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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Yeah I feel like the only advice I'm getting about how to get better is "Do more damage" but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong? I might swap to an enchment shaman with resto backup (or resto main if one of our healers would rather DPS) because as much as I love playing a Warrior, its not fun to not be helping

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Maybe stream a raid and then we can look at what you're doing?

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    I certainly know the feeling.

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Use the warrior discord and ask someone to look at the logs and parse what abilities you're using at what timings with what buffs. I had Jak look at my holy priest parses back in Nighthold and he found a glaring error with my use of Prayer of Mending when it was likely to only bounce once or twice and that there were important outbound damage windows it was more useful in. Mythic raiders deep dive their logs and compare them to other mythic raiders and talk about what they find optimal and try to work towards perfect. The resources are out there.

    BucketmanSmrtnik
  • The Cow KingThe Cow King Walls of Jakiro Registered User regular
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Huzza, I have managed to massively improve my damage output compare to previously.

    Huzza.

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  • The Cow KingThe Cow King Walls of Jakiro Registered User regular
    edited February 13
    that opulence is better then I thought considering I did not have a gem

    i have to much ilvl carrying me and now im parsing with the actual boomkin's who know how to play !!!!

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Use the warrior discord and ask someone to look at the logs and parse what abilities you're using at what timings with what buffs. I had Jak look at my holy priest parses back in Nighthold and he found a glaring error with my use of Prayer of Mending when it was likely to only bounce once or twice and that there were important outbound damage windows it was more useful in. Mythic raiders deep dive their logs and compare them to other mythic raiders and talk about what they find optimal and try to work towards perfect. The resources are out there.

    Oh I didn't even think about discord, I've been asking on reddit and the wow forums but I absolutely forgot about that. Is there like an office discord for each class?

  • ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Yeah I feel like the only advice I'm getting about how to get better is "Do more damage" but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong? I might swap to an enchment shaman with resto backup (or resto main if one of our healers would rather DPS) because as much as I love playing a Warrior, its not fun to not be helping


    I dont know which fights are easy and which can be padded and which are maybe mechanical failures. So im going to compare you to another dude on grong normal because its the first fight and there's probably not a lot of chances to be a padding boy on it from what I can see, and I assume the mechanics it has are few and far inbetween.

    grong normal
    You did a 17th% in ilvl or whatever
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QJgmK31MbBwA8d6X#fight=8&type=damage-done

    This guy at the same ilvl in a fight that was shorter by 3 seconds was 99th% in ilvl
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AJV9rh2dHDCNcf4G#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=27


    Rampage is your highest DPS thing here but he cast it over 10% more than you did (42 to 37) despite his fight going on for less time. The same is true for all the other abilities, 51 raging blows to your 48, 18 executes to your 16, 47 bloodthirsts to your 42

    Looking at your uptime you're active for 99.31% and he was active for 99.29% so it's not like you weren't hitting things for a majority of the fight

    you've got quick navigation but he has quick AND deadly navigation? Im not sure how warrior enchants work with your dual weapons but maybe you shouldnt put 2 of the same enchant on? is that a rule?
    https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fury-warrior-pve-dps-gems-enchants-consumables

    Icy veins says you should have quick in 1 hand and then either deadly or masterful in the other. Im going to assume there's a good (DPS) reason for that. So consider swapping out that other enchant.

    He used a potion and you didn't. ( I get that its normal but if you arent using potions ever then this could be a concern)
    he had a flask and you didn't (TBH you should have a flask even for normal they last long enough.)


    He has different trinkets. I have 0 idea what trinkets are supposed to be good for you but hey here's bloodmallet?
    https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#warrior_fury

    you've got a Ramping amplitude gigavolt engine on this parse and its apparently not very good at all. You've also got a doom's fury which is apparently very good. But now im checking your armory and you took off the dooms fury to put a syringe on. The syringe and the dooms fury are both better at 370 than the rampaging thing so you've deliberately put on a worse trinket? That's probably not a sound strategy. Take it from me, sandbagging your trinkets by using lower ilvl but higher damage ones is great and I fully endorse it.

