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[Magic The Gathering: Arena] The CCG that started it all, now F2P. New set incoming

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Jesus.
    Christ.

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    I'm embracing my inner jank and pumping a bunch of my wildcards into a deck that's probably not going to be competitive but seems super fun to play: 5-color Simic Ascendancy/Chamber Sentry.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    I mean, yeah, steamkin is good?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Arena really needs a mobile version so I can lie in bed and play.

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  • furbatfurbat Registered User regular
    edited January 22
    That's what a laptop is for. ^^

    I'm thinking that wildgrowth walker maybe one of the few ways to beat the new RDW reliably. I think there might be a midrange deck with orzov that can do it. But I haven't seen it. Something that runs elanda and teysa. Maybe hero of precinct 1, immortal suns or ajanis. Afterlife is a really strong mechanic. Also, I maintain that bassilica bell haunt is a good anti-rdw tech.

    People are saying that esper control can beat the new RDW but I'm not seeing it. Deck doesn't run enough healing or counterspells to deal with burn.

    I've played around against people running orzov but it's easy to outvalue them. Granted the people I see keep trying to make bad cards work like priest of the forgotten gods. Some combination of midnight reaper, ajani, bloodfast, immortal sun, adantos, or graveyard recursion could make it work. Dawn of Hope might work. I don't think that deck is low enough to the ground to go pure aggro without draw.

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Arena really needs a mobile version so I can lie in bed and play.

    There's no way to play this game on a phone and you'd need a pretty big tablet. You ever played a game when people start generating tokens? You're not going to be able to do anyting on a phone or a tablet.

  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    I play it on a Surface, works pretty well. A game with a shitload of tokens is going to be annoying in any case, with all the clicking required.

  • furbatfurbat Registered User regular
    edited January 22
    I just had a RDW player concede on turn 2 when I dropped wildgrowth walker lol. Feels good.

    But still a little bad because I'm tired of the explore package.

    furbat on
  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    If a deck does not give you joy, let it go~

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  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    I very badly want to make an Orzhov "fuck RDW in particular" deck.

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  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    So much hate for RDW.

    The deck that consistently beats it has always been right there. I also feel that is better vs GB and Turbofog (which is coming back), but worse vs Jeskai, so.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User regular
    Esper control can be a pain for burn and RDW. Absorb on a lightning bolt not only stops three damage but heals them for three. Negate, ionize, kayas wrath to heal more, etc. It's definitely got potential.

    I've been running a mardu deck with Judith and it's been going well. I made it up to diamond 3. Still missing some rare lands though.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    Against RDW, Absorb basically says "Counter target spell, draw a card."

  • furbatfurbat Registered User regular
    Absorb is a 2 for 1, but RDW just runs more burn than esper runs counters or healing. RDW also has more card advantage until teferi hits the board. So RDW has inevitability.

    I feel like people are saying that esper beats it, but I'm not buying it.

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  • furbatfurbat Registered User regular
    Kay wrote: »
    So much hate for RDW.

    The deck that consistently beats it has always been right there. I also feel that is better vs GB and Turbofog (which is coming back), but worse vs Jeskai, so.

    Unless it runs counter spells or can win by turn 5 it isn't good vs turbo fog.

    I'm assuming you are talking about selesnya tokens?

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Teferi is soooo lame tho

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    doing a sealed event at work, i got these cards:
    https://mtgarena.pro/deckbuilder/3146417f4226de8/

    thinking of going WBR, but i'd appreciate some suggestions.

  • morgan_cokemorgan_coke Registered User regular
    The biggest issue with Red decks right now is that there's no recovery from them. You need something like Loxodon Hierarch or Obstinate Baloth or Kitchen Finks to both gain some life and clunk up the ground.

    But since wraths are 5 mana, and all the creatures that gain life on ETB are so fragile that they die to a single generic burn spell, it's pretty tough to recover from their opening, and right now, Red probably has the best card draw in the game with a 1-mana draw 2 and a 3-mana flashback draw 3. This is coupled with lategame power from big resilient and haste fliers.

    The issue is control can't stabilize, and actually gets outdrawn by Red right now, so the meta is very unbalanced.

    tl;dr: the things red is supposed to be bad at - drawing cards and having lategame, it's actually better than control at right now, and at the same time it's good at the things it's supposed to be good at - cheap burn and hasty damaging critters.

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  • BoomerAang SquadBoomerAang Squad Registered User regular
    furbat wrote: »
    Absorb is a 2 for 1, but RDW just runs more burn than esper runs counters or healing. RDW also has more card advantage until teferi hits the board. So RDW has inevitability.

    I feel like people are saying that esper beats it, but I'm not buying it.

    I played against an esper deck last night, which was running Absorb, Revitalize, Vraska's Contempt, Moment of Craving, Kaya's Wrath, Consume, Dawn of Hope, and Devious Coverup and Mirari Conjecture to get their life gain back. Plus the other WU control staples.

    The lowest I got them to was 4, and they were back to 20 by the end.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User regular
    RDW and Burn are two different decks.

    Burn has a lot of burn, yes, but esper running all those things is extremely resilient to getting killed early and once red is top decking and esper has chemisters going for cards, azcanta searching for counters, and teferi keeping things untapped and drawing cards, you have a really hard time breaking through.

    And this is just in BO1. BO3 burn doesn't seem to have much of a chance given the decklists that came out that were 5-0.

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  • cncaudatacncaudata Registered User regular
    Kay wrote: »
    So much hate for RDW.

    The deck that consistently beats it has always been right there. I also feel that is better vs GB and Turbofog (which is coming back), but worse vs Jeskai, so.

    What deck are you talking about here?

    The thing about Red, particularly the new burn deck, is that it is so cheap to build that everyone is playing it. This more pure burn version popularized on reddit had 6000 games a day tracked on mtgarena.pro. That's in addition to the 700 or so the chainwhirler original version had, the 700 of the chainwhirler but for people that don't want to spend a mythic on Rekindling Phoenix version, the 400 by the even cheaper because I don't want to spend even rare wildcards on Risk Factor version, or the hundreds of games by other minor variations.

    I have never seen any other deck over 3-400 per day other than maybe the pre-con decks. This deck is at least 10 times more played than any other deck. This stinks a bit, because, while it's certainly beatable (these all have something like a 55% win rate, though that's probably partly due to new/bad players playing them a lot), you just can't play any deck that has a bad matchup against it, even if you can play the rest of the field very well.

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  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    cncaudata wrote: »
    Kay wrote: »
    So much hate for RDW.

    The deck that consistