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2018 Congressional/Senate Election Results Thread

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  • monikermoniker regular Registered User regular
    OremLK wrote: »
    Yeah, the actual ballot part of that looks fine to me.

    It makes a lot of basic graphic design / UX mistakes for no particular reason. It certainly isn't as bad as the butterfly one's, but we really need to hire actual designers for this stuff.

    There are even books and other resources about it.
    https://www.aiga.org/election-tools-resources

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham regular Registered User regular
    Phasen wrote: »
    The ballot is a mess because of all the languages tossed onto the same page. The instructions on page one could cause people to just skip over the two very important choices directly below them because the instructions blend into the selections right below if you arent taking your time.

    That Florida ballot is garbage. Here's ballotpedia's copy.
    https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/7/74/Florida_sample_ballot_(Broward_County).pdf

    Compare it to my ballot: https://vt.ncsbe.gov/RegLkup/SampleBallot?CountyID=92&ElectionID=85&BallotStyle=G028

    The ballot is also a mess because there are at least 5x as many people to vote for as there should be, which is also by design.

    You can defend that ballot a little bit based on the election being a complex series of choices and options, HOWEVER, there's no reason that the instructions needed to be in the same column as the senate vote position. No question that 1% of voters didn't see those options there. Its easy to miss because a lot of people will skip the instructions. Instructions should be available printed on the wall of the polling booth, NOT on the ballot.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Pretty sure it's Haitian creole.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    shouldn't have anything in line with the instructions.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Phasen wrote: »
    et al. That is not what the ballot looks like

    http://www.timaross.com/recommendations/

    is what the ballot looks like.

    That is actually worse then the sample one. There's no sense to the layout, no consistency to the sizing of anything. It's a visual fucking mess.

    Like, ballots do not have to look like this.

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  • PhasenPhasen regular Let's Disrupt the 2020 ElectionRegistered User regular
    This isn't really an lol florida moment(i live in NC for cryin out loud) so please dont take it that way but Browder County should do better for its citizens. The election machine there obviously have issues.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic regular Registered User regular
    Phasen wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    You mean, your locat Vermont ballot that is anglo-centric, assumes you've voted before, and prevents portions of your local population that don't speak english from being able to do it?

    Florida's ballot is fine. The fact they all looked like this but only one county had a reporting problem indicates its not the ballot that is the issue.

    It's from NC. Having ballots in multiple languages is good, but they need to just have a spanish ballot, an english ballot, and I think that is portuguese but I am not very familiar with the other language.

    Eh. I understand the idea and with good faith actors, sure, that's fine. I think in the current environment it'd be real easy to "run out" of spanish ballots.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Broward County really does need to do better.


    Browder is probably a New England county known for tasty cream based seafood stews.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Man, chowder sounds real good right now guys.

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  • MarathonMarathon regular Registered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Broward County really does need to do better.


    Browder is probably a New England county known for tasty cream based seafood stews.

    It’s Browdah, say it Frenchie.

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  • PhasenPhasen regular Let's Disrupt the 2020 ElectionRegistered User regular
    Broward seems like a place that would want to stock up on Spanish ballots.

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  • DoodmannDoodmann regular Registered User regular
    I wonder someone could start a non-profit to redesign ballots.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham regular Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Phasen wrote: »
    et al. That is not what the ballot looks like

    http://www.timaross.com/recommendations/

    is what the ballot looks like.

    That is actually worse then the sample one. There's no sense to the layout, no consistency to the sizing of anything. It's a visual fucking mess.

    Like, ballots do not have to look like this.

    Yeah, the one where I live is MUCH better than this, and thats even considering that there are always federal, state, state props, city (with ranked choice voting) and city props on the ballot. Spacing and fonts are better, and draw the eye, instructions are consistent, and placed in a way which is clearly distinct from the 'voting' area. You also get your ballot like 2 weeks before election day so that everyone can vote by mail if they want, so you have days to vote, not a few minutes being rushed in a booth.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Phasen wrote: »
    Broward seems like a place that would want to stock up on Spanish ballots.

    We literally just came down from a discussion on how the county is poorly managed re: elections.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    this is what my ballot looks like

    https://www.philadelphiavotes.com/ballot_paper/1cc7ffc1-b68e-6b98-6a1e-5bb101e5239b.pdf

    it's not great, but you're never gonna miss a race.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger regular Registered User regular
    I think I’d find it easier to vote on a Spanish-language-only ballot than an insane mashup of 6 languages (and I don’t speak Spanish.) It confuses the eye, probably deliberately.

  • PhasenPhasen regular Let's Disrupt the 2020 ElectionRegistered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Phasen wrote: »
    Broward seems like a place that would want to stock up on Spanish ballots.

    We literally just came down from a discussion on how the county is poorly managed re: elections.

    I think the implication was voter suppression. Poor management is kinda the lay of the land at the moment regardless of whether the ballot is designed poorly.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Broward County really does need to do better.


    Browder is probably a New England county known for tasty cream based seafood stews.

    It’s Browdah, say it Frenchie.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue regular Registered User regular
    This was my ballot:

    https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/general_ballots/frederick.pdf

    The first column is in line with the instructions, but everything is separated out, boxed, crystal clear what you're supposed to do

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  • monikermoniker regular Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I wonder someone could start a non-profit to redesign ballots.

    I linked to the AIGA (professional association for graphic designers) resource guides at the top of the page. The thing is, most any changes to ballot design will be involved since it likely requires changes in law rather than just hiring someone who knows inDesign. These resources are available and free. You just need to get all 3,000+ counties to apply them.