    Assuming that you're probably not going to be getting a mythic syringe or a titanforged dooms fury anytime soon, maybe look into getting the Gore-Crusted butchers block and Rezans gleaming eye from Waycrest and Atal'Dazar respectively. Wowhead says that the dungeon loot will be 385 if you do a +5? and 400 if you do a +10. Which means you could bag some significantly higher ilvl trinkets that are way better for you than the rampaging whatever through m+. (As of the time of this post the dude im comparing to you has gotten some better trinkets and put on a 390 syringe and a 425 butchers block, because these are good trinkets.)



    Okay so let's talk azerite traits.

    The top trait is reckless flurry. You have 0 of these.
    #2 Treacherous covenant, you've got 1.
    Skipping down a ways to #11 (not counting champion of azeroth because that's impossible) you've got unbridled ferocity, which you've triple stacked. I have no idea what's even on your gear because I dont play warrior and im too lazy to try and find out but maybe look into whether or not you've got the best traits picked because it seems like maybe you dont especially if you have 0 of the best trait and I look at warcraftlogs and hey all the top warriors at your ilvl have 2-3 of them minimum.

    Also as for the other traits overwhelming power is apparently just absolutely the best according to bloodmallet like its not even close its 40% better and you have 0 of those too. I dont know how possible it is for you to get both reckless flurry and overwhelming power but hey look into it.



    Final notes with regard to DPS curves:
    Their team bloodlusted on the opener I dont know if that's better and i've decided I dont care.
    You had 2 on-use trinkets and didn't sync them with bloodlust that's bad.
    You've got a DPS racial and you didn't sync it with bloodlust that's (probably) bad.
    Recklessness was active for 12% of bloodlust (his was active for 25% of bloodlust) so I assume you used it like 5 seconds before you guys bloodlusted because it has a 10 second duration and that's definitely bad.
    It's kinda hard to parse but it seems like he's critting way more than you are I dont know if that's stat related, he's got 20% to your 17% or if it's trinket related I think both of his give extra crit. But in addition to hitting abilities more his are hitting harder on average because they're critting more.




    Honestly looking over everything the highlights are
    1. Get better trinkets


    2. Get better azerite stuff


    3. Hit your abilities more? You have the same active time and equal fight length but he used so many more abilities than you. Your casts per minute was 58 and his was 66. He's using 8 more abilities than you are per minute. That might not seem like a lot but it means you're dropping a GCD every few seconds? Really not helping you do damage. (To give a real brief comparison on the same fight zay had 72CPM and hey so did their shadowpriest. Javen had 51 CPM and so did one of their DH's. Astral and therrjrr had the same CPM right down to the decimal point and they were actually above the Boomkins on this team that im comparing you guys to.)


    4. Make sure you're flasking. Use potions if it's an important fight.


    5. Sync your cooldowns with the proper times in the fights. You shouldn't be using one of your cooldowns 5 seconds before bloodlust when that's half of its duration.


    6. Double check your weapon enchants. Armory says you dont have any ring enchants (EXTREMELY HUNTERA VOICE: Hurting the raaaaid)


    7. possibly check stat priorities you've got way less crit and mastery I have no idea if that matters for your class and if it doesnt and haste is better then whatever but also you've got more haste but are doing less things throughout the fight that's really bad im restating this it was point 3 but it should be repeated hit yo buttons more!!!


    Here, this was your free zenya consultation, coming in with the hot tips of "Enchant yo shit" and "Hit your good buttons more than you currently are" and "Hey azerite traits are cool, get you some."

    TynnanCoconut MonkeySaerisThawmusSmrtnikDysBucketmanDonnicton
  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Now imagine what input Zeny could have given you if he knew anything about Fury warriors and you'd have how the Discord could help you!

    ThawmusRanlinTynnanT4CTRomanian My EscutcheonBucketman
  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Quit peeping my logs, creep

  • ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Quit peeping my logs, creep

    If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

    Bucketman
  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Quit peeping my logs, creep

    If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

    That's exactly what a fuckin cop would say!!!!

    ThawmusBucketman
  • ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Quit peeping my logs, creep

    If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

    That's exactly what a fuckin cop would say!!!!

    Yes its me officer zenyatoo please continue going about your business citizen. This is just a normal log inspection.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Cheese it guys, it’s the cops!

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  • T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
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  • T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    zeny once did that breakdown with me vocally when we were doing uldir prog stuff and it was extremely helpful in optimizing my ability to play frost, and also made it so I had a way better idea of how to parse my logs and what to look for in comparisons

    always nice to see heroes out there, owning

    (also yeah there are official discords for every class and they're mega useful, the shaman one is called earthshrine? you can basically toss a question into them at any time and someone will answer)

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  • Lord DaveLord Dave Registered User regular
    Zeny do me now, make my fire good

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Zeny, in the role of guild management, will sit down with you all for your annual performance review.

