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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Hollowing out the franchise and using it as a Discworld-suit.

    This doesn't mean it can't be good, but it does mean somebody thinks it needs the leg up that trading on the Discworld legacy provides.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    That thread doesn't have any actual female wizards, just one wizard hopeful. There could very well be the discrimination you crave.

    Or, you know, they'll tailor it to the sexual discrimination of our current generation instead of one from 20-30 years ago.

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    AstharielAsthariel The Book Eater Registered User regular
    I have no idea for whom exactly are they making this show, considering all those changes.

    People that liked Discworld as it was will propably ignore it.

    People that dont care about Discworld will have no reason to watch a Discworld show anyway.

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    I ain't got a problem with Vetinari being a woman now, but this...



    Throat Dibbler as a gang leader rather than a luckless sausage salesman? I'm not sure I buy that.

    Are they definitely the same person? Or is CMOT a relation?
    That said, CMOT Dibbler being the luckless franchisee/useless cousin henchmen/cover for his wife's/daughter's gang would work perfectly.

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    CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Asthariel wrote: »
    I have no idea for whom exactly are they making this show, considering all those changes.

    People that liked Discworld as it was will propably ignore it.

    People that dont care about Discworld will have no reason to watch a Discworld show anyway.

    TV shows are complicated beasts with a lot of moving parts. At some point their intent was probably to make a relatively faithful, if maybe somewhat updated, Discworld Watch show. Then writers show up with ideas and casting happens and stuff changes.

    The Magicians TV show bears almost no resemblance to the book series at this point and only had a moderate familiarity with it in even its first season but it's excellent TV.

    I'd have liked to see a more faithful Discworld Watch show but either this show will suck, in which case it doesn't really matter, or it'll be good in which case it and the books can both exist and I can enjoy both.

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Hollowing out the franchise and using it as a Discworld-suit.

    This doesn't mean it can't be good, but it does mean somebody thinks it needs the leg up that trading on the Discworld legacy provides.

    Yeah, this is my concern too.

    I don't mind the gender changes for the most part. Books that started ~30+ years ago tend to be kind of male-oriented, and mixing that up a bit I'm OK with.

    And to be honest, Anna Chancellor looks so appropriately Vetinari-like that I'm fine with it.

    Dibbler being a woman I'm not sold on, but the backstory listed (and the other changes) is where it starts to make me lose interest. Though Tastyfish's idea that this is the competent wife of the person we know to be CMOT, could work.

    I don't expect a page by page recitation of the books. Mainly, there's often some literary ideas that won't translate. Puns that won't work on film that do on text.

    But I expect that the person charged with bringing the work to the audience, is one invested in keeping the heart of the original author's work intact (like Feige did for the MCU), and not trying to stamp their authority on it (like Snyder did DCU).

    I'm not sold on it yet. I'll probably give it a shot, but it'll need to impress.

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    EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    I doubt Rhianna Pratchett would gve her blessing if she had an issue with these changes.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I just need to hear her Vetinari voice cause that is like, 90% of the character right there.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    I wish there was a way to Find and Replace all the proper nouns in the subtitles or something, so I could trick my brain into not caring about the changes

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    I just need to hear her Vetinari voice cause that is like, 90% of the character right there.

    That's a thing of pure class and power, anything mundane as the gender of the person speaking with it is pretty irrelevant and I'm pretty sure she can do the voice. I think that's one of the bits of casting that, if they can get the cinematography right, is going to be one of those obvious in hindsight cases - despite the title 'Patrician' suggesting a certain casting.

    Infact, that she is a woman but still clearly 'the Patrician' to all concerned is probably the most Vetinari thing you could do.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    She was an excellent chilly bad guy in Spooks, and we’ve already had two dude Vetinaris, so why not.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    WHO the character is is much more important to me than what they are (gender, species, etc.)

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    All-troll reboot, please

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    All-troll reboot, please

    Have we seen any trolls yet? Throat could be a stand in for Chrysoprase if they're replacing all the trolls. Though how the heck that relates to CMOT Dibbler I have no clue. Those characters are super different.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    I just need to hear her Vetinari voice cause that is like, 90% of the character right there.

