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[Discworld] Who Watches The Watchmen In The Watch?

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    You know what, fuck it

    Wizards now live in cottages in the woods, Unseen University is the place where gnomes go to learn civic engineering

    Vimes grew up in Bad Blintz and his mum is a vampire werewolf

    Leonard of Quirm has a podcast where he rants about millennial snowflakes

    Stoneface Vimes was the Empress of Klatch

    Trolls are made out of lettuce

    Angua was born in The Shades and is married to Chalky

    All cities are built on individual tortoises who roam the Sto Plains fighting each other

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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    TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    I appreciate the digging and that sounds pretty damning to me.
    Not a kind hint to be found anywhere there...

    ffs.

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Vetinari as female is weird to me since I've got a really strong image of him as a Christopher Lee/Vincent Price looking guy, but they're not available for the role (nor is Alan Rickman) I guess whatever. If this means that they'll be changing her first name I will be unhappy because Havelock is just too good to get rid of.

    Changing CMOT Dibbler is garbage. Either include him or don't, but using the name for an utterly different character is pretty messed up. I'm iffy about the female wizard since that might mean they're going with Unseen University as an actual place of learning full of capable and powerful wizards, as opposed to what it generally was in most of the books, a very nice open air prison/loony bin designed to keep wizards distracted and well fed so they don't muck things up for everyone else. With the exception of Ponder.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I am still curious about how it goes. It was never going to be exactly Pratchett, but that doesn't mean it can't be it's own Discworld thing.

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    NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    I appreciate the digging and that sounds pretty damning to me.
    Not a kind hint to be found anywhere there...

    ffs.

    She's following the old adage "if you don't have something nice to day, don't say anything at all". She does go out of her way to point out how the previous production was "good times". She's saying "this production is shite" as loudly as she can while appearing neutral. A very Discworld thing to do, I thing.

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Aridhol wrote: »
    I appreciate the digging and that sounds pretty damning to me.
    Not a kind hint to be found anywhere there...

    ffs.

    She's following the old adage "if you don't have something nice to day, don't say anything at all". She does go out of her way to point out how the previous production was "good times". She's saying "this production is shite" as loudly as she can while appearing neutral. A very Discworld thing to do, I thing.

    She's also some sort of employed/owner in one of the production companies. If she were to offer up a negative personal opinion she would quite likely be sued.

    It sure feels like the complete absence of her positive statements about the current production is a statement in itself.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    She also isn't involved at all in the production, and it's only just started filming, so who knows. Maybe it'll be a car crash, maybe it'll be great. I don't care that they've changed Vetinari's gender, anyway.

    The previous Discworld adaptations were, in the bits of them I could actually bear to watch, reasonably faithful but also quite bad. I will accept a less faithful but actually good adaptation.

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    TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    My thoughts about this are basically negative at this point. I don't care about the gender changes, I care about the character changes.

    Really my opinion about this all can be summed up in a single phrase.

    Si non confectus, non reficiat

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    EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    Well, disregard my previous message then. That makes Rhianna's involvement and lack thereof pretty clear.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    At any rate, I am finishing up my annual reread Nights Watch and holy shit I cannot help but get super emotional all throughout the end of the book.

    It’s so fucking good.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Also does anyone else notice how fucking often Pratchett will turn a throwaway line or joke from one book into the the major conceit of a future book

    Vimes talks about the economics of shoes in Men at Arms and how his boots are so cheap you can practically feel the cobbles of the street through them and in Night Watch him feeling the street in his shoes is a major plot point.

    In Night Watch he constantly talks about "the beast" and how he uses this part of his persona and in Thud! that's like, the entire fucking book right there.

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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    I started back up with Guards, Guards! and it’s striking how different some of the early iterations of the characters are. I feel like The Patrician changes the most, but Vimes goes from being a useless drunken mess to an actual leader.

    But then again, Nobby and Colon are basically the same characters as in later books, Lady Sybil is wonderful from the start, and Carrot, though a bit dim, is basically the same person just with a limited worldview which is remedied by simply spending time walking the streets of Ankh-Morpork.

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    WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    Vimes's drunkenness in the first book is impt, because he tries very hard in the next books to kick that habit.

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    Endless_SerpentsEndless_Serpents Registered User regular
    You know, I’m currently writing my first novel, and a devil on my shoulder keeps saying, “Look at this bargain-bin wannabe Terry Pratchett knock-off!”