  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    edited February 13
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Yeah I feel like the only advice I'm getting about how to get better is "Do more damage" but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong? I might swap to an enchment shaman with resto backup (or resto main if one of our healers would rather DPS) because as much as I love playing a Warrior, its not fun to not be helping


    I dont know which fights are easy and which can be padded and which are maybe mechanical failures. So im going to compare you to another dude on grong normal because its the first fight and there's probably not a lot of chances to be a padding boy on it from what I can see, and I assume the mechanics it has are few and far inbetween.

    grong normal
    You did a 17th% in ilvl or whatever
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QJgmK31MbBwA8d6X#fight=8&type=damage-done

    This guy at the same ilvl in a fight that was shorter by 3 seconds was 99th% in ilvl
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AJV9rh2dHDCNcf4G#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=27


    Rampage is your highest DPS thing here but he cast it over 10% more than you did (42 to 37) despite his fight going on for less time. The same is true for all the other abilities, 51 raging blows to your 48, 18 executes to your 16, 47 bloodthirsts to your 42

    Looking at your uptime you're active for 99.31% and he was active for 99.29% so it's not like you weren't hitting things for a majority of the fight

    you've got quick navigation but he has quick AND deadly navigation? Im not sure how warrior enchants work with your dual weapons but maybe you shouldnt put 2 of the same enchant on? is that a rule?
    https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fury-warrior-pve-dps-gems-enchants-consumables

    Icy veins says you should have quick in 1 hand and then either deadly or masterful in the other. Im going to assume there's a good (DPS) reason for that. So consider swapping out that other enchant.

    He used a potion and you didn't. ( I get that its normal but if you arent using potions ever then this could be a concern)
    he had a flask and you didn't (TBH you should have a flask even for normal they last long enough.)


    He has different trinkets. I have 0 idea what trinkets are supposed to be good for you but hey here's bloodmallet?
    https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#warrior_fury

    you've got a Ramping amplitude gigavolt engine on this parse and its apparently not very good at all. You've also got a doom's fury which is apparently very good. But now im checking your armory and you took off the dooms fury to put a syringe on. The syringe and the dooms fury are both better at 370 than the rampaging thing so you've deliberately put on a worse trinket? That's probably not a sound strategy. Take it from me, sandbagging your trinkets by using lower ilvl but higher damage ones is great and I fully endorse it.

    Assuming that you're probably not going to be getting a mythic syringe or a titanforged dooms fury anytime soon, maybe look into getting the Gore-Crusted butchers block and Rezans gleaming eye from Waycrest and Atal'Dazar respectively. Wowhead says that the dungeon loot will be 385 if you do a +5? and 400 if you do a +10. Which means you could bag some significantly higher ilvl trinkets that are way better for you than the rampaging whatever through m+. (As of the time of this post the dude im comparing to you has gotten some better trinkets and put on a 390 syringe and a 425 butchers block, because these are good trinkets.)



    Okay so let's talk azerite traits.

    The top trait is reckless flurry. You have 0 of these.
    #2 Treacherous covenant, you've got 1.
    Skipping down a ways to #11 (not counting champion of azeroth because that's impossible) you've got unbridled ferocity, which you've triple stacked. I have no idea what's even on your gear because I dont play warrior and im too lazy to try and find out but maybe look into whether or not you've got the best traits picked because it seems like maybe you dont especially if you have 0 of the best trait and I look at warcraftlogs and hey all the top warriors at your ilvl have 2-3 of them minimum.

    Also as for the other traits overwhelming power is apparently just absolutely the best according to bloodmallet like its not even close its 40% better and you have 0 of those too. I dont know how possible it is for you to get both reckless flurry and overwhelming power but hey look into it.



    Final notes with regard to DPS curves:
    Their team bloodlusted on the opener I dont know if that's better and i've decided I dont care.
    You had 2 on-use trinkets and didn't sync them with bloodlust that's bad.
    You've got a DPS racial and you didn't sync it with bloodlust that's (probably) bad.
    Recklessness was active for 12% of bloodlust (his was active for 25% of bloodlust) so I assume you used it like 5 seconds before you guys bloodlusted because it has a 10 second duration and that's definitely bad.
    It's kinda hard to parse but it seems like he's critting way more than you are I dont know if that's stat related, he's got 20% to your 17% or if it's trinket related I think both of his give extra crit. But in addition to hitting abilities more his are hitting harder on average because they're critting more.