    That's a thing of pure class and power, anything mundane as the gender of the person speaking with it is pretty irrelevant and I'm pretty sure she can do the voice. I think that's one of the bits of casting that, if they can get the cinematography right, is going to be one of those obvious in hindsight cases - despite the title 'Patrician' suggesting a certain casting.

    Infact, that she is a woman but still clearly 'the Patrician' to all concerned is probably the most Vetinari thing you could do.

    I mean, I just want the voice to fit the character. When I think of Vetinari I always think of something akin to Shere Khan in a suit giving vague threats that you had better follow because that tiger in a suit is a tiger in a suit.

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    I just need to hear her Vetinari voice cause that is like, 90% of the character right there.

    That's a thing of pure class and power, anything mundane as the gender of the person speaking with it is pretty irrelevant and I'm pretty sure she can do the voice. I think that's one of the bits of casting that, if they can get the cinematography right, is going to be one of those obvious in hindsight cases - despite the title 'Patrician' suggesting a certain casting.

    Infact, that she is a woman but still clearly 'the Patrician' to all concerned is probably the most Vetinari thing you could do.

    I mean, I just want the voice to fit the character. When I think of Vetinari I always think of something akin to Shere Khan in a suit giving vague threats that you had better follow because that tiger in a suit is a tiger in a suit.

    Shere Khan's voice is a little more luxurious and indulgent than I imagine the Patrician, he knows he's a tiger and it's very obvious that he is and what he can do.
    The Patrician to me is a little more leading, guiding you towards certain paths and letting you come to your own conclusions without any doubt that not only did you come to those conclusions of your own free will but that this was the only outcome that it could have been.

    A barely concealed hint of threat, or rather a clear hint to a concealed threat, rather than an outright promise of violence.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    I just need to hear her Vetinari voice cause that is like, 90% of the character right there.

    That's a thing of pure class and power, anything mundane as the gender of the person speaking with it is pretty irrelevant and I'm pretty sure she can do the voice. I think that's one of the bits of casting that, if they can get the cinematography right, is going to be one of those obvious in hindsight cases - despite the title 'Patrician' suggesting a certain casting.

    Infact, that she is a woman but still clearly 'the Patrician' to all concerned is probably the most Vetinari thing you could do.

    I mean, I just want the voice to fit the character. When I think of Vetinari I always think of something akin to Shere Khan in a suit giving vague threats that you had better follow because that tiger in a suit is a tiger in a suit.

    Shere Khan's voice is a little more luxurious and indulgent than I imagine the Patrician, he knows he's a tiger and it's very obvious that he is and what he can do.
    The Patrician to me is a little more leading, guiding you towards certain paths and letting you come to your own conclusions without any doubt that not only did you come to those conclusions of your own free will but that this was the only outcome that it could have been.

    A barely concealed hint of threat, or rather a clear hint to a concealed threat, rather than an outright promise of violence.

    I am guessing you never watched Talespin as a child

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    While Tony Jay's voice is excellent it's a little too... decadent? for Vetinari. Shere Khan is very rounded, Vetinari I imagine is quite sharp.

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    I think the only change that's bugged me so far is Cheery as non binary, given she was previously an excellent trans* metaphor.

    I'm all for non-binary representation (hells I am non binary), but at the expense of trans*? Noooo thank you.

    Everything else feels like I'll wait and see. FemVet I actually really like

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    While Tony Jay's voice is excellent it's a little too... decadent? for Vetinari. Shere Khan is very rounded, Vetinari I imagine is quite sharp.

    I've sometimes thought of it as along the lines of early Lex Luthor/ Kingpin, when they have to maintain the mask of not being criminal masterminds. Only, you know, not evil.

    Or Jonathan Frakes in Gargoyles. But, again, not a villain.

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    I just need to hear her Vetinari voice cause that is like, 90% of the character right there.

    That's a thing of pure class and power, anything mundane as the gender of the person speaking with it is pretty irrelevant and I'm pretty sure she can do the voice. I think that's one of the bits of casting that, if they can get the cinematography right, is going to be one of those obvious in hindsight cases - despite the title 'Patrician' suggesting a certain casting.

    Infact, that she is a woman but still clearly 'the Patrician' to all concerned is probably the most Vetinari thing you could do.

