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[SCOTUS] Kavanaugh hearings etc - time to get even madder

So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
edited October 2018 in Debate and/or Discourse
I'm on my phone so I'll put the OP in later.

If you are here to post about the country ending or just rant about how shitty the GOP or the Democratic Party are then take off to somewhere else.

Unrelenting despair isn't productive here.


/bangs gavel

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    AbsalonAbsalon Lands of Always WinterRegistered User regular
    Does the house of representatives have any ability to torment Kavanaugh?

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Harris, Hirono and Blumenthaul just walked out of the hearing

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Does the house of representatives have any ability to torment Kavanaugh?

    Via impeachment, sure.

    Otherwise no.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Does the house of representatives have any ability to torment Kavanaugh?

    Justices can only be removed by impeachment and conviction in the Senate. So the House can impeach him but the Senate would require 67 Senators to remove.

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    SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    The plan as I understand it is the Judiciary committee is voting this morning? Maybe have voted already?

    Then there's a cloture vote or something on Saturday, then the full Senate vote on Tuesday.

    That's the plan I saw in the previous thread, so I wanted to make sure that was clear for this one.

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    SyphonBlue wrote:
    Kennedy was at least a swing vote when it came to matters like LGBT rights. Kavanaugh will vote to roll ALL those rights back and he'll do it with a fucking smile on his face.

    Yeah, but this was true no matter what. Anyone who could possibly be confirmed would do this. It's why my wife and I didn't bother to wait for a nominee, instead beginning to amass the information and documents needed for emigration the night he announced his retirement.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
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    iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    Selner wrote: »
    That new thread smell!

    The plan as I understand it is the Judiciary committee is voting this morning? Maybe have voted already?

    Then there's a cloture vote or something on Saturday, then the full Senate vote on Tuesday.

    That's the plan I saw in the previous thread, so I wanted to make sure that was clear for this one.

    That's still my understanding, yup.

    So... I thought this had to be done by Oct 1 for Kavanaugh to make the fall term. Is that correct, or can he basically jump in at any time?

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    i just

    imagine you're jeff flake and probably your last notable legislative achievement before you resign "with your dignity in tact" is to be the vote that puts an aggressively unrepentant rapist on the supreme court

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Re: feeling down right now because of what is going on

    It's best to remember that Kennedy was always gonna be replaced by a partisan hack. That's the only thing Republicans have put on the bench for decades. There is nothing unexpected about that part and it was a very slim to non-existent hope that even if Kavanaugh goes down McConnell wouldn't jam a justice through before the next Congress.

    The only really new thing we are getting here is going in eyes open about what a piece of shit Kavanaugh really is, above and beyond just the normal "being a Republican" levels of terrible personness. It's going to be depressing to watch if he ends up confirmed, but at least we know. Hopefully this doesn't go the way of Thomas and get swept under the rug and lost to history. I have plenty of hope there, given the visibility of these issues these days.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    Does the house of representatives have any ability to torment Kavanaugh?

    Via impeachment, sure.

    Otherwise no.

    In the process of that could launch a real investigation, which would be fun times for the country.

    It's way too much to expect of her, but I hope Blasey Ford presses charges now.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    Dumb question, but what are the limits on pursuing perjury based on his intentional misrepresentations yesterday? I know that as of today, that would seemingly fall on the committee, and current leadership ain’t having it. Even assuming it can be shown he lied, they’ll let it pass.

    But assuming Democrats can take the Senate, could they have charges brought based on his testimony today? Or does the ability to do that die with the current Congress? Maybe they don’t have the votes for impeachment, but could they just make this a criminal matter and let it lead where it may?

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    Does the house of representatives have any ability to torment Kavanaugh?

    Via impeachment, sure.

    Otherwise no.

    In the process of that could launch a real investigation, which would be fun times for the country.

    It's way too much to expect of her, but I hope Blasey Ford presses charges now.

    Can she? I would assume that would be up to the DA.

    Regarding whoever replied to me at the end of last thread, whether they have the votes or not, McConnell has clear motivation to do this fast. If Kav gets voted down they still need time to ram the next person through. I'm still holding out hope.