    Honestly looking over everything the highlights are
    1. Get better trinkets


    2. Get better azerite stuff


    3. Hit your abilities more? You have the same active time and equal fight length but he used so many more abilities than you. Your casts per minute was 58 and his was 66. He's using 8 more abilities than you are per minute. That might not seem like a lot but it means you're dropping a GCD every few seconds? Really not helping you do damage. (To give a real brief comparison on the same fight zay had 72CPM and hey so did their shadowpriest. Javen had 51 CPM and so did one of their DH's. Astral and therrjrr had the same CPM right down to the decimal point and they were actually above the Boomkins on this team that im comparing you guys to.)


    4. Make sure you're flasking. Use potions if it's an important fight.


    5. Sync your cooldowns with the proper times in the fights. You shouldn't be using one of your cooldowns 5 seconds before bloodlust when that's half of its duration.


    6. Double check your weapon enchants. Armory says you dont have any ring enchants (EXTREMELY HUNTERA VOICE: Hurting the raaaaid)


    7. possibly check stat priorities you've got way less crit and mastery I have no idea if that matters for your class and if it doesnt and haste is better then whatever but also you've got more haste but are doing less things throughout the fight that's really bad im restating this it was point 3 but it should be repeated hit yo buttons more!!!


    Here, this was your free zenya consultation, coming in with the hot tips of "Enchant yo shit" and "Hit your good buttons more than you currently are" and "Hey azerite traits are cool, get you some."



    Thanks Zeny for that critique, I think my Azerite trait issue was I was looking at Bloodmallet's Item Level list as opposed to the Trait Stacking list? for Item Level Unbridled Ferocity is top, but I had no idea what that really means. I also have been, especially in heroic, been double potting and flasking for sure. I was looking at logs from other raiders in Fury spec, but they were for sure top tier people so maybe that was my bigger mistake, looking at the best and comparing Mythic tier raiders to just normal tier probably isn't going to help much except to tell me where I COULD be eventually. I should probably make a macro for my CD abilities, and yeah I'll swap out my second weapon enchant and my haste trinket for my crit trinket.

    Again thanks for taking a look, its bee very discourging that icy veins and the wow forums and wow head all have slightly different information and people's responses to help are usually "Look at this guy whos top on his server, be like him"

    Bucketman on
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  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    You guys killed opulence without me

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Huh it appears alot of the traits don't stack well, so while on pure DPS having that trait I have on everything looks good on paper, after the first one its a waste.

    Boy Azerite traits are sure fun and not dumb at all

    Thawmus
  • TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    Yeah when you've got a trait that grants a unique effect, multiples of that trait will add their numerical modifiers to damage but will not increase the chance of the proc happening. In some cases it's worth stacking, if the added damage is significant enough, but in other cases it's worth diversifying.

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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla KOOKABUNGA LIVES Registered User regular


    Is this a reference to some dance I am not aware of cause

    It is real bad

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  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    Do any of you fine folks do any rated PvP? Because I'm finding myself getting all my conquest points each week and I'm kinda thinking I should try rated PvP but I don't know how to break into it. All the LFG's are asking for Hercules himself to come down from Mount Olympus to save their team.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I dunno. I am a pretty good arms warrior in pvp and I still haven’t solved the whole “but I have to play with other people?” Problem of pvp

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  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    A lot of traits are only good for the first one because a 20% chance doesn’t stack. I know we’ve talked about this in this thread before.

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Do any of you fine folks do any rated PvP? Because I'm finding myself getting all my conquest points each week and I'm kinda thinking I should try rated PvP but I don't know how to break into it. All the LFG's are asking for Hercules himself to come down from Mount Olympus to save their team.

    I would like to do some. I have a Warrior, mage, and shaman at 120 and am working on a lock. I want me some rated mounts

    Thawmus
  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Zay wrote: »
    A lot of traits are only good for the first one because a 20% chance doesn’t stack. I know we’ve talked about this in this thread before.

    Yeah but I didn't realize that sometimes the damage stack wasn't 100% and was bad too.

