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[MTG] Modern Horizons spoilers happening now!

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    yeah but eventually I just wont use arena at all due to getting sick of being behind on decks or unable to play the lists I want in a timely manner and thats probably not what they want either
    money though
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    hearthstone makes millions of dollars

    many many

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    turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    every ftp game has whales so I'm not sure what your point is when I should be the target audience for such a program and outlined a pretty easy way to not want to engage with more mtg via said program

    other than to challenge pip in a who can contribute less contest, a title he has long held with an iron grip

    The whales are the target audience. It doesn't matter if you or I are burning out on Arena.

    Also chill out.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    I wouldn't say it doesn't matter

    there is a balance in feeding enough to retain the people who are gonna put in some small amount every month while not feeding so much that they don't have, and also keeping enough to chase that the people who can put in a lot will

    digital TCGs aren't exploitative enough to get the scale of whales that f2p like Clash of Clans lives off of.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    As it stands MTGArena is probably in a very good place because you can drop like $200 per expansion to have access to like 5 T1 decks at minimum. That is pretty enticing for enfranchised MTG players who are willing to drop a lot of money on cards already.

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    turtleant wrote: »
    every ftp game has whales so I'm not sure what your point is when I should be the target audience for such a program and outlined a pretty easy way to not want to engage with more mtg via said program

    other than to challenge pip in a who can contribute less contest, a title he has long held with an iron grip

    The whales are the target audience. It doesn't matter if you or I are burning out on Arena.

    Also chill out.

    the competition is getting hot, folks

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    WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    please be nice to each other

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    i can still be mean to pip tho right

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    i can still be mean to pip tho right

    how dare you

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    WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    i can still be mean to pip tho right

    no sorry all pips are precious

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Whippy wrote: »
    i can still be mean to pip tho right

    no sorry all pips are precious

    how dare you

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Whippy wrote: »
    i can still be mean to pip tho right

    no sorry all pips are precious

    damn this is the meanest one yet

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    i can still be mean to pip tho right

    how dare you

    Haha Gollum.

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    jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    edited March 2019
    New cosmetics, a new progression system for new players, and the ability to practice decks against the computer are coming to Arena:

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    rad

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    jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    Gotta say, the card styles are pretty dope.

    Wizards give me back the old card frame for your new digital game you cowards!

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    KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    iPad/Android support when

    (Apparently, never)

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    jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    Kay wrote: »
    iPad/Android support when

    (Apparently, never)

    They've basically indicated that support for any other platform is a long way down the road, probably until after the game leaves open beta.

    The cries for Mac support on every Tweet they send miiiiiight indicate they should rearrange their priorities but who knows. I'd love to be able to play Magic literally anywhere.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    The scale of literally any other task vs. building the client in a completely different OS are orders of magnitude off. And they would have to hire up.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    The game will never port to tablets because high-end PCs can barely run the game the way its coded without having to restart every couple hours. That sort of memory leak has existed in every iteration of MTGO since its inception and I have absolutely zero faith in WOTC to hire the appropriate amount or caliber of staff to resolve that issue.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    The game will never port to tablets because high-end PCs can barely run the game the way its coded without having to restart every couple hours. That sort of memory leak has existed in every iteration of MTGO since its inception and I have absolutely zero faith in WOTC to hire the appropriate amount or caliber of staff to resolve that issue.

    That's not really relevant at all. A port would be a completely new client-side code base.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited March 2019
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    The game will never port to tablets because high-end PCs can barely run the game the way its coded without having to restart every couple hours. That sort of memory leak has existed in every iteration of MTGO since its inception and I have absolutely zero faith in WOTC to hire the appropriate amount or caliber of staff to resolve that issue.

    My laptop runs Arena just fine and it cost less than $500. MTGO has nothing to do with this.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    If your laptop is somehow immune to the Arena memory leak, that would surprise me, but it's not unbelievably surprising. Every streamer I've seen has to restart the program every couple of hours because of it, though.

