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Dear G&T, are you doing enough to make this a forum that you are happy with?

RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000Administrator, ClubPA admin
edited May 2007 in Games and Technology
Between Here and here, that thread spent about 30 minutes bouncing around the G&T frontpage spewing the worst sort of stupid all over your Games and Technology forum.

In that period, we received exactly ONE (1) reported post about it, which leads me to conclude that either you guys are scared to use the "report this post" feature, or you are perfectly fine with that sort of idiocy mixing with your Games and your Technology.


So, which is it?

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    RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000 Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited May 2007
    Actually, I think I could even safely bump that start-time up another 30 minutes. That thread was stupid for maybe an hour? Maybe right from the start?

    Don't you care that you have stupid threads? We have moderators here to serve you, but your help is also needed!

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    agoajagoaj Top Tier One FearRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    We like to believe that every thread deserves a second chance.
    Cause hey, maybe I could use some herbal male enchantment.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    The post report button has made other forums I frequent more enjoyable. It works you guys, no joke!

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    EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    pheezer FD wrote: »
    This is sort of like asking a pig if he'd like to just keep rolling about in shit forever.

    Thanks for being an example for the community.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    There. I used it.

    Maybe it's the location of G&T being higher up that makes it a target for the dumb new people.

    Not that there aren't dumb old people too.

    edit: Oh, and thank you pheezer for blatantly insulting everyone. That's perfectly acceptable behavior for a representative of the forum.

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    Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    It's difficult to know when to use the "report post" button in G&T, since what constitutes a reportable post hasn't exactly been set. I always thought that it was meant to be used when someone post a thread that is either obvious site whoring or obvious spamming. I didn't know if "this is just a stupid post" would count. If that's the case you guys would be flooded with reports constantly from G&T (some of them being about me).

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    PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I report things. But I barely go to G&T anymore for anything since the chat threads went away. So I don't see them. I'm guessing the only people in that thread were people who were part of the problem, so they didn't report themselves.

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    One mans retarded is another mans high-larious.

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    personally, i'd say that yes, it rapidly devolved into an utterly retarded post-spamming session, quite likely because that kind of subject matter won't sit easy in here without drawing out the worst in some people. I don't actually know specifically what the report post button does (just fires a PM to authorised mods or something?) and how effective it is. The thread was a bit tactless, it got stupid fast, it should've been killed off quicker if people had been thinking, but it slipped up.
    I wouldn't say it's indicative of the G&T attitude, though. I thought we were past that.

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    No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I probably should of been jailed, but instead CT just threatened a ban.


    I mean, that's a pretty good way to keep people in line.

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    Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    It's difficult to know when to use the "report post" button in G&T, since what constitutes a reportable post hasn't exactly been set. I always thought that it was meant to be used when someone post a thread that is either obvious site whoring or obvious spamming. I didn't know if "this is just a stupid post" would count. If that's the case you guys would be flooded with reports constantly from G&T (some of them being about me).

    Well, maybe that tells you something about your posting habits?


    Honestly though, it's no secret that every forum's worst offenders are its most regular posters. If you see someone being an idiot and you think they're disrupting the thread they're posting in--or the entire forum--report the post. Obviously you should use some common sense, and not just hit the report post button when someone disagrees with you or makes a dumb joke, but if you really think something needs mod attention, you have tools at hand.

    There's also a link at the bottom of the thread index that I'm not sure everyone knows about: View Forum Leaders. This serves the same function as the "mods online" group that used to be at the top of the Who's Online in the phpbb forums. If you need to get a mod the hell right now you can still check to see who's actively foruming and contact someone directly.

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    tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I helped it get out of hand and I'm sorry to LewieP.

    EDIT - And everyone else.

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    TalonrazorTalonrazor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    So, can we report Pheezer's post? Because that's pretty much trolling.

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    PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Is 30 minutes or even one hour enough time for people to read every thread people are interested? And then later maybe possibly randomly click on threads they don't care about? And then read through the thread enough to think that it should be reported?

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    VoroVoro Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Talonrazor wrote: »
    So, can we report Pheezer's post? Because that's pretty much trolling.

