The party with more members gets the majority which gives you power like what McConnell is using to destroy this country. As well as stuff like who gets chairs and stuff on committees
It’s useful to have him even if he isn’t useful in votes
Only if the majority votes on the same majority leader, which would not be a lock with Manchin.
Manchin’s vote on this depresses Democrats and voters everywhere in every state
We can either continue to pay that “both sides are the same, at least one Dem voted for the rapist” cost that makes everyone everywhere feel like politics doesn’t matter and voting is useless
Or we could primary his ass and have a chance at winning that seat with a Democrat who votes a little more often with us
At this point why not? I’ve defended keeping Manchin but this vote is beyond the fucking pale, for him and every other yes
I mean, we can't. So the question is what you do if you're in West Virginia in 32 days. Definitely not a campaign you contribute to though.
It shouldn't change the rest of the country's outlook on the Democratic Party though. They voted no except for him. Even people who were probably told it was bad for them politically like McCaskill and Heitkamp and Donnelly.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
The other day I was going to make a joke about how the thread title kept proving itself ever more accurate.
Today that seems even truer, but substantially less funny.
I'm not surprised, but remain furious at those who have chosen this path all the same. I don't care if it's in their nature, the fabled scorpion is still an asshole (no I also don't care that this analogy/tale doesn't line up perfectly either).
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Manchin’s vote on this depresses Democrats and voters everywhere in every state
We can either continue to pay that “both sides are the same, at least one Dem voted for the rapist” cost that makes everyone everywhere feel like politics doesn’t matter and voting is useless
Or we could primary his ass and have a chance at winning that seat with a Democrat who votes a little more often with us
At this point why not? I’ve defended keeping Manchin but this vote is beyond the fucking pale, for him and every other yes
I mean, we can't. So the question is what you do if you're in West Virginia in 32 days. Definitely not a campaign you contribute to though.
It shouldn't change the rest of the country's outlook on the Democratic Party though. They voted no except for him. Even people who were probably told it was bad for them politically like McCaskill and Heitkamp and Donnelly.
The nihilistic left will still paint it as “both sides” and stay home on Voting day.
If you want Manchin out over his impending vote for Kavanaugh, I think we need to understand where you can push effectively.
I think we need to change the ground underneath him. Push the culture in West Virginia around. Make it so people are more socially connected. Push them to actually believe in having a democratic government that functions. Build toward the majority of people in WV cannot believe someone like Kavanaugh's lies and bullshit, and will not tolerate a Senator who does.
Manchin is a symptom. Not supporting him will not solve the problem. Push the people so that Manchin gets primaried out from the progressive side, and that candidate goes on to win the general even harder.
This is also how you push around the Supreme Court by the way, such as we can.
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FYI, the opposition fund for Collins' opponent is back online, and is up to nearly $2.1 Million.
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Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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thank you Harry Reid for invoking the nuclear option and dispensing with filibustering. Im sure it was worth it.
Nope. I wanna go there, but I just can't, because the first shot was fired by McConnell refusing to accept *any* Obama judiciary appointments, putting the country in a serious judicial crisis.
That's where the system was broken by bad faith actors. Everything since has just been the inevitable spiral.
thank you Harry Reid for invoking the nuclear option and dispensing with filibustering. Im sure it was worth it.
democrats never do anything and the gop breaks all the rules so why bother doing anything
democrats cause all the rules to be broken so it's not the gop's fault so why bother doing anything
ok.
harry reid's greatest flaw was not dispensing the non-scotus judicial filibuster, but not doing it sooner! recognizing the game that was being played is easy from 2018 without the many years of belief in institutions and norms that had yet to be entirely torn down though.
This is just some guy, but “legitimacy crisis” is underselling it
We literally live under minority rule
I don’t think it’s doomsaying to ask at what point we are literally no longer a functioning democracy
Conservatives are trying to turn the majority into a minority. If you are in the latter category, it is worth thinking about how conservatives treat minorities in America.
The party with more members gets the majority which gives you power like what McConnell is using to destroy this country. As well as stuff like who gets chairs and stuff on committees
It’s useful to have him even if he isn’t useful in votes
Useful in some sense, sure. But it feels like a Faustian bargain at times like this.
It presumes one believes he’d not vote for McConnel
Grassley says they can't get any Republican women on Judiciary because Judiciary is a lot of work and it's just too much for their ladybrains. But yeah, sure, this was a fair hearing.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
This is just some guy, but “legitimacy crisis” is underselling it
We literally live under minority rule
I don’t think it’s doomsaying to ask at what point we are literally no longer a functioning democracy
This is old news. The way America's system was designed is to have some votes be more equal than others.
Reminder that American Society has had to goddamn claw the franchise into the hands of the wider citizenry and away from being the sole domain of white male landed gentry from the very founding
The party with more members gets the majority which gives you power like what McConnell is using to destroy this country. As well as stuff like who gets chairs and stuff on committees
It’s useful to have him even if he isn’t useful in votes
Useful in some sense, sure. But it feels like a Faustian bargain at times like this.