    Also, stop actively disenfranchising people before they even get a better designed ballot to begin with. But that requires everyone actually believing in democracy and free and fair elections as a philosophical prior.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I think I’d find it easier to vote on a Spanish-language-only ballot than an insane mashup of 6 languages (and I don’t speak Spanish.) It confuses the eye, probably deliberately.

    It's more having one ballot for everybody is cheaper and easier.

    The suppression is a bonus.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular


    Nate Silver is a guy who predicted 96% of the elections correctly.

    I think we need Ranked Choice everywhere.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic regular Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »


    Nate Silver is a guy who predicted 96% of the elections correctly.

    I think we need Ranked Choice everywhere.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor regular Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Taramoor wrote: »


    Nate Silver is a guy who predicted 96% of the elections correctly.

    I think we need Ranked Choice everywhere.

    Yes please.

    FL gov is just sitting there with a sub-40k gap, and 100k votes cast for non-starters.

    And, as already discussed at length, it wouldn't hurt to revisit our ballot design.

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  • minor incidentminor incident Helen Keller to the bullshit Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Man, looking at all of these, I'm amazed at how badly designed some ballots are. Those Florida ones are awful.

    The NJ one is not going to win any beauty contests, but it's one of the clearest ballots I've ever encountered:

    http://media.nj.com/hudsoncountynow_impact/photo/jc-election-mockupjpg-e27de3ba04465e8f.jpg

    No weird formatting, no disjointed selections inline with instruction sections. Just choose one from each row. Parties organized into columns.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »


    Nate Silver is a guy who predicted 96% of the elections correctly.

    I think we need Ranked Choice everywhere.

    This is small potatoes stuff, but my community chorus switched to Ranked Choice voting for picking out our repertoire every year about two years ago, and people are FAR happier with the results. Radiolab also recently had a segment about Ireland's elections (which are Ranked Choice. They called it proportional representation by the single transferable vote, but that and Ranked Choice/Instant Runoff amount to the same thing).

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie regular Registered User regular
    Holy crap the Democrats are edging towards taking 40 seats in the House. As it stands that’s the biggest gain since... well, since Watergate :biggrin:


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  • CouscousCouscous regular Registered User regular
    I should have figured it would become the official GOP position that counting the votes is stealing the election.

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  • ViskodViskod regular Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    I should have figured it would become the official GOP position that counting the votes is stealing the election.

    oh my god I thought that was a parody account for a second. But no, he really said that.

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    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
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  • monikermoniker regular Registered User regular
    Holy crap the Democrats are edging towards taking 40 seats in the House. As it stands that’s the biggest gain since... well, since Watergate :biggrin:

    It's less than 2010, but 2010 also had 10% unemployment after a Depression finally bottomed out months before the election.

  • a5ehrena5ehren regular AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »


    Nate Silver is a guy who predicted 96% of the elections correctly.

    I think we need Ranked Choice everywhere.

    This is small potatoes stuff, but my community chorus switched to Ranked Choice voting for picking out our repertoire every year about two years ago, and people are FAR happier with the results. Radiolab also recently had a segment about Ireland's elections (which are Ranked Choice. They called it proportional representation by the single transferable vote, but that and Ranked Choice/Instant Runoff amount to the same thing).

    Yeah, Condorcet-compliant methods of solving multi-choice races are ideal for a lot of things.

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  • CouscousCouscous regular Registered User regular
    I always figured "great people of" was just a fancy way of referring to everybody in a state.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    I will not sit and wait for all the votes to be counted is certainly a take on elections.

    Of course knowing how bush v gore went, I’m not confident either way. But it also makes me think Nelson might have the numbers to take it as otherwise Scott would be content to wait and win.

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  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 regular Registered User regular
    All these blatantly false accusations of fraud in Arizona and Florida are not funny or cute because they are futile at the moment. They are a warning about what they are planning in the future because it's *always* projection.

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  • DivideByZeroDivideByZero Social Justice Blackguard Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    I always figured "great people of" was just a fancy way of referring to everybody in a state.

    Nah means the ones who agree with me.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    All these blatantly false accusations of fraud in Arizona and Florida are not funny or cute because they are futile at the moment. They are a warning about what they are planning in the future because it's *always* projection.

    Past. They spent years suppressing people leading up to these elections.

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  • KetBraKetBra FISTS OF JUSTICE! Registered User regular
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    All these blatantly false accusations of fraud in Arizona and Florida are not funny or cute because they are futile at the moment. They are a warning about what they are planning in the future because it's *always* projection.

    *Looks over at Georgia*

    Yes, the "future"

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  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 regular Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    All these blatantly false accusations of fraud in Arizona and Florida are not funny or cute because they are futile at the moment. They are a warning about what they are planning in the future because it's *always* projection.

    Past. They spent years suppressing people leading up to these elections.

    Voter suppression and election fraud may be on the same continuum, but they aren't interchangeable.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor regular Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Viskod wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    I should have figured it would become the official GOP position that counting the votes is stealing the election.

    oh my god I thought that was a parody account for a second. But no, he really said that.

    He's a genuine piece of shit. I could not fathom his appeal in a pre-Trump world.

    I wish I saved the attack mailers from his first run, because I can't remember the context but I do remember being shocked that they were from an official campaign.

    Of course, that some time ago, they might seem normal now.

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  • ViskodViskod regular Registered User regular
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    All these blatantly false accusations of fraud in Arizona and Florida are not funny or cute because they are futile at the moment. They are a warning about what they are planning in the future because it's *always* projection.

    I see the projection as less of what they are going to do in the future, but as an admission of what they themselves have done in this election. Kemp stole the election from Abrams through sabotage, Scott stole the election from Gillum and Nelson through sabotage.

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    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
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