    I know I did. If mods for other subforums aren't held to the same standards as other posters, I find it pointless to help moderators with their job. Mods are too often trolling G&T or H/A. If they're willing to end that bullshit, then I'll do my part to report posts/threads in a timely manner.

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    Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    darleysam wrote: »
    I don't actually know specifically what the report post button does (just fires a PM to authorised mods or something?) and how effective it is.

    It's pretty effective. There's a hidden forum that all mods can view where a new thread is created for each reported post. Any time a mod passes the thread index, he/she can see if there's a new thread entitled "Reported post by _____". Stuff can be referred to the subforum's mod group quickly and handled just as quickly, if it's being reported in a swift manner.
    I wouldn't say it's indicative of the G&T attitude, though. I thought we were past that.

    Despite our recurring flaws, which seem to show up in the predictable threads (console discussion, discussion of immensely anticipated games, discussion of tired old arguments), I do think G&T is a much better place to read and post than it was 6-8 months ago. I think it would be a lot better if veteran forumers would think for a bit longer before hitting the Submit Reply button. In a lot of cases.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    It seems The Sneak is the one that really pulled shit. He even commented "oh god what have I done". That's entirely SE behavior, which is apparently fine there. But then people expect the rest of the forums to be the same. There's a huge disparity there, and it's hard to control.

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    Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    It seems The Sneak is the one that really pulled shit. He even commented "oh god what have I done". That's entirely SE behavior, which is apparently fine there. But then people expect the rest of the forums to be the same. There's a huge disparity there, and it's hard to control.

    It's not really "SE behavior" at all. If you pay close attention to happenings in SE, you'll see that what often gets characterized as "SE behavior" is really just the painful antics of a few dozen SE regulars who go apeshit over everything they don't like. They troll new posters they don't like, they shit on new threads they don't approve. They're good people with bad habits, and recently they're earning red cards for it as the SE mods clamp down a bit tighter.

    It's the same around here. We've got a lot of good people who make good posts who just can't control themselves when their buttons get pushed. The wrong thread at the wrong time, and the floodgates just burst open and people start acting like chimpanzees.


    I think Ramius' intent in starting this thread was to point out that this kind of nonsense only goes on when people let it go on. If you see this kind of thing happening, report the post, get a mod, and don't fan the flames.

    A perfect solution? No... but we're all just people trying to run a fun messageboard.

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    LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Ramius wrote: »
    In that period, we received exactly ONE (1) reported post about it, which leads me to conclude that either you guys are scared to use the "report this post" feature,

    Having a solid definition of what is/isn't reportable would be good. I was tempted to fire off a report but held back as I've always though they're for serious offenses that may fly under the radar or obvious site-whoring/spam.

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    i held that thread very dear to my heart and am rather sad that it was locked ramius

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    IShallRiseAgainIShallRiseAgain Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    what about posts with very little OP content? I reported one that was basically one sentence, but I was hestitant about it.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Then the problem is that some people think that behavior is A-ok. It's the internet, it's a place to dick around. According to Ramius and the mods, apparently you guys want it to be a mostly serious discussion with maybe a few jokes sprinkled in.

    I disagree with K that 6-8 months ago the forums were much less readable. I think now they've started to seriously degrade. Why is it? Difference in views between mods and posters? Lack of a chat thread to dick around in?

    Beats me.

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    HewnHewn Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    The message that pops up when hitting the "report" feature:
    Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam and clear rule-breaking posts. Reporting a post brings it to the attention of ALL of the moderators and admins. Don't be afraid to PM a single moderator for minor issues, instead of "sounding the alarm" by using this feature.

    Is it any wonder? You're basically encouraging people to not use this feature unless it's absolutely clear. There's three sentences there, all three encourage a person not to submit the report. If you want more reports being sent, maybe start there.
    Captain K wrote:
    ...don't fan the flames.

    I don't think many of us are pleased with pheezer FD's response. Doesn't contribute and only stirs people up. Like Voro pointed out, if you're serious about curbing this sort of behavior it has to be consistent from top to bottom.

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    RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000 Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited May 2007
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Then the problem is that some people think that behavior is A-ok. It's the internet, it's a place to dick around. According to Ramius and the mods, apparently you guys want it to be a mostly serious discussion with maybe a few jokes sprinkled in.

