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All I want for Secret Shamblers is blood [SE++ WoW]

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Javen wrote: »
    H0b0man wrote: »
    So there was a dev live stream earlier today. Wowhead has a write up here.

    Guess what, if you thought that maybe azerite traits should save based on what spec you're in or that they shouldn't cost money to reforge than you are dumb and also bad at game design. There is a line where he literally says that they want to reward somebody who only plays one spec verses somebody who swaps specs often.

    I said this in the WoW thread, but their argument of 'people end up swapping out items to maximize stats all the time when they change specs, and we didn't want azerite to be any different' is at least consistent, if not frustrating.

    Counterpoint

    Set pieces from last expansion worked no matter what spec you were in

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    H0b0man wrote: »
    So there was a dev live stream earlier today. Wowhead has a write up here.

    Guess what, if you thought that maybe azerite traits should save based on what spec you're in or that they shouldn't cost money to reforge than you are dumb and also bad at game design. There is a line where he literally says that they want to reward somebody who only plays one spec verses somebody who swaps specs often.

    I said this in the WoW thread, but their argument of 'people end up swapping out items to maximize stats all the time when they change specs, and we didn't want azerite to be any different' is at least consistent, if not frustrating.

    Counterpoint

    Set pieces from last expansion worked no matter what spec you were in

    Azerite doesn't have much in common with previous tier sets

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    H0b0man wrote: »
    So there was a dev live stream earlier today. Wowhead has a write up here.

    Guess what, if you thought that maybe azerite traits should save based on what spec you're in or that they shouldn't cost money to reforge than you are dumb and also bad at game design. There is a line where he literally says that they want to reward somebody who only plays one spec verses somebody who swaps specs often.

    I said this in the WoW thread, but their argument of 'people end up swapping out items to maximize stats all the time when they change specs, and we didn't want azerite to be any different' is at least consistent, if not frustrating.

    Counterpoint

    Set pieces from last expansion worked no matter what spec you were in

    Azerite doesn't have much in common with previous tier sets

    I disagree. They are armor pieces that provide extra bonuses outside of pure stats.

    And they changed their bonus powers based on your spec.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    I think instead of hoping people psychically understand they're intended to carry multiple azerite pieces for different specs and that the respec mechanic is basically only there in case you accidentally click the wrong thing on the ring, they should just say fuck it and make you able to change active azerite traits at any time for free.

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    H0b0man wrote: »
    So there was a dev live stream earlier today. Wowhead has a write up here.

    Guess what, if you thought that maybe azerite traits should save based on what spec you're in or that they shouldn't cost money to reforge than you are dumb and also bad at game design. There is a line where he literally says that they want to reward somebody who only plays one spec verses somebody who swaps specs often.

    I said this in the WoW thread, but their argument of 'people end up swapping out items to maximize stats all the time when they change specs, and we didn't want azerite to be any different' is at least consistent, if not frustrating.

    Counterpoint

    Set pieces from last expansion worked no matter what spec you were in

    Azerite doesn't have much in common with previous tier sets

    I disagree. They are armor pieces that provide extra bonuses outside of pure stats.

    And they changed their bonus powers based on your spec.

    I have to agree with Munkus. Last expansion I had a set of trinkets and rings in my bag I swapped out when I tanked, Leggos too, but my Tier stayed on all the time

    Now I have that, minus Leggos but plus Azerite gear.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    yeah that's a good point, with tier you'd wear that no matter what your spec most of the time which cut down on the amount of stuff you had to carry spares of with slightly more optimized secondaries.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I think instead of hoping people psychically understand they're intended to carry multiple azerite pieces for different specs and that the respec mechanic is basically only there in case you accidentally click the wrong thing on the ring, they should just say fuck it and make you able to change active azerite traits at any time for free.

    I think the weird wall people are placing between azerite gear and regular gear is leading to the difference in perception between the two, and is often ill-advised

  • H0b0manH0b0man Registered User regular
    The thing is that Ion specifically states that they didn't want the traits to feel like talent choices that just happen to be tied to your gear instead of your character, but it doesn't matter how much gold it costs to respec them, that's exactly what they are. Mostly boring talents that just give flat buffs and occasionally alter how a spec might play, up until that trait gets nerfed into the ground.

    Just accept how y'all designed the system and at the very least let us save azerite choices per spec.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    there is a conceptual void left by the removal of tier sets and azerite is gonna be put in it, square peg in round hole though it might be.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    there is a conceptual void left by the removal of tier sets and azerite is gonna be put in it, square peg in round hole though it might be.

    That's probably true, but is causing a lot of faulty feedback along with the genuine issues, and if it is that, I don't mind Blizzard calling out the community on it, rather than just capitulating and actually treating azerite like a tier replacement.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Also, other than trinkets, weapons and the dumb fucking Azerite gear, my damage and tank sets are exactly the same so I dunno wtf they are talking about.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    Also, other than trinkets, weapons and the dumb fucking Azerite gear, my damage and tank sets are exactly the same so I dunno wtf they are talking about.