    I mean, I just want the voice to fit the character. When I think of Vetinari I always think of something akin to Shere Khan in a suit giving vague threats that you had better follow because that tiger in a suit is a tiger in a suit.

    Shere Khan's voice is a little more luxurious and indulgent than I imagine the Patrician, he knows he's a tiger and it's very obvious that he is and what he can do.
    The Patrician to me is a little more leading, guiding you towards certain paths and letting you come to your own conclusions without any doubt that not only did you come to those conclusions of your own free will but that this was the only outcome that it could have been.

    A barely concealed hint of threat, or rather a clear hint to a concealed threat, rather than an outright promise of violence.

    I am guessing you never watched Talespin as a child

    Shere Khan has the voice of a King, assured of their power yet having it made clear when the guards move suddenly take a step towards you to underline a unspoken threat. Shere Khan tells you what you are going to do, and has utter confidence in himself, his position and the position he has put you in.

    Vetinari I think has a bit more tension in it, in a testing kind of way. The kind of voice that makes it clear that, despite seemingly being alone in a room with a relatively small man sitting on a wooden chair, you are in mortal peril as he asks; "So, what is it that you intend to do?"

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    NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    I'm fine with Dibbler being a woman. I'm decidedly not fine with Dibbler being "the city's best snitch" with a "gang of freelance henchmen". That is not CMOT Dibbler. If the story you want to tell has a character that is not in the source material, make up a new character with a new name. Don't try to change an original, fan favorite character.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    I just need to hear her Vetinari voice cause that is like, 90% of the character right there.

    That's a thing of pure class and power, anything mundane as the gender of the person speaking with it is pretty irrelevant and I'm pretty sure she can do the voice. I think that's one of the bits of casting that, if they can get the cinematography right, is going to be one of those obvious in hindsight cases - despite the title 'Patrician' suggesting a certain casting.

    Infact, that she is a woman but still clearly 'the Patrician' to all concerned is probably the most Vetinari thing you could do.

    I mean, I just want the voice to fit the character. When I think of Vetinari I always think of something akin to Shere Khan in a suit giving vague threats that you had better follow because that tiger in a suit is a tiger in a suit.

    Shere Khan's voice is a little more luxurious and indulgent than I imagine the Patrician, he knows he's a tiger and it's very obvious that he is and what he can do.
    The Patrician to me is a little more leading, guiding you towards certain paths and letting you come to your own conclusions without any doubt that not only did you come to those conclusions of your own free will but that this was the only outcome that it could have been.

    A barely concealed hint of threat, or rather a clear hint to a concealed threat, rather than an outright promise of violence.

    I am guessing you never watched Talespin as a child

    Shere Khan has the voice of a King, assured of their power yet having it made clear when the guards move suddenly take a step towards you to underline a unspoken threat. Shere Khan tells you what you are going to do, and has utter confidence in himself, his position and the position he has put you in.

    Vetinari I think has a bit more tension in it, in a testing kind of way. The kind of voice that makes it clear that, despite seemingly being alone in a room with a relatively small man sitting on a wooden chair, you are in mortal peril as he asks; "So, what is it that you intend to do?"

    So Tywin Lannister.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Also I 100% do not care about CMOT Dibbler. He's a side character that makes you go "huh neat" when you see him. He's not at all crucial to the whole Watch story.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    I just need to hear her Vetinari voice cause that is like, 90% of the character right there.

    That's a thing of pure class and power, anything mundane as the gender of the person speaking with it is pretty irrelevant and I'm pretty sure she can do the voice. I think that's one of the bits of casting that, if they can get the cinematography right, is going to be one of those obvious in hindsight cases - despite the title 'Patrician' suggesting a certain casting.

    Infact, that she is a woman but still clearly 'the Patrician' to all concerned is probably the most Vetinari thing you could do.

    I mean, I just want the voice to fit the character. When I think of Vetinari I always think of something akin to Shere Khan in a suit giving vague threats that you had better follow because that tiger in a suit is a tiger in a suit.