    Fortunately up on a precarious ledge a Nac Mac Feegle replies, “Aye! What a lofty goal is that!”



    Also I’m going to start reading Hogfather to my nieces later today.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    You know, I’m currently writing my first novel, and a devil on my shoulder keeps saying, “Look at this bargain-bin wannabe Terry Pratchett knock-off!”

    Fortunately up on a precarious ledge a Nac Mac Feegle replies, “Aye! What a lofty goal is that!”



    Also I’m going to start reading Hogfather to my nieces later today.

    I mean, 40% of Pratchett out of the gate would get me to buy all your novels.
    He's Everest but there are plenty of other mountains people love to climb.

    MORE people should knock off Pratchett.
    Witt, Comedy, Drama, Tragedy in an easy to digest world is sorely needed.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean, the first few pratchett books are really rough.

    You can't compare Colour of Magic to Night's Watch.

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    Endless_SerpentsEndless_Serpents Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Thanks gang.

    What’s a good accent and intonation for Teatime? I’m thinking of trying to sound like a possessed porcelain doll, very dainty and deliberately slow. Southern accent, as posh people are inherently more evil than the working class.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Childlike

    I don't think slow works, he's a chipper fellow

    Edit: 100% on posh, though

    If nothing else, he's an Assassin - if he didn't start posh, he's ended up posh

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    I don't understand this timeline at all.

    Carcer is in it, which suggests either really late Watch or really early Watch timeline. Keel is in it (as the former leader of the Watch, not former as in deceased and very not in a "about to be mistaken for an older Sam Vimes in any possible way" version), which suggests that something has gone wrong.

    Vetinari is in it as the Patrician, let's see what it says here, "with the combining characteristics of Dracula and Elvis". Because... when I think of Havelock Vetinari, I think of Elvis?

    Lupine Wonse is in it, which suggests Guards Guards, but not as Vetinari's secretary?

    This feels like the Injustice: Gods Among Us of Discworld. Weird versions of existing characters, plucked out of different timelines and thrown into a mixer.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Also Dr Cruces is in it, which suggests Men at Arms.

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Also Dr Cruces is in it, which suggests Men at Arms.

    Yeah, from the sounds of well... everything about this project, I wouldn't be counting on consistency of timeline.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It just seems a little odd. Like Carcer I understand, when he's introduced he's introduced in such a way that the book acts like he's been around for a while.

    But like, Keel? His whole thing is that he was there for a week and then died. Cruces is in the background for two books and then is gone.

    The silly thing about it is that Night Watch gives the name of Vimes old retired captain. And Men at Arms talks about the 'sergeant on duty when Vimes first joined' which you can retcon as the dude that transferred after Keel.

    But like.

    If you just need a random ass name, the books have random ass names out the wazzoo.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Maybe there will be flashbacks?

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    SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    This sounds more and more like some Hollywood execs getting their hands on the IP and going "ok but how do we make this interesting for the masses?" and "kids like the iron mans now right?"

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    EvermournEvermourn Registered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    This sounds more and more like some Hollywood execs getting their hands on the IP and going "ok but how do we make this interesting for the masses?" and "kids like the iron mans now right?"

    Actually Iron Man's suit is basically a golem given it has an AI.... Has anyone done that in fantasy? Power armor golem suits?

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    NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    I'm pretty sure I've seen golem mechs in some anime, but I can't think of any power armor off the top of my head. Western fantasy doesn't tend to mix with sci-fi these days, although there are exceptions.

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    pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    Evermourn wrote: »
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    This sounds more and more like some Hollywood execs getting their hands on the IP and going "ok but how do we make this interesting for the masses?" and "kids like the iron mans now right?"

    Actually Iron Man's suit is basically a golem given it has an AI.... Has anyone done that in fantasy? Power armor golem suits?

    Spoilers from Dragon Age (though we're talking a decade old at this point)
    Golems in the Dragon Age setting are dwarves that have been permanently sealed into metal/rock suits, often against their will.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    I'm sure that there's some kind of power armour golem analogue in Warhammer 40k

    Just replace the chem with the brainstem of a convicted murderer

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    NorgothNorgoth cardiffRegistered User regular
    I'm sure that there's some kind of power armour golem analogue in Warhammer 40k

    Just replace the chem with the brainstem of a convicted murderer

    This is what Thousand Sons Rubrics are. Literal power armour golems.