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    i just

    imagine you're jeff flake and probably your last notable legislative achievement before you resign "with your dignity in tact" is to be the vote that puts an aggressively unrepentant rapist on the supreme court
    i genuinely just don't understand any of these people

    how can they live like this

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    OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    So, where I'm at with this is, SCotUS was pretty much already lost when Trump became President. I had to make peace with that, and its repercussions, almost two years ago. What's new about this is that we now know Kavanaugh, beyond being ideologically conservative, is possibly compromised and corrupt, probably a rapist (or at least attempted-rapist), and is a partisan hack. But the country already elected to its highest office a man who represents all those things. What have we actually found out? That the GOP is okay with sexual predators holding high offices? Already knew that. That they're okay with corruption and with leaving probable corruption uninvestigated when it might threaten their hold on power? Already knew that too.

    Assuming they do vote to confirm, what have they really done here? I'd argue that they haven't actually added further injury beyond what they were already going to inflict no matter what and what they've already inflicted. What they're doing is adding insult to injury, by confirming a man who is vicious to women so that he can vote to take rights away from women.

    And frankly? That's a pretty stupid thing for them to do. People are already angry. Are they banking on people already being as angry as they're going to get? Because what I've seen in the past few days suggests that's dead wrong. That's why you see people like McConnell and Graham essentially having freakouts in the media--because they feel the political pressure bearing down on them.

    This confirmation is a Pyrrhic victory for them. We can make it so. Let's be sure that we do.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    Does the house of representatives have any ability to torment Kavanaugh?

    Via impeachment, sure.

    Otherwise no.

    In the process of that could launch a real investigation, which would be fun times for the country.

    It's way too much to expect of her, but I hope Blasey Ford presses charges now.

    Can she? I would assume that would be up to the DA.

    Regarding whoever replied to me at the end of last thread, whether they have the votes or not, McConnell has clear motivation to do this fast. If Kav gets voted down they still need time to ram the next person through. I'm still holding out hope.

    I should say file a criminal complaint to be accurate, but I think we got my meaning.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    So it's down to relying on Murkowski and Collins to have a soul, again.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Re: feeling down right now because of what is going on

    It's best to remember that Kennedy was always gonna be replaced by a partisan hack. That's the only thing Republicans have put on the bench for decades. There is nothing unexpected about that part and it was a very slim to non-existent hope that even if Kavanaugh goes down McConnell wouldn't jam a justice through before the next Congress.

    The only really new thing we are getting here is going in eyes open about what a piece of shit Kavanaugh really is, above and beyond just the normal "being a Republican" levels of terrible personness. It's going to be depressing to watch if he ends up confirmed, but at least we know. Hopefully this doesn't go the way of Thomas and get swept under the rug and lost to history. I have plenty of hope there, given the visibility of these issues these days.

    The big issue for me, beyond the rapist stuff, is that Kavanaugh is an openly partisen hack who very clearly is going to do his damn bestest to make sure Trump and his admin is protected from any repercussions of their actions. (This goes beyond the Russia investigation and into every single shred of malfeasance we've witnessed so far.)

    Like, there's plenty of federalist judges who would be terrible for this country, but MIGHT draw the line at anointing a god king.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

    No.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Do the committee need to revote with the full senate, or does this count as their confirmation vote?

    Not that anyone will change their vote; just curious.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

    not likely unless the vote somehow doesn't happen before the next session

    their best bet in the senate is i think 52 seats, which would be basically winning every single race, and they would need 67 votes to actually remove him

    either that or court stacking, which would require a democrat president, so couldn't happen until at least 2021

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

    There are theoretical mechanisms (ie - impeachment) but they require a number of votes in the Senate that it is essentially impossible for Democrats to achieve. Beyond that, they can pack the court. There are no other options.

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited September 2018
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

    Only if they also take the senate, and even then, no, they can only mitigate it through court packing.

    Oh wait, nevermind, Chanus is right, forgot about the need for a D president.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

    Removing him will likely take multiple blue waves, and a conscious, continual outpouring of anger to remind the democratic party that their voters have not forgotten that a rapist is on the Supreme Court, and want him removed.

