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The [Movie] Was Perfected In 1974

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 10
    If we're doing 21st century, the short list would contain the likes of Fury Road, Prometheus, BR 2049, possibly Interstellar, possibly Inception.

    Edit: Throw some No Country For Old Men in there.

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  • TenzytileTenzytile Registered User regular
    Pretty Americentric list, which I guess is to be expected. Still, I think The Conformist in the top 10 is a really good pick. So much of why that film works is because of Storaro's lighting and camera work. There are some films on that top 100 that were going to look good in the hands of a competent DoP (rather than a master) simply because of excellent production design.

    No films from 1928-1938 is disappointing.

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  • TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    If we're doing 21st century, the short list would contain the likes of Fury Road, Prometheus, BR 2049, possibly Interstellar, possibly Inception.

    Edit: Throw some No Country For Old Men in there.

    Sicario, Arrival perhaps?

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Anyone could cure it with blindness There were moments where I thought I could beRegistered User regular
    Bladerunner2049 for 21st century movies indeed.

    That movie is the kind of film that gets people interested in making movies.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    If we're doing 21st century, the short list would contain the likes of Fury Road, Prometheus, BR 2049, possibly Interstellar, possibly Inception.

    Edit: Throw some No Country For Old Men in there.

    I still think It Follows is one of the best shot movies of recent years.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    If we're doing 21st century, the short list would contain the likes of Fury Road, Prometheus, BR 2049, possibly Interstellar, possibly Inception.

    Edit: Throw some No Country For Old Men in there.

    Id say interstellar or inception but not both

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    I'd probably put The Last Jedi up there too. That it was as visually impressive as it was wound up being overshadowed by Rian Johnson personally murdering the pets and close relations of franchise fans.

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    This is cinematography right?

    I don't think arrival was all that interesting on that front.

    Some 21st century contenders:

    Fury Road
    The Proposition
    Life of Pi
    Inception
    *cough* speed racer

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I'd probably put The Last Jedi up there too. That it was as visually impressive as it was wound up being overshadowed by Rian Johnson personally murdering the pets and close relations of franchise fans.

    Both TFA and TLJ and visually stunning. The Falcon escape scene in FTA had me in tears.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Look how many blueberries your muffin has and how many mine has Yours is falling apart. I have nothing.Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    20th Century? Sure.

    Citizen Kane
    2001
    Lawrence of Arabia
    Rashomon
    Raging Bull

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    Dammit, that's also not a bad list.

    You have failed me.

    (I actually don't recall the cinematography in Raging Bull. 2001 is gorgeous, though, even if I find it boring as snot for large stretches.)

    I also agree 2001 is rather boring but to me best cinematography are the movies where you think of the look more than the story or anything in it, a good performance or music or what have you. First thing I think of is the look. That's why the only thing that might compete with Citizen Kane is possibly, possibly, Paddington 3.

    Raging Bull fits this because while it isn't even in Marty Score's top three overall, it's known for the boxing and the slow-mo shots but the entire thing is like perfecting the camerawork of the 40's and 50's. That scene where DeNiro walks over to beat the shit out of Pesci and the chaos and then cutting to the TV static, mwah.

    This is why I would put Oldboy so high up on my all-time list too; it's not even the best in Chan Wook Park's revenge trilogy let alone his top 3 movies (JSA #1, I'm a Cyborg #2, Lady Vengeance #3) but it totally owns everything to do with camerawork and the flow of the film to the point where that hallway fight is just the extra cherry on top, it was already doing amazing things without that scene, like the dude doing that weird yoga or when the dude gets scissor'd lolz cut it out

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  • BogartBogart Because I hate you Registered User, Moderator mod
    TLJ had some nice scenes but I don't think I'd say it was one of the 10 best shot films of the last eighteen years. TFA even less so.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited January 10
    Especially not TFA. Like TFA has a couple of nice scenes, but it also has a bunch of really dull, boring interiors with nothing interesting going on to differentiate it whatsoever.

    Like there's just nothing interesting happening here at all, and there's way worse looking scenes than this one:



    It's not bad, but it's certainly not great.

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  • BogartBogart Because I hate you Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited January 10
    Master and Commander was a beautiful movie that looked, in certain frames, like a renaissance painting. Grand Budapest Hotel is probably Wes Anderson's best looking movie, but YMMV if his style bounces right off you.

    BR2049 is probably the most gloriously shot movie I've seen for a decade or more. I'm still astonished about that film.