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    I'm sure that there's some kind of power armour golem analogue in Warhammer 40k

    Just replace the chem with the brainstem of a convicted murderer

    I don't think there's anything like power armor with that sort of action in 40k. At least as far as armour that someone wears and the armour has some sort of personality and intellect. Weird machine spirits everywhere though, so someone could do something with that. The Culture novels slap AI's in everything.

    Generally, I think that fantasy has tended to slap personalities and whatnot into weapons more than into armour. I think one of the first Discworld books had an annoying talking sword in it. He moved away from the more standardish fantasy stuff, but I think a talking magic shield would have been a sidekick character that he could have done good work with. It'd get to complain about constantly being beaten on and the fact that magic swords always get the good press before finally convincing the protagonist that preserving life is more important than taking life.

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    SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    You know, I’m currently writing my first novel, and a devil on my shoulder keeps saying, “Look at this bargain-bin wannabe Terry Pratchett knock-off!”

    Fortunately up on a precarious ledge a Nac Mac Feegle replies, “Aye! What a lofty goal is that!”



    Also I’m going to start reading Hogfather to my nieces later today.

    Fun fact: I discarded my first attempt at writing a novel because no matter what I did, my comedic sci-fi noir would never be elevated beyond Pratchett-imitating hackery. The man looms large over fantastical humour.

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    edited November 2019
    daveNYC wrote: »
    I'm sure that there's some kind of power armour golem analogue in Warhammer 40k

    Just replace the chem with the brainstem of a convicted murderer

    I don't think there's anything like power armor with that sort of action in 40k. At least as far as armour that someone wears and the armour has some sort of personality and intellect. Weird machine spirits everywhere though, so someone could do something with that. The Culture novels slap AI's in everything.

    Generally, I think that fantasy has tended to slap personalities and whatnot into weapons more than into armour. I think one of the first Discworld books had an annoying talking sword in it. He moved away from the more standardish fantasy stuff, but I think a talking magic shield would have been a sidekick character that he could have done good work with. It'd get to complain about constantly being beaten on and the fact that magic swords always get the good press before finally convincing the protagonist that preserving life is more important than taking life.

    iirc Phoenix Lords in 40k are basically haunted suits of armour that possess the poor sod that finds them/gets the honour of wearing the suit until they die.

    I really like the personality that the gonne shows, it's never quite clear if it's a genuine malevolent presence or just an expression of the idea that guns make people do bad things. Frankly it could be both

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    ChiselphaneChiselphane Registered User regular
    First production photos from The Watch are out.

    http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2020/01/first-look-photos-bbc-americas-the-watch-starring-richard-dormer?fbclid=IwAR2sG2ACtKo3mBEoTbAohaCcnFTqy_o1Idz2MNj-krooWfnG2_Hkh2qBYWI

    I pretty much don't want to watch this anymore. It's just going to make me angry, and sad for what could/should have been. The sheer amount of WRONG just in these photos alone is almost staggering.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Definitely just taking the names at this point

    But if they can translate Pratchett's humor to this endeavor it might be still worth watching

    I wouldn't get my hopes up

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I am apparently alone in loving the art direction and urban waste style of these shots.

    I vaguely always wanted Ankh Morpork to look like Kings Landing meets The Super Mario Brother movie.

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    SharpyVIISharpyVII Registered User regular


    Subtle shade from either Rhianna Pratchett or Rob his assistant.the article concerns another author complaining about how a TV adaptation of their work went awry.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited January 2020
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I am apparently alone in loving the art direction and urban waste style of these shots.

    I vaguely always wanted Ankh Morpork to look like Kings Landing meets The Super Mario Brother movie.

    I like that they are absolutely going for whatever they are doing. I don't know if it'll work until it's in motion

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I am apparently alone in loving the art direction and urban waste style of these shots.

    I vaguely always wanted Ankh Morpork to look like Kings Landing meets The Super Mario Brother movie.

    I like that they are absolutely going for whatever they are doing. I don't know if it'll work until it's in motion

    What they are going for definitely looks interesting and I might even enjoy it in a vacuum. But it should be called something else given all the changes they made. Medieval-Punk police procedural sounds fun. It just isn't Discworld.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    There's what looks like an electric fan in one of the pictures

    Either they didn't care enough to move it out of shot, or they have a very odd idea of the technology level they're working with

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