[Australian & NZ Politics] Australia Decided. Hm.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Looks like NSW and VIC are going into shutdown.

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  • MostlyHarmless!MostlyHarmless! Registered User new member
    plufim wrote: »
    I work in SA health*, so I'm still going in to work each day, despite having asthma.

    I hate this.

    *my job is mostly office based at least.

    I work in the Agency as well, and we're considered critical staff (DHSA).

    Premier Marshall has also instituted a travel ban for the state, so nobody is coming in as well.

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    edited March 22
    discrider wrote: »
    Looks like NSW and VIC are going into shutdown.

    Can you expand on this? Is it government only, or all non-essential businesses?

    The former, I can work around, the latter properly fucks me.

    Specifically, I need to put my motorcycle in for a service on my couple days off, and if I can't (or I do, and then they shutter things) then I'm proper fucked.

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  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    All non-essential businesses will shut down.

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Aegeri wrote: »
    All non-essential businesses will shut down.

    What defines non-essential though? Mechanics?

  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Aegeri wrote: »
    All non-essential businesses will shut down.

    What defines non-essential though? Mechanics?

    The only hint they gave was ‘look at what the UK is doing’.

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  • Sanguinius666264Sanguinius666264 Registered User regular
    Hi all - I'm in the ACT. If anyone needs a hand with any shopping or wants someone to talk to during this time, please feel free to PM me. I'm happy to help wherever is needed. This is a tough time - the ACT, like NSW, is in complete shut down 48 hours from now. While 'non-essential services' is still a bit up in the air, I don't think a lot of Federal/Territory staff are going to be going in to work in the next little while. For some of us, that means working from home. For others, especially non-ongoing staff, that could mean being let go if this goes on for months. Either way, I think we're all going to need to look out for each other and stay safe.

  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Aegeri wrote: »
    All non-essential businesses will shut down.

    What defines non-essential though? Mechanics?

    Games Stores I assume are one :P

    I imagine only medical related shops, like pharmacies, food outlets, delivery companies and similar will be allowed to remain open.

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  • AntoshkaAntoshka Miauen Oil Change LazarusRegistered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    Aegeri wrote: »
    All non-essential businesses will shut down.

    What defines non-essential though? Mechanics?

    The only hint they gave was ‘look at what the UK is doing’.

    This seems like the kind of information you set out before doing it, and announce, along with decision

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Schools will remain open, as 'children don't appear to be major spreaders'.

  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Antoshka wrote: »
    -Loki- wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    Aegeri wrote: »
    All non-essential businesses will shut down.

    What defines non-essential though? Mechanics?

    The only hint they gave was ‘look at what the UK is doing’.

    This seems like the kind of information you set out before doing it, and announce, along with decision

    Full text will be out tomorrow I am sure. Just need some patience.

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  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Schools will remain open, as 'children don't appear to be major spreaders'.

    There is literally no evidence for this claim. What the fuck are they doing.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    plufim wrote: »
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Schools will remain open, as 'children don't appear to be major spreaders'.

    There is literally no evidence for this claim. What the fuck are they doing.

    They’re saying theres no evidence that they are. Basically using lack of evidence to support their claim.

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    To quote the simsons: Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    New Zealand is now at 102 cases last i checked. So, uh, that's a big ol' increase. Livestream from the prime minister starting shortly:



    Here's RNZ take on it. Was supposed to be starting at 1:30 pm, delayed by ten minutes. hasnt started yet as of 1:40pm

    Honestly kind of wishing that the goverment would just commit to upping the lockdown level - i know it'd mean disruption, but i'd rahter things get hammered in safely as it were.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Effective immediately, NZ is now moving to level 3.

    In 48 hours once vital services are confirmed to be in place and ready, NZ will move to level 4.

    For those who cannot remember what the alert system is, here's a PDF link.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6816380/COVID-Alert-Levels-v2.pdf

    I'll post a further update once RNZ posts a good summary.

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  • AntoshkaAntoshka Miauen Oil Change LazarusRegistered User regular
    Effective immediately, NZ is now moving to level 3.

    In 48 hours once vital services are confirmed to be in place and ready, NZ will move to level 4.

    For those who cannot remember what the alert system is, here's a PDF link.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6816380/COVID-Alert-Levels-v2.pdf

    I'll post a further update once RNZ posts a good summary.

    This is in effect for at least 4 weeks.

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  • MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Welp, should have gone grocery shopping yesterday. Everytime there's an announcement like this the shops get slammed before I get home. I feel this time is going to be worse.

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Ask me about my scrotalist agenda Registered User regular
    4 weeks. Oof.

  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    annnnnnnnd of course an eledery relative of my neighbour just started to try and tell me how he thinks the goverment is over reacting.

    Mate, fuck you. I grew up with constant chest pains because i got pneumonia when i was 12ish, and the scar tissue in my lungs kept getting streched as i grew up. Pneumonia alone is terrifying, and i've got fucking asthma and diabetes on top of that. Let's not even touch the mental health stuff that also does a massive number on me stress wise and all the results that has on my immune system (Pro tip: It's not great!)

    The biggest terror up until this point has been that frankly, i was trusting the public to be sensible about shit. Now at least i dont have to. But still, just... Oof. This feels like being hit with a hammer.

    On a brighter note, the government's announced rent freezes, so suck on that landlord.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Yeah I've been expecting this announcement for a while, but it still hit pretty hard.

    I was taking notes on her announcement for the coworkers, and once I finished that, I cried. No idea, just overwhelmed I guess.

    So very overwhelmed.

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  • AntoshkaAntoshka Miauen Oil Change LazarusRegistered User regular
    On the plus side, from a political standpoint:
    National is suspending campaigning, and in full support. So, basically, the opposition & the government are agreeing, and everyone is expected to support each other.

    I went to the shops on the way home from work, and aside from bread, they weren't slammed. I even managed to get the eggs I wanted to get yesterday, which were for lunch in the office, which is now in my garage.

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  • exisexis Registered User regular
    This is the best possible thing to do at this point. Bad situation, but I'm pretty satisfied with how it's being handled by the government.

    Went to the pet store to grab some dog food because I'm an idiot and realised our supply wouldn't last 4 weeks. Obviously everybody else had the same thought but much to my surprise, pet stores are considered essential services and will remain open. Makes me wonder what is and isn't essential.

  • MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Good on National actually. Glad to see our political parties are at least willing to play nice.

    So tomorrow we stay at home and wait to be contacted. I feel bad for our IT team, they were hoping they had until Monday to finish they're WFH setup.

    This all feels unreal though. It's one thing watching the news about Italy et al, but somehow you don't think it'll end up happening in NZ.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Side note, part of why we need this to happen is fuckers like these:



    I hate booze and alchol culture at the best of times (Booze is for use in cooking, and that's about all the use i've found for it. Safe water source should the world goto shit, i guess), but this is just... really kids? reallly?

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  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Side note, part of why we need this to happen is fuckers like these:



    I hate booze and alchol culture at the best of times (Booze is for use in cooking, and that's about all the use i've found for it. Safe water source should the world goto shit, i guess), but this is just... really kids? reallly?

    Kids being dumb is as old as kids.

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  • -SPI--SPI- Registered User regular
    So Stuart Roberts lied directly to the Australian public today to shield his own incompetence.

    He told us that the Mygov website crashed due to "a cyber attack" in a press conference. Then when asked directly in parliament (where there are penalties for misleading the house) he admitted that the website crashed because it could only support 55,000 people logging in at once (the fuck?).

  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    Ah the IBM census playbook I see.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited March 23
    I don't know.
    Is it lying to say that a denial of service attack occurred when your denial of service alert triggered due to totally legitimate traffic?
    (Yes)
    (It also sounded like said alert automatically throttled input into MyGov)

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Morrison: The National Cabinet has agreed to keep the schools open. Children should be at school.

    NSW: Schools are open if you have no option, but please don’t send your kids to school.
    VIC: We are starting school holidays early.
    ACT: lol schools are closed.

    Good to see the governments are united in their messaging.

  • TefTef Registered User regular
    I've got a couple hundred tradesmen staring down the barrel of no income for four weeks. The kiwi government is being frustratingly vague if they are going to cover people on work visas with their subsidy payments (most of my guys are on essential skills work visas). Spent about four hours this afternoon submitting their applications for the subsidy anyway. It was be insane if they wouldn't pay it

  • VivixenneVivixenne Remember your training, and we'll get through this just fine. Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Morrison: The National Cabinet has agreed to keep the schools open. Children should be at school.