    Shere Khan's voice is a little more luxurious and indulgent than I imagine the Patrician, he knows he's a tiger and it's very obvious that he is and what he can do.
    The Patrician to me is a little more leading, guiding you towards certain paths and letting you come to your own conclusions without any doubt that not only did you come to those conclusions of your own free will but that this was the only outcome that it could have been.

    A barely concealed hint of threat, or rather a clear hint to a concealed threat, rather than an outright promise of violence.

    I am guessing you never watched Talespin as a child

    Shere Khan has the voice of a King, assured of their power yet having it made clear when the guards move suddenly take a step towards you to underline a unspoken threat. Shere Khan tells you what you are going to do, and has utter confidence in himself, his position and the position he has put you in.

    Vetinari I think has a bit more tension in it, in a testing kind of way. The kind of voice that makes it clear that, despite seemingly being alone in a room with a relatively small man sitting on a wooden chair, you are in mortal peril as he asks; "So, what is it that you intend to do?"

    So Tywin Lannister.

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Also I 100% do not care about CMOT Dibbler. He's a side character that makes you go "huh neat" when you see him. He's not at all crucial to the whole Watch story.

    I don't know there, he's not a big part in Vime's story but think he's an integral part of the Watch/Anhk Morpork one.
    It's the part Delboy guy who starts off as just one of the regular street level guys who might be vaguely useful (always there at the edges ready to sidle up and sell a sausage inna bun) who is also kind of watching the city change, and is the first to leap into the new craze, only to find it collapse around him and return him to selling sausages. Despite his failure, he's the one other person who has seen what Anhk Morpork can and will become.

    Having him as a crime boss definitely raises the stakes (I'm disappointed we didn't start a Guards! Guards! but Men at Arms is a good jumping in point) from the beginning and pitches him more as an adversary rather than a fellow observer to Vimes.

    Unless the Media Guy just doesn't understand the reference when CMOT Dibbler is described as a person who has a keen understanding of the man on the street and someone who has their fingers in many pies...

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Guards! Guards! is arguably a bad jumping off point because basically none of thecharacters are like they are for the rest of the series.

    Vimes is never again a drunkard and Carrot is always the man about town

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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Also I 100% do not care about CMOT Dibbler. He's a side character that makes you go "huh neat" when you see him. He's not at all crucial to the whole Watch story.

    That's my thinking. He's a famous character, but other than 1 or 2 books he doesn't feature that heavily in the plot.

    To include him in something like a TV show that has much stricter time/location constraints they had to change his role.

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    LJDouglasLJDouglas Registered User regular
    All the race and gender changes to the various character announced so far are...whatever, CMOT or Vetinari being a man or Lady Sybil being white wasn't really relevant to their characters, but there just seem to be such an enormous number of alterations to the actual characters. Lady Sybil being a young adventurous, young, slim character seems vastly different from the books. Angua being Carrot's superior in the Watch could work, but half her characterization in the books was wondering if she was following him because the human half of her liked him or the wolf half was acting like a loyal dog. Having a woman wanting into Unseen University, the male magic of wizards was always sharply contrasted against the female magic of witches. Plus as previously mentioned, making Cheery non-binary when her choosing to act as a woman in defiance of the rigid gender roles (well role) of dwarven society was at the heart of her character. Hell, the one instance of race being somewhat important, Vimes supposedly looks remarkably similar to John Keel, Richard Dormer and Hakeem Kae-Kazim are rather unlikely to be mistaken for one another. Also, shouldn't Keel be dead by the present the show's taking place in?

    It just feels like so many elements of the show are deviating massively from the books that someone took an original idea and started sticking Discworld character names onto them. It could work, but with so much being changed it just seems strange to keep the Discworld name on it.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    in the grand scheme of things Carcer is more important than CMOT to the watch’s story.

    CMOT is just like, a one note punchline.

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    ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    Also I 100% do not care about CMOT Dibbler. He's a side character that makes you go "huh neat" when you see him. He's not at all crucial to the whole Watch story.

    That's my thinking. He's a famous character, but other than 1 or 2 books he doesn't feature that heavily in the plot.

    To include him in something like a TV show that has much stricter time/location constraints they had to change his role.
    Why not just make a new character, then?

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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    Also I 100% do not care about CMOT Dibbler. He's a side character that makes you go "huh neat" when you see him. He's not at all crucial to the whole Watch story.