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    Pretty sure all damage stacks unless it’s also a % increase

    Shadow priest trait thought harvester raises damage of vampiric touch by 100 damage, and makes it so it has a chance to make mind sear do 150% damage. Three thought harvesters would mean vampiric touch does extra 300 damage, with the same odds of mind sear doing the same 150% bonus damage. For this reason, I only want 1 though harvester ever, because the proc is what makes it so good for m+ and reaping

    Similarly a feral trait that makes rake deal extra damage and has a chance to activate berserk for 5 seconds. Multiple traits means extra rake damage, but exact same odds of activating berserk for the same 5 seconds

    And that’s why looking at both trait stacking and ilevel are useful. Trait stacking shows the value of additional copies of a trait (assumed all are 415), whereas ilevel shows the value of a single trait at different amount of ilevel.

  • TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Yeah I feel like the only advice I'm getting about how to get better is "Do more damage" but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong? I might swap to an enchment shaman with resto backup (or resto main if one of our healers would rather DPS) because as much as I love playing a Warrior, its not fun to not be helping


    I dont know which fights are easy and which can be padded and which are maybe mechanical failures. So im going to compare you to another dude on grong normal because its the first fight and there's probably not a lot of chances to be a padding boy on it from what I can see, and I assume the mechanics it has are few and far inbetween.
    grong normal
    You did a 17th% in ilvl or whatever
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QJgmK31MbBwA8d6X#fight=8&type=damage-done

    This guy at the same ilvl in a fight that was shorter by 3 seconds was 99th% in ilvl
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AJV9rh2dHDCNcf4G#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=27


    Rampage is your highest DPS thing here but he cast it over 10% more than you did (42 to 37) despite his fight going on for less time. The same is true for all the other abilities, 51 raging blows to your 48, 18 executes to your 16, 47 bloodthirsts to your 42

    Looking at your uptime you're active for 99.31% and he was active for 99.29% so it's not like you weren't hitting things for a majority of the fight

    you've got quick navigation but he has quick AND deadly navigation? Im not sure how warrior enchants work with your dual weapons but maybe you shouldnt put 2 of the same enchant on? is that a rule?
    https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fury-warrior-pve-dps-gems-enchants-consumables

    Icy veins says you should have quick in 1 hand and then either deadly or masterful in the other. Im going to assume there's a good (DPS) reason for that. So consider swapping out that other enchant.

    He used a potion and you didn't. ( I get that its normal but if you arent using potions ever then this could be a concern)
    he had a flask and you didn't (TBH you should have a flask even for normal they last long enough.)


    He has different trinkets. I have 0 idea what trinkets are supposed to be good for you but hey here's bloodmallet?
    https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#warrior_fury

    you've got a Ramping amplitude gigavolt engine on this parse and its apparently not very good at all. You've also got a doom's fury which is apparently very good. But now im checking your armory and you took off the dooms fury to put a syringe on. The syringe and the dooms fury are both better at 370 than the rampaging thing so you've deliberately put on a worse trinket? That's probably not a sound strategy. Take it from me, sandbagging your trinkets by using lower ilvl but higher damage ones is great and I fully endorse it.

    Assuming that you're probably not going to be getting a mythic syringe or a titanforged dooms fury anytime soon, maybe look into getting the Gore-Crusted butchers block and Rezans gleaming eye from Waycrest and Atal'Dazar respectively. Wowhead says that the dungeon loot will be 385 if you do a +5? and 400 if you do a +10. Which means you could bag some significantly higher ilvl trinkets that are way better for you than the rampaging whatever through m+. (As of the time of this post the dude im comparing to you has gotten some better trinkets and put on a 390 syringe and a 425 butchers block, because these are good trinkets.)



    Okay so let's talk azerite traits.

    The top trait is reckless flurry. You have 0 of these.
    #2 Treacherous covenant, you've got 1.
    Skipping down a ways to #11 (not counting champion of azeroth because that's impossible) you've got unbridled ferocity, which you've triple stacked. I have no idea what's even on your gear because I dont play warrior and im too lazy to try and find out but maybe look into whether or not you've got the best traits picked because it seems like maybe you dont especially if you have 0 of the best trait and I look at warcraftlogs and hey all the top warriors at your ilvl have 2-3 of them minimum.

    Also as for the other traits overwhelming power is apparently just absolutely the best according to bloodmallet like its not even close its 40% better and you have 0 of those too. I dont know how possible it is for you to get both reckless flurry and overwhelming power but hey look into it.