    NSW: Schools are open if you have no option, but please don’t send your kids to school.
    VIC: We are starting school holidays early.
    ACT: lol schools are closed.

    Good to see the governments are united in their messaging.

    That’s a pretty clear reflection of just how much of the public trust our federal leaders have lost.

    These are also the leaders who are somehow saying that kids aren’t transmitting the disease and thus schools can stay open.

    Which is... confounding in its stupidity.

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Ask me about my scrotalist agenda Registered User regular
    Kids aren't dying to the disease, but that's a very different thing.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    The things we were seeing out of China were kids were mostly infected by the adults in their family, rather than bringing the disease home to the adults.
    I'm not sure how true that's held since then, but that was what was reported in our coronavirus thread.

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  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    Kids aren't dying to the disease, but that's a very different thing.

    Yep. Anyone who's ever spent any time around kids knows they are absolutely little disease vectors at the best of times. In case of a pandemic? Jesus fuck, get them away from each other!

  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Crossposting from the Update thread:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/412482/four-cases-of-community-transmission-of-covid-19-in-nz

    Four cases of community transmission, NZ now up to 155 cases. Lockdown takes effect in just over 24 hours. Six people in hosptial, but none in ICU. 12 people have recovered from the virus, and over 8300 tests have been completed.

    So, not great seeing the pretty rapid increases - 40 cases more than yesterday. On the other hand, hopefully the lockdown is kicking in fast enough to curtail things getting anyworse. We'll see - people are sadly being smegheaded morons about the "Dont panic buy", despite the government and the sueprmarket's pleading with everyone.

    Hope my updates are useful to people! Figure it' something to do.

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  • MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Crossposting from the Update thread:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/412482/four-cases-of-community-transmission-of-covid-19-in-nz

    Four cases of community transmission, NZ now up to 155 cases. Lockdown takes effect in just over 24 hours. Six people in hosptial, but none in ICU. 12 people have recovered from the virus, and over 8300 tests have been completed.

    So, not great seeing the pretty rapid increases - 40 cases more than yesterday. On the other hand, hopefully the lockdown is kicking in fast enough to curtail things getting anyworse. We'll see - people are sadly being smegheaded morons about the "Dont panic buy", despite the government and the sueprmarket's pleading with everyone.

    Hope my updates are useful to people! Figure it' something to do.

    Drive through Onehunga up to North Shore was weird. Traffic was strangely heavy, almost everything was closed so no pedestrians, and lines snaking out of grocery stores around the parking lot.

    I am hoping that's because the stores are limiting the number of people inside at once.

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  • AntoshkaAntoshka Miauen Oil Change LazarusRegistered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    Crossposting from the Update thread:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/412482/four-cases-of-community-transmission-of-covid-19-in-nz

    Four cases of community transmission, NZ now up to 155 cases. Lockdown takes effect in just over 24 hours. Six people in hosptial, but none in ICU. 12 people have recovered from the virus, and over 8300 tests have been completed.

    So, not great seeing the pretty rapid increases - 40 cases more than yesterday. On the other hand, hopefully the lockdown is kicking in fast enough to curtail things getting anyworse. We'll see - people are sadly being smegheaded morons about the "Dont panic buy", despite the government and the sueprmarket's pleading with everyone.

    Hope my updates are useful to people! Figure it' something to do.

    Drive through Onehunga up to North Shore was weird. Traffic was strangely heavy, almost everything was closed so no pedestrians, and lines snaking out of grocery stores around the parking lot.

    I am hoping that's because the stores are limiting the number of people inside at once.

    That appeared to be the case in Royal Oak, though I didn't actually go to the supermarket.

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  • exisexis Registered User regular
    Some clarifications on what will and won't be open during the lockdown: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120512184/coronavirus-what-stores-and-services-are-still-open-during-lockdown
    * Dairies to stay open, with "one-in one-out" rule·

    * Food delivery prohibited, except meals on wheels and delivery of food not pre-cooked

    * Liquor stores closed, unless within a Licensing Trust Area and with "one-in one-out" rule

    * Self-service laundries can stay open, two-metre physical distancing to be enforced·
    All good to see. Pisses me off that the Warehouse earlier announced that they considered themselves an essential service and would be open. We really do not need retailers actively contributing to the confusion like that.

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