do not expect it to end in my lifetime.