    Final notes with regard to DPS curves:
    Their team bloodlusted on the opener I dont know if that's better and i've decided I dont care.
    You had 2 on-use trinkets and didn't sync them with bloodlust that's bad.
    You've got a DPS racial and you didn't sync it with bloodlust that's (probably) bad.
    Recklessness was active for 12% of bloodlust (his was active for 25% of bloodlust) so I assume you used it like 5 seconds before you guys bloodlusted because it has a 10 second duration and that's definitely bad.
    It's kinda hard to parse but it seems like he's critting way more than you are I dont know if that's stat related, he's got 20% to your 17% or if it's trinket related I think both of his give extra crit. But in addition to hitting abilities more his are hitting harder on average because they're critting more.



    Honestly looking over everything the highlights are
    1. Get better trinkets


    2. Get better azerite stuff


    3. Hit your abilities more? You have the same active time and equal fight length but he used so many more abilities than you. Your casts per minute was 58 and his was 66. He's using 8 more abilities than you are per minute. That might not seem like a lot but it means you're dropping a GCD every few seconds? Really not helping you do damage. (To give a real brief comparison on the same fight zay had 72CPM and hey so did their shadowpriest. Javen had 51 CPM and so did one of their DH's. Astral and therrjrr had the same CPM right down to the decimal point and they were actually above the Boomkins on this team that im comparing you guys to.)


    4. Make sure you're flasking. Use potions if it's an important fight.


    5. Sync your cooldowns with the proper times in the fights. You shouldn't be using one of your cooldowns 5 seconds before bloodlust when that's half of its duration.


    6. Double check your weapon enchants. Armory says you dont have any ring enchants (EXTREMELY HUNTERA VOICE: Hurting the raaaaid)


    7. possibly check stat priorities you've got way less crit and mastery I have no idea if that matters for your class and if it doesnt and haste is better then whatever but also you've got more haste but are doing less things throughout the fight that's really bad im restating this it was point 3 but it should be repeated hit yo buttons more!!!


    Here, this was your free zenya consultation, coming in with the hot tips of "Enchant yo shit" and "Hit your good buttons more than you currently are" and "Hey azerite traits are cool, get you some."

    This is an awesome breakdown of the logs and it's pretty generalizable. Folks who are consistently parsing in the grey should read this and look at how it applies to their DPS particulars.

    BucketmanT4CTSmrtnik
  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    I dunno. I am a pretty good arms warrior in pvp and I still haven’t solved the whole “but I have to play with other people?” Problem of pvp

    I ignore a lot of the jib-jab. I communicate as much as possible but when two guys argue about where 40 people should go at the beginning of Isle of Conquest (which is every fucking time), I just ignore them, see how many are splitting off for Docks and Hangar, and join whichever group I think needs a Fire Mage. And if nobody's going, fuck it, I'm going to mid, where all of us will get incredible FPS drops and lag, and I'll maybe set 40 fucking people on fire.

    Side note: There is nothing more joyous nor more in tune with what a big victorious battle should feel like, than when you have that big 40 vs. 40 in mid and you start gaining an inch or two, and the enemy just starts shrinking, and then their ranks are broken, and your hunters and warlocks and warriors are hunting them all down in the hills.

    Like, it's a good fucking feeling.

  • ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Lord Dave wrote: »
    Zeny do me now, make my fire good

    The last time I did this for you, you told me you already knew what you did wrong on that fight and so I vowed to never help another fire mage again. Im sorry but thems the breaks.
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I dunno. I am a pretty good arms warrior in pvp and I still haven’t solved the whole “but I have to play with other people?” Problem of pvp

    I ignore a lot of the jib-jab. I communicate as much as possible but when two guys argue about where 40 people should go at the beginning of Isle of Conquest (which is every fucking time), I just ignore them, see how many are splitting off for Docks and Hangar, and join whichever group I think needs a Fire Mage. And if nobody's going, fuck it, I'm going to mid, where all of us will get incredible FPS drops and lag, and I'll maybe set 40 fucking people on fire.

    Side note: There is nothing more joyous nor more in tune with what a big victorious battle should feel like, than when you have that big 40 vs. 40 in mid and you start gaining an inch or two, and the enemy just starts shrinking, and then their ranks are broken, and your hunters and warlocks and warriors are hunting them all down in the hills.