    Saying "MTGO had nothing to do with this" is both accurate and meaningless, as it's just a measure of setting their history resolving memory leak issues. DOTP didn't have them near as bad as MTGO or Arena, and I would have imagined the inner workings of the programs would be more comparable to DOTP than MTGO but, here we are.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Arena definitely has a memory leak.

    It's still not relevant to a port.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    it's relevant in the "expectations set by historical precedent" sense

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2019
    I guess. But the statement "Arena has a memory leak and will therefore not run on a tablet" isn't an expectation set based on historical precedent, it's based on not understanding how ports work. Even the statement "the team that made Arena is not competent and therefore will be unable to make a good tablet version" is irrelevant because a mobile version would be built by a completely new team.

    What you could say is that WotC consistently underpays devs* and is therefore likely working with a far less experienced** and far more overworked team than they should be for the scale of application they're developing. However, Arena is far and away the strongest thing WotC has developed internally*** it came out quickly, iterated quickly, and is pretty damn polished despite lingering issues. So it's quite possible they've stepped up what they're willing to put out for dev work.

    *and likely everyone else, but it's harder to get away with it for devs in this area

    **I'm not going to say "less competent" because that's a super fucked up thing to say

    ***Duels was built externally. Also fun story: the team that built Duels also worked heavily on the newest version of Magic Online, looooool.

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    SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    I think the more serious issue with porting to phones/tablets is what do you do when you have a reliquary tower and then cast hydroid krasis for 16. That shit's already hard enough to select with a mouse.

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    SLyM wrote: »
    I think the more serious issue with porting to phones/tablets is what do you do when you have a reliquary tower and then cast hydroid krasis for 16. That shit's already hard enough to select with a mouse.

    Yeah there is significant issue with phones in particular where every other digital card game was designed from bottom-up to work on a phone viewport, but Magic was designed in 1993.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    If your laptop is somehow immune to the Arena memory leak, that would surprise me, but it's not unbelievably surprising. Every streamer I've seen has to restart the program every couple of hours because of it, though

    My bad, I was not aware of the Arena memory leak and thought you were confusing the two platforms for some reason.

    Also, the fact that I don't often play for hours on end (while streaming, which can't help) is probably a factor. Although I have played several 7-1 traditional drafts without incident so it must be a significant duration required before it becomes noticeable.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    That certainly is a thing I have feelings about, and I am not sure what those feelings are or how to unpack them.

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    WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    Whippy wrote: »
    Time to build that 4 treasure hunt 2 zombie infestation 54 land deck

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    I’ve bought into modern

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    Lord PalingtonLord Palington he.him.his History-loving pal!Registered User regular
    Won't this only get better if they do the new mulligan rule?

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    WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    yes that was kind of the impetus

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Whippy wrote: »
    yes that was kind of the impetus

    Whoa dog who you callin an impetus

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    WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    What really put me over the edge was getting another chance to play cards with dack fayden, greatest thief in the multiverse in the art

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Whippy wrote: »
    What really put me over the edge was getting another chance to play cards with dack fayden, greatest thief in the multiverse in the art

    just play vintage, where dack is like the second best walker

    ez

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    So i havent played magic in a while, was messing around on arena yesterday and when i mulliganed i got to scry. Is that a new rule? What else has changed in the last couple years?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2019
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    So i havent played magic in a while, was messing around on arena yesterday and when i mulliganed i got to scry. Is that a new rule? What else has changed in the last couple years?

    The scry thing has been for a long while. The legend rule is probably the biggest change recently.

    Each side can have the same copy of a legend. And planeswalkers too. And you can have like, multiple Jaces but not the same legendary Jace out (all planeswalker cards have been errata’d to be Legendary)

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    So i havent played magic in a while, was messing around on arena yesterday and when i mulliganed i got to scry. Is that a new rule? What else has changed in the last couple years?

    Newish yeah. The only other thing that jumps to mind that you might notice is that you no longer deal damage to Planeswalkers by targeting a player and then redirecting. You just target the PW.

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