    I disagree with K that 6-8 months ago the forums were much less readable. I think now they've started to seriously degrade. Why is it? Difference in views between mods and posters? Lack of a chat thread to dick around in?

    Beats me.

    I don't want this to turn into the "everyone chime in on what you think the problems are and how we should fix them" thread.

    what about posts with very little OP content? I reported one that was basically one sentence, but I was hestitant about it.
    I saw that and thought about locking it, but it seems to be being accepted as a legitimate game-on thread, so I'm leaving it open.

    That's the great thing about reporting posts is that it gives a moderator or admin the chance to make the determination whether or not something needs done. So, easy for you guys to use, more productive than fanning flames of stupidity, and not binding in a "by reporting this post I'm putting a permanent dent on someone's record" sort of way.



    Having a solid definition of what is/isn't reportable would be good. I was tempted to fire off a report but held back as I've always though they're for serious offenses that may fly under the radar or obvious site-whoring/spam.
    We worded things pretty strictly when we first rolled out the report-post feature because we were afraid of it being overly abused. But seeing as it is being used less than we'd like, we can and should probably loosen up the wording that goes with it. Really, it will have to be something everybody learns with experience, which this thread is helpful with because now you all know that a bunch of pet pictures are a reportable offense in a thread about Bungie vs Nintendo.

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    SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to just ban everybody who posted in that thread.

    It was a bad thread and only bad people post in bad threads.

    Any sane person opened the thread, read the OP and thought to himself 'Nuh uh, not today, not any day'. I guess that's why nobody reported it. Anybody that might have wasn't going near it to begin with.

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    TreelootTreeloot Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    SC wrote: »
    Ramius wrote: »
    In that period, we received exactly ONE (1) reported post about it, which leads me to conclude that either you guys are scared to use the "report this post" feature,

    Having a solid definition of what is/isn't reportable would be good. I was tempted to fire off a report but held back as I've always though they're for serious offenses that may fly under the radar or obvious site-whoring/spam.

    I too would like a more solid guidelines as to what is reportable. Are things like AOL speak (u, ur) things we should be reporting?

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    omgboomlolomgboomlol __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    A forum is defined by its users. And the community is defined by that also. What would you have otherwise?
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    Also, treating your subforum like a gang and calling a certain behavior "SE" or "G&T" really does deserve you some mocking.

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    SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    I think the end of your post contradicts the beginning of your post, boomlol.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to just ban everybody who posted in that thread.

    It was a bad thread and only bad people post in bad threads.

    Any sane person opened the thread, read the OP and thought to himself 'Nuh uh, not today, not any day'. I guess that's why nobody reported it. Anybody that might have wasn't going near it to begin with.

    I have to agree with this.

    I've seen a lot of threads that start out bad and just keep getting worse. And sometimes I find myself typing something into the Quick Reply area. And then I'm like "wait, no" and close the window.

    I guess the general assumption among people is that the mods will see the thread and deal with it without being told about it, but that's an erroneous assumption, obviously. It's impossible for the mods to find out about everything that's going on unless we as forumers start helping them out more.

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    omgboomlolomgboomlol __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    I think the end of your post contradicts the beginning of your post, boomlol.

    Howso?

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    omgboomlol wrote: »
    A forum is defined by its users. And the community is defined by that also. What would you have otherwise?
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    Also, treating your subforum like a gang and calling a certain behavior "SE" or "G&T" really does deserve you some mocking.

    What? I wouldn't say so. SE has a radically different style than the other forums. Shit that goes down there gets you insta banned in other forums.


    And Ramius...what is this thread for then, if not to point out problems the forums have? Just to chastise us for not using our buttons, which by the way, I used about an hour ago to apparently 0 effect? I don't mean to sound like a prick here, but we've got problems, and making a thread to call us retarded isn't gonna fix it.

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to just ban everybody who posted in that thread.

    It was a bad thread and only bad people post in bad threads.

    Any sane person opened the thread, read the OP and thought to himself 'Nuh uh, not today, not any day'. I guess that's why nobody reported it. Anybody that might have wasn't going near it to begin with.

    some people actually did attempt to stay on topic and discuss things a little..