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  • TenzytileTenzytile Registered User regular
    If I had to pick 10 for the 21st century:

    Leviathan
    Millennium Mambo
    Colossal Youth
    Kaili Blues
    Songs From the Second Floor
    Story of My Death
    Miami Vice
    The Assassination of Jesse James
    Hard to be a God
    The New World

    I'm sure there's stuff I'm overlooking, but I think most of those I'd have trouble leaving off.

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  • JRoseyJRosey SeattleRegistered User regular
    21st century cinematography masterpieces
    Spiderman into the spiderverse
    Sunshine
    Gravity
    Zodiac
    The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Don't despair. Not even over the fact that you don't despair.Registered User regular
    In the favorite I was curious why they wrapped her leg in beef to treat gout

    Elki wrote: »

    Casual Eddy: best poster 2014.
    tyrannus wrote: »
    Casual Eddy: best poster of 2015

    gotta update that stuff man
  • kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Bladerunner2049 for 21st century movies indeed.

    That movie is the kind of film that gets people interested in making movies.

    The sound work in that movie was fucking incredible in the theaters.

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  • ArchangleArchangle Registered User regular
    Tenzytile wrote: »
    If I had to pick 10 for the 21st century:

    Leviathan
    Millennium Mambo
    Colossal Youth
    Kaili Blues
    Songs From the Second Floor
    Story of My Death
    Miami Vice
    The Assassination of Jesse James
    Hard to be a God
    The New World

    I'm sure there's stuff I'm overlooking, but I think most of those I'd have trouble leaving off.
    This Leviathan?

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Bah, I forgot There Will Be Blood!

    Gorgeous movie.

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  • VestyVesty Registered User regular
    Road to Perdition needs to be on some of these lists

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Skyfall has some pretty amazing cinematography. Other random 21st century movies that come to mind:

    -The Fountain
    -Werckmeister Harmonies
    -Scott Pilgrim
    -Grand Budapest and Moonrise Kingdom
    -Zodiac
    -Children of Men
    -Lord of the Rings
    -Hero
    -Drive

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Drive was real purty, yes.

    Only God Forgives was also purty, though also stupid and masturbatory.

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  • JRoseyJRosey SeattleRegistered User regular
    Archangle wrote: »
    Tenzytile wrote: »
    If I had to pick 10 for the 21st century:

    Leviathan
    Millennium Mambo
    Colossal Youth
    Kaili Blues
    Songs From the Second Floor
    Story of My Death
    Miami Vice
    The Assassination of Jesse James
    Hard to be a God
    The New World

    I'm sure there's stuff I'm overlooking, but I think most of those I'd have trouble leaving off.
    This Leviathan?

    Pretty sure they're talking about this


    Which I would agree with. No dialogue, just haunting images that propel a (admittedly simple) narrative.

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  • TenzytileTenzytile Registered User regular
    It's the fishing documentary, yeah. The best use of go-pros yet; a purely sensory piece of cinematography that abstracts very real environments to the point of bewilderment. There is some ambiguity about the title, though. There's also a 2014 Russian film that's pretty well known too.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Tenzytile wrote: »
    If I had to pick 10 for the 21st century:

    Miami Vice

    I'm sure there's stuff I'm overlooking, but I think most of those I'd have trouble leaving off.

    I can't speak for most of your picks, but Miami Vice was a lesser version of Heat and Collateral in my opinion. Both far surpass it in terms of story and action and visuals. I would go with Collateral over Miami Vice if I had to pick a 21st Century pick, but Miami Vice is a lesser entry in Michael Mann's filmography, much less film as a whole.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited January 10
    Here's the trailer for Velvet Buzzsaw, the Netflix film starring Jake Gyllenhall and directed by Dan Gilroy, who worked together previously on Nightcrawler.

    Jake Gyllenhall plays an art auctioneer whose sight is beginning to go bad, and that's all I knew about it before watching the trailer.


    I was not expecting the film to go the way it apparently does!

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  • TenzytileTenzytile Registered User regular
    edited January 10
    Oh, Miami Vice is definitely not a great film (I don't think Hard to be a God is either). But it's either that or Public Enemies if I'm picking stuff that looks fantastic and also unlike anything else before it. I might be persuaded to go with Public Enemies actually, just because its formal decisions build a kind stylistic anachronism; so many period pieces try to match the remembered visual textures of their time and that one goes in the opposite direction. A lot of people criticized, or continue to criticize Mann's preference for very digital looking cinematography, but I think it's the most interesting thing he's pushed as a filmmaker. He can keep repeating his romantic brand of tortured masculinity, but I'm watching his films for their visual (edit: and sound!---he's extremely conscious of sound design) decisions primarily.