    Is that because they have the same stat priority, or because you just haven't farmed other pieces yet to match each spec?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Also, other than trinkets, weapons and the dumb fucking Azerite gear, my damage and tank sets are exactly the same so I dunno wtf they are talking about.

    Is that because they have the same stat priority, or because you just haven't farmed other pieces yet to match each spec?

    They have roughly the same stat priority. I want haste and strength in DPS and I want haste and strength in tank.

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  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    A 370 with bad secondaries is much better than a 370 with zero beneficial traits, is the sticking point. I’d be fine with playing shadow with a wacky, bad stat priority when I swap to it from holy, but it’s annoying that I can’t use my higher ilevel azerite for shadow essentially *at all*.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    there's a world quest in zuldazar for a toy right now

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    there's a world quest in zuldazar for a toy right now

    What toy?

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    Echoes of Rezan
    it's very boring, you just play a quiet roar sound effect, only of value to toy completionists

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  • XehalusXehalus lofi Registered User regular
    ok so I need to roll 3 warlocks each with a single and aoe azerite set

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  • WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular

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  • XehalusXehalus lofi Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    I got an idea for azerite gear

    we start a questline where we end up meeting N'Zoth and he sees our azerite armor and necklace and he just slaps the shit out of us with a tentacle and it breaks all the equipped and pieces in our bag and deletes them instantly while we get a debuff that doesn't allow us to equip any more and they have an excuse to move back to tier sets

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  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    zuldazar gonna fall

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  • The Cow KingThe Cow King Walls of Jakiro Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    I didnt take logs but I did stream the thing if you want to see things go horribly wrong

    or you can marvel at how good Walt and I are at the orb, aside from that one time I let him die before I realized I can just moonfire walk the entire thing

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    I got hit by less orbs than I feared but more orbs than I hoped

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  • ShabootyShabooty Registered User regular
    if i was there you know i'd be getting hit by orbs

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  • ShabootyShabooty Registered User regular
    orbs

    gotta TOUCH THEM

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  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »

    i was in the orb dodging zone every moment of every attempt and only had 11 hits

    dodge the damn orbs

  • ShabootyShabooty Registered User regular
    DAMN THE DODGE ORBS

  • Seattle ThreadSeattle Thread Registered User regular
    Oof, over 20% of my orb hits were on those last two attempts... especially the 2% try

    Still I blame Fodo

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Luckily all but like 3 of my hits were from the first 30 seconds of the fight when shit went sideways fast, or after half the raid had already died

  • Coconut MonkeyCoconut Monkey Registered User regular
    I wish I coulda been there to get hit by orbs.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    I'm trying to figure out why I did more DPS on G'huun himself than Zau did when we did about the same on the gibbering horrors
    mongoose bite might be a bad talent for this fight? that's all I got

    hmm maybe you were out of melee range a lot? seems like I had a lot more white damage on him despite swinging for about the same amount

    wait was zau on orb duty in part 2? that's probably why if so

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  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    I'm not sure which is more disheartening; my parses, or my shitty orb dodges.

    God fucking damn it.

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  • The Cow KingThe Cow King Walls of Jakiro Registered User regular
    ugh zay got two less hits then I did

    burn him at the stake I say

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  • ShabootyShabooty Registered User regular
  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    i think this is the count of people who FUCKED UP during the 1% wipe and got hit by an orb during the phase change

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w8AJ6k3v7PyfbC1Y/#type=damage-taken&fight=32&ability=273486&start=12462010&end=12504861

    you're all on notice, especially zeny

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    I'll kill them all!

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Zay wrote: »
    i think this is the count of people who FUCKED UP during the 1% wipe and got hit by an orb during the phase change

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w8AJ6k3v7PyfbC1Y/#type=damage-taken&fight=32&ability=273486&start=12462010&end=12504861

    you're all on notice, especially zeny

    Honestly though, for full disclosure, I'm gonna be looking at these logs pretty closely and maintaining our raid size based on mechanics performance the next time we get there

    so if you were bad on orbs today, don't also be bad at orbs next week

    Based on other parses, our damage is actually pretty good. If we can actually manage to not fuck it up, only having to actually kill 1 add in phase 2 is really good, numbers-wise.

    So focus on doing mechanics.

  • ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Zay wrote: »
    i think this is the count of people who FUCKED UP during the 1% wipe and got hit by an orb during the phase change

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w8AJ6k3v7PyfbC1Y/#type=damage-taken&fight=32&ability=273486&start=12462010&end=12504861

    you're all on notice, especially zeny

    I submit exhibit A for my defense

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    I got hit by an orb in a corner before the beam even came down. I cannot be blamed for everyone elses shenanigans.

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    you can and WILL be blamed

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