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    SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    omgboomlol wrote: »
    I think the end of your post contradicts the beginning of your post, boomlol.

    Howso?

    Well, the beginning of your post seems to suggest that the character of a forum is defined by it's users. Then you seem to contradict that by saying that there isn't a characteristic behaviour of any particular forum.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Enough with the SE++ bashing, folks. I like SE++. :(

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    RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000 Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited May 2007
    Talonrazor wrote: »
    So, can we report Pheezer's post? Because that's pretty much trolling.

    You can report moderator posts as you see fit. Be aware that the admins have a lot of forums to worry about and may or may not see the reported post, however. Also, be aware that we are unlikely to respond publicly to a post reporting a moderator. We will probably either agree or disagree with it in the reported-posts forum.


    I think I, at least, will be prone to grant moderators more leeway then you might feel we should grant them, if they contribute positively in enough ways to offset their vices. But really, moderator oversight is much more in Cardboard Tube's hands than mine.

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    omgboomlolomgboomlol __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    omgboomlol wrote: »
    A forum is defined by its users. And the community is defined by that also. What would you have otherwise?
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    Also, treating your subforum like a gang and calling a certain behavior "SE" or "G&T" really does deserve you some mocking.

    What? I wouldn't say so. SE has a radically different style than the other forums. Shit that goes down there gets you insta banned in other forums.


    And Ramius...what is this thread for then, if not to point out problems the forums have? Just to chastise us for not using our buttons, which by the way, I used about an hour ago to apparently 0 effect? I don't mean to sound like a prick here, but we've got problems, and making a thread to call us retarded isn't gonna fix it.
    Yes, they are different communities with different people with different rules and different staff. But, I'd still wouldn't call call someone that blames their problems on a subforum a patriot, exactly.

    As for the last thing, we both know it wouldn't be the first time. 8-)

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    SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    darleysam wrote: »
    I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to just ban everybody who posted in that thread.

    It was a bad thread and only bad people post in bad threads.

    Any sane person opened the thread, read the OP and thought to himself 'Nuh uh, not today, not any day'. I guess that's why nobody reported it. Anybody that might have wasn't going near it to begin with.

    some people actually did attempt to stay on topic and discuss things a little..

    Yeah sure, but what could you say besides 'Oh, jolly good prank there Bungie! What a hoot!'

    I mean...read the OP and move on. There wasn't much to discuss. That's what rational people do. Trying to hold a conversation in an thread that is pure moron bait is futile.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Enough with the SE++ bashing, folks. I like SE++. :(

    I'm not bashing SE, just pointing out how different it is. Then I think people think they can do the same in SE in other forums, and then bad shit happens.

    edit: not blaming either, it's just a problem we as a forum have. With a dispairty between the environments, it's possible people don't see there needs to be a change. I could be wrong here too, just an idea. I agree with K that SE is pretty cool, when there aren't the retards screwing it up.

    But then why don't we BAN the retards?

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    WrenWren ninja_bird Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    SirToons wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to just ban everybody who posted in that thread.

    It was a bad thread and only bad people post in bad threads.

    Any sane person opened the thread, read the OP and thought to himself 'Nuh uh, not today, not any day'. I guess that's why nobody reported it. Anybody that might have wasn't going near it to begin with.

    some people actually did attempt to stay on topic and discuss things a little..

    Yeah sure, but what could you say besides 'Oh, jolly good prank there Bungie! What a hoot!'

    I mean...read the OP and move on. There wasn't much to discuss. That's what rational people do. Trying to hold a conversation in an thread that is pure moron bait is futile.
    Yes yes, let me pat you on the back for your job well done.

    Do you want a cookie?

    Do you want a mod badge?

    Yeah you look like you want a mod badge.

    this wont end well

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    BlazeHedgehogBlazeHedgehog Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I'll just go ahead and say it: At one point, didn't a moderator a few months ago say, "There's no such thing as a bad post", specifically in regards to G&T?

    Certainly that may have something to do with this. Perhaps users think the button will do no good, if that's the opinion of some of the staff.

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