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  • CristovalCristoval Registered User regular
    Having rewatched FA and TLJ, yeah, I'll second how completely boring it looks. TLJ has such a great style and excellent use of colour comparatively. Whatever your thoughts are on it it is very confidently shot. Force Awakens is just.... there. The only memorable moments are near the end with the attack on Star Killer base and the fight in the woods. JJ has some weird camera choices as well that make some scenes look cheap as hell (dutch angles for no reason especially).

  • BogartBogart Because I hate you Registered User, Moderator mod
    Mann is somehow able to shoot mundane, tedious things like a jet plane taking off against the sky and make it seem compelling and new. Kind of like how Lynch is able to make familiar things seem sinister.

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  • wanderingwandering Registered User regular
    I wanted to throw Lord of the Rings into the ring but since it’s already been mentioned I have no choice but to instead reveal my very spiciest cinematography take

    Les Misérables (2012)’s much-vilified cinematography is goegeous, bold, and an excellent homage to Passion of Joan of Arc



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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Cristoval wrote: »
    Having rewatched FA and TLJ, yeah, I'll second how completely boring it looks. TLJ has such a great style and excellent use of colour comparatively. Whatever your thoughts are on it it is very confidently shot. Force Awakens is just.... there. The only memorable moments are near the end with the attack on Star Killer base and the fight in the woods. JJ has some weird camera choices as well that make some scenes look cheap as hell (dutch angles for no reason especially).

    JJ just isn't a very good filmmaker, beyond the lense flare issue, he just isn't that interesting.

    His true strength lies in advertising really. Bitch about the mystery box all you want as a form of getting hype in the internet age its great. It just sucks as anything else. Any story that hinges upon it will suck by default because there is no way anything a film-maker can make anything that matches the mystery people have made in their minds.

    Not being hyped about IX because I know the ad campaign will be great, but everything else will be less then average.

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  • President RexPresident Rex Registered User regular
    For that list of Lawrence of Arabia, Blade Runner, Apocalypse Now, Citizen Kane and The Godfather:

    Working from a concept of cinematography focusing on usage of movement, depth of field, lighting, saturation and color, I'm not sure I'd put the Godfather or Apocalypse Now on that list. Both of them feel very visually "samey" in my mind. They seem like they made the list for sound, acting, direction and special effects.

    Lawrence of Arabia has ridiculously long shots that do awesome work evoking the desert. I think it also gets to cheat with the focus it can put on Peter O'Toole.

    Citizen Kane is basically famous for its cinematic ingenuity and lighting techniques.

    Blade Runner provides a visually interesting world that occasionally holds on its bleak, smokey, solitary indoor scenes for too long. But I can see it on the list.

    For the 20th Century, I feel like Barry Lyndon deserves special mention for Kubrick basically using the best lenses ever made to shoot actual candlelight to evoke the time period (I'd probably even put The Shining above 2001 for cinematography). Saving Private Ryan basically prompted decades of desaturated, controlled shakey-cam war movies by itself (Schindler's List as an honorable mention). Joan of Arc is probably up there too, but I don't think it deserves top 5.

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    The Godfather really is famous for its cinematography. They don’t call Gordon Willis the Prince of Darkness for nothing.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Look how many blueberries your muffin has and how many mine has Yours is falling apart. I have nothing.Registered User regular
    Saving Private Ryan was my #6 for 20th Century because it really did change everything for war movies (and video games).

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Anyone could cure it with blindness There were moments where I thought I could beRegistered User regular
    No award for Taken 3?

    World record most cuts within 10 seconds! You barely even notice!

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  • McFodderMcFodder 'SploringRegistered User regular
    edited January 11
    That would be for the 'Most Editing' category.

    It's like staring into a strobe light.

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  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot Registered User regular
    I can’t nominate Les Miserables simply because how much the cinematography works against the energy and performances

    It’s a beautiful thing done badly

  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot Registered User regular
    edited January 11
    Man I don’t like disagreeing with @Tenzytile , but much like @Astaereth and David Fincher, I don’t think we’ll ever come to terms about the merits of Michael Mann.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I can’t nominate Les Miserables simply because how much the cinematography works against the energy and performances

    It’s a beautiful thing done badly

    Hot Obvious take: Maybe Tom Hooper doesn't actually know what he's doing.

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