    Like, it's a good fucking feeling.

    The absolute worst part of any BG is to go to an area where you end up outnumbered 6 to 1, hold the flag and prevent them from capping it for over 2 minutes (My fucking CD's came back!) and then when you finally die you open the map and woops your team despite outnumbering the other guys 14 to 9 across the rest of the map somehow didn't take fucking blacksmith or mines?????? Yes, im STILL mad.

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  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Lord Dave wrote: »
    Zeny do me now, make my fire good

    The last time I did this for you, you told me you already knew what you did wrong on that fight and so I vowed to never help another fire mage again. Im sorry but thems the breaks.
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I dunno. I am a pretty good arms warrior in pvp and I still haven’t solved the whole “but I have to play with other people?” Problem of pvp

    I ignore a lot of the jib-jab. I communicate as much as possible but when two guys argue about where 40 people should go at the beginning of Isle of Conquest (which is every fucking time), I just ignore them, see how many are splitting off for Docks and Hangar, and join whichever group I think needs a Fire Mage. And if nobody's going, fuck it, I'm going to mid, where all of us will get incredible FPS drops and lag, and I'll maybe set 40 fucking people on fire.

    Side note: There is nothing more joyous nor more in tune with what a big victorious battle should feel like, than when you have that big 40 vs. 40 in mid and you start gaining an inch or two, and the enemy just starts shrinking, and then their ranks are broken, and your hunters and warlocks and warriors are hunting them all down in the hills.

    Like, it's a good fucking feeling.

    The absolute worst part of any BG is to go to an area where you end up outnumbered 6 to 1, hold the flag and prevent them from capping it for over 2 minutes (My fucking CD's came back!) and then when you finally die you open the map and woops your team despite outnumbering the other guys 14 to 9 across the rest of the map somehow didn't take fucking blacksmith or mines?????? Yes, im STILL mad.

    On the other hand, when you hold a minecart against 7 for 3 minutes while the rest of your team scores the other two is an amazing feeling that nobody else will recognize.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I dunno. I am a pretty good arms warrior in pvp and I still haven’t solved the whole “but I have to play with other people?” Problem of pvp

    I ignore a lot of the jib-jab. I communicate as much as possible but when two guys argue about where 40 people should go at the beginning of Isle of Conquest (which is every fucking time), I just ignore them, see how many are splitting off for Docks and Hangar, and join whichever group I think needs a Fire Mage. And if nobody's going, fuck it, I'm going to mid, where all of us will get incredible FPS drops and lag, and I'll maybe set 40 fucking people on fire.

    Side note: There is nothing more joyous nor more in tune with what a big victorious battle should feel like, than when you have that big 40 vs. 40 in mid and you start gaining an inch or two, and the enemy just starts shrinking, and then their ranks are broken, and your hunters and warlocks and warriors are hunting them all down in the hills.

    Like, it's a good fucking feeling.

    I avoid the 40 v 40 BGs nowadays. I did my time.

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  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I dunno. I am a pretty good arms warrior in pvp and I still haven’t solved the whole “but I have to play with other people?” Problem of pvp

    I ignore a lot of the jib-jab. I communicate as much as possible but when two guys argue about where 40 people should go at the beginning of Isle of Conquest (which is every fucking time), I just ignore them, see how many are splitting off for Docks and Hangar, and join whichever group I think needs a Fire Mage. And if nobody's going, fuck it, I'm going to mid, where all of us will get incredible FPS drops and lag, and I'll maybe set 40 fucking people on fire.

    Side note: There is nothing more joyous nor more in tune with what a big victorious battle should feel like, than when you have that big 40 vs. 40 in mid and you start gaining an inch or two, and the enemy just starts shrinking, and then their ranks are broken, and your hunters and warlocks and warriors are hunting them all down in the hills.

    Like, it's a good fucking feeling.

    I avoid the 40 v 40 BGs nowadays. I did my time.

    Ah, they're kinda my jam. Plus they're great for farming conquest points.

    T4CT
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 13
    I have both the island of conquest tabard and the, now defunct, Battlemaster title.

    I don’t really wanna go back to either AV or the Isle if I don’t have to.

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    I remember when I would log in to start an AV before school and then finish it that night after dinner.

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    Did you guys get conclave btw??

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    We got them down.

    It went much easier after we swapped a few things around.

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