It presumes one believes he’d not vote for McConnel
After this I have no trust he wouldn’t
Unless he explicitly starts caucusing with the Republicans, he doesn't have the option to vote for McConnell. It's not like the House where everyone votes for speaker. The party with the biggest caucus gets the leadership no matter what.
Grassley says they can't get any Republican women on Judiciary because Judiciary is a lot of work and it's just too much for their ladybrains. But yeah, sure, this was a fair hearing.
I can quite believe that Republican female politicians are all idiots, after today.
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I don't speak French, but I'm assuming that means wealthy, connected men can do whatever the goose they want.
Republicans have trouble taking this seriously given Senator Feinstein and her colleagues did literally this in 1999
Only if the majority votes on the same majority leader, which would not be a lock with Manchin.
I mean, we can't. So the question is what you do if you're in West Virginia in 32 days. Definitely not a campaign you contribute to though.
It shouldn't change the rest of the country's outlook on the Democratic Party though. They voted no except for him. Even people who were probably told it was bad for them politically like McCaskill and Heitkamp and Donnelly.
Today that seems even truer, but substantially less funny.
I'm not surprised, but remain furious at those who have chosen this path all the same. I don't care if it's in their nature, the fabled scorpion is still an asshole (no I also don't care that this analogy/tale doesn't line up perfectly either).
The nihilistic left will still paint it as “both sides” and stay home on Voting day.
Menza is a writer who has written for Vogue and Vanity Fair and Susan Collins is a thousand fetid beetles in a human suit
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Hey, it's been working pretty great for him! No wonder more people are jumping on that train.
It literally means 'right of the lord of the manor'. So, yeah.
I need to not pay attention to politics or humanity in general for a bit
What a fucking crock of shit. This terrible thing I did is your fault. Language of an abuser.
I think we need to change the ground underneath him. Push the culture in West Virginia around. Make it so people are more socially connected. Push them to actually believe in having a democratic government that functions. Build toward the majority of people in WV cannot believe someone like Kavanaugh's lies and bullshit, and will not tolerate a Senator who does.
Manchin is a symptom. Not supporting him will not solve the problem. Push the people so that Manchin gets primaried out from the progressive side, and that candidate goes on to win the general even harder.
This is also how you push around the Supreme Court by the way, such as we can.
This is just some guy, but “legitimacy crisis” is underselling it
We literally live under minority rule
I don’t think it’s doomsaying to ask at what point we are literally no longer a functioning democracy
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Because that was a sacred line which Mitch McConnell would never cross!
Just, fucking own your shit, conservatives.
That's kind of a GOP standby. It's the basis for why so many Congresspeople refuse to hold town hall events in their home districts anymore.
Then when their constituents come to their DC offices, they're being "bullied".
This is old news. The way America's system was designed is to have some votes be more equal than others.
Nope. I wanna go there, but I just can't, because the first shot was fired by McConnell refusing to accept *any* Obama judiciary appointments, putting the country in a serious judicial crisis.
That's where the system was broken by bad faith actors. Everything since has just been the inevitable spiral.
democrats never do anything and the gop breaks all the rules so why bother doing anything
democrats cause all the rules to be broken so it's not the gop's fault so why bother doing anything
ok.
harry reid's greatest flaw was not dispensing the non-scotus judicial filibuster, but not doing it sooner! recognizing the game that was being played is easy from 2018 without the many years of belief in institutions and norms that had yet to be entirely torn down though.
Conservatives are trying to turn the majority into a minority. If you are in the latter category, it is worth thinking about how conservatives treat minorities in America.
It presumes one believes he’d not vote for McConnel
After this I have no trust he wouldn’t
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Grassley says they can't get any Republican women on Judiciary because Judiciary is a lot of work and it's just too much for their ladybrains. But yeah, sure, this was a fair hearing.
i wish i had something more insightful to say but god what a fuckin' sack of shit that dude is.
Reminder that American Society has had to goddamn claw the franchise into the hands of the wider citizenry and away from being the sole domain of white male landed gentry from the very founding
Unless he explicitly starts caucusing with the Republicans, he doesn't have the option to vote for McConnell. It's not like the House where everyone votes for speaker. The party with the biggest caucus gets the leadership no matter what.
I can quite believe that Republican female politicians are all idiots, after today.
they won the House by 2 million votes, not sure how they lost the senate by 10 million at the same time
California, with no Republican in the race.
(Kerry O’Malley is an actor)
(Emily Wilson is a classicist and translator)
It's an interview with Rebecca Traister on Women, Rage, and Power in America, and they talk extensively on the Kavanaugh situation. It's a good listen.
Ah, good point. That undercuts the legitimacy crisis angle a little bit.