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    ChaosHatChaosHat Hop, hop, hop, HA! Trick of the lightRegistered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Do the committee need to revote with the full senate, or does this count as their confirmation vote?

    Not that anyone will change their vote; just curious.

    They will vote again, as well as for cloture, etc.

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    RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    Does the house of representatives have any ability to torment Kavanaugh?

    Justices can only be removed by impeachment and conviction in the Senate. So the House can impeach him but the Senate would require 67 Senators to remove.

    A Democratic House could try impeaching him 67 or 68 times, I hear that's a pretty popular strategy in recent years

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Do the committee need to revote with the full senate, or does this count as their confirmation vote?

    Not that anyone will change their vote; just curious.

    Committee is voting their recommendation, and then it goes to the full senate

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Sen. Leahy just brought up Merrick Garland. Finally someone remembers him.

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    JepheryJephery Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

    Removing him will likely take multiple blue waves, and a conscious, continual outpouring of anger to remind the democratic party that their voters have not forgotten that a rapist is on the Supreme Court, and want him removed.

    The Republican Party has put a rapist in both the White House and the Supreme Court.

    They could hand wave away Trump as the will of the voters, but this is completely on them now. They are the rape party.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Sen. Leahy just brought up Merrick Garland. Finally someone remembers him.

    I'm amazed that the Dems don't bring him up constantly.

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    KleinKlein Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

    Not really. It takes 66 senators to impeach, at most the democrats can only get about 52 or so this year. In a favorable environment and with a blue wave, like with Obama in 2008, the the democrats got 60 seats, so that's about the ceiling.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Do the committee need to revote with the full senate, or does this count as their confirmation vote?

    Not that anyone will change their vote; just curious.

    This is a vote on recommendation for the full Senate. Which will vote on Tuesday supposedly.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

    No.

    Yep, they've an okay chance at getting back a majority in the house come November, but no way could they get a simple majority in the Senate and make enough Pubs flip to get a full impeachment vote in the higher ranking body, which is the one invested with the power to censure and remove from office.

    Although, a House impeachment would at least get a full investigation rolling.

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    RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular

    CBS Anchor says that "Flake was caught in a situation where there was no right or wrong answer," referring to when he was stuck in an elevator listening to protesters tell him their about their experiences with abuse and how he was letting them and all women down.

    Yeah, lady, I think there's a right answer to that. I can think of a couple.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Jephery wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    So theoretically, if the "blue wave" happens and dems get a nice majority in November, can they undo this travesty?

    Removing him will likely take multiple blue waves, and a conscious, continual outpouring of anger to remind the democratic party that their voters have not forgotten that a rapist is on the Supreme Court, and want him removed.

    The Republican Party has put a rapist in both the White House and the Supreme Court.

    They could hand wave away Trump as the will of the voters, but this is completely on them now. They are the rape party.

    Yes, I very strongly agree.

    The nature of American politics is that the democrats will not present it as such unless there is an aggressive push from voters to tell them that they think of the GOP that way.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Rius wrote: »

    CBS Anchor says that "Flake was caught in a situation where there was no right or wrong answer," referring to when he was stuck in an elevator listening to protesters tell him their about their experiences with abuse and how he was letting them and all women down.

    Yeah, lady, I think there's a right answer to that. I can think of a couple.

    when having to choose between being a piece of shit and not being a piece of shit, who can say?

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    Whoever said Flake will disappoint you was right on the money.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Whoever said Flake will disappoint you was right on the money.

    The name should have tipped us off.

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    Monsieur TMonsieur T Registered User regular
    Think about all the plans that Trump has floated that he could not really accomplish with Kennedy on the court but now with Kavanaugh he can.

    Total reversal of Roe vs Wade
    Internment camps for Muslim Americans (in addition to the ones that he already has for immigrants).
    Death penalty for drug dealers
    Permanently remove 3-4 million Democratic voters from the rolls.
    Complete shutdown of all FBI investigations against Republicans
    Ignoring presidential term limits


    And these are just the ones he has already thought of. We are entering a new phase here with this nomination, and I do not expect it to end in my lifetime.


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