    That's my thinking. He's a famous character, but other than 1 or 2 books he doesn't feature that heavily in the plot.

    To include him in something like a TV show that has much stricter time/location constraints they had to change his role.
    Why not just make a new character, then?

    Because he's a well known and liked character and they wanted to include him.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    Also I 100% do not care about CMOT Dibbler. He's a side character that makes you go "huh neat" when you see him. He's not at all crucial to the whole Watch story.

    That's my thinking. He's a famous character, but other than 1 or 2 books he doesn't feature that heavily in the plot.

    To include him in something like a TV show that has much stricter time/location constraints they had to change his role.
    Why not just make a new character, then?

    Because he's a well known and liked character and they wanted to include him.

    Except, evidently they aren't.

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    NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    in the grand scheme of things Carcer is more important than CMOT to the watch’s story.

    CMOT is just like, a one note punchline.
    Yes exactly. So have him in one scene, play out his joke, and give your important character a new name. Or don't even have Dibbler show up at all. Doesn't matter a whole lot.

    What matters is that the makers of any adaptation of an original work understand and care about what makes the original entertaining. Note that is not the same as strictly following cannon. Jackson made innumerable changes to LOTR, but his movies were faithful to the spirit of the books. I'm not getting that intention from this Discworld adaptation.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    in the grand scheme of things Carcer is more important than CMOT to the watch’s story.

    CMOT is just like, a one note punchline.

    I take it you never read Moving Pictures?

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    in the grand scheme of things Carcer is more important than CMOT to the watch’s story.

    CMOT is just like, a one note punchline.

    I take it you never read Moving Pictures?

    Or Soul Music.

    Or The Truth.

    He has a number of times he comes up in supporting roles.

    Moreover he is a kind of living incarnation of the temporarily embarrassed millionaire entrepreneur. In that role he's actually relevant in a broadly thematic way.

    Also he is either a one note character, which why the fuck use that name if he's irrelevant, or he's important enough to make sure you represent, then why the fuck completely change the character.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I have read those books like, a million years ago.

    I wouldn’t call that stuff super integral to the watch anymore than say, Monstrous Regiments was

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Throat Dibbler wore the lilac, you bastards

    *gets carried off by kind people with a jacket that fastens in the back*

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    LJDouglas wrote: »
    All the race and gender changes to the various character announced so far are...whatever, CMOT or Vetinari being a man or Lady Sybil being white wasn't really relevant to their characters, but there just seem to be such an enormous number of alterations to the actual characters. Lady Sybil being a young adventurous, young, slim character seems vastly different from the books. Angua being Carrot's superior in the Watch could work, but half her characterization in the books was wondering if she was following him because the human half of her liked him or the wolf half was acting like a loyal dog. Having a woman wanting into Unseen University, the male magic of wizards was always sharply contrasted against the female magic of witches. Plus as previously mentioned, making Cheery non-binary when her choosing to act as a woman in defiance of the rigid gender roles (well role) of dwarven society was at the heart of her character. Hell, the one instance of race being somewhat important, Vimes supposedly looks remarkably similar to John Keel, Richard Dormer and Hakeem Kae-Kazim are rather unlikely to be mistaken for one another. Also, shouldn't Keel be dead by the present the show's taking place in?

    It just feels like so many elements of the show are deviating massively from the books that someone took an original idea and started sticking Discworld character names onto them. It could work, but with so much being changed it just seems strange to keep the Discworld name on it.

    Wait, what the fuck? Sybil is specifically none of those things. She's built like her ancestors were headkickers, but she's not. She's clearly past her young stage, emphasized heavily in the books.

    Yeah, this is sounding more and more like someone's taking the piss at just how wrong they can make things. I doubt that's the reality, but it's still not far from the truth.

    Also, I always pictured Alexei Sayle of 30 years ago as the one-note CMOT Dibbler. Don't recall reading the books where he was a more substantial character.

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    TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    I'm starting to think that this is going to be an adaptation in the sense that they're using the character names and that's really the only thing that'll be similar at all to the books.

    edit: If Ankh-Morpork even remotely looks like a place I'd like to live I'm turning it off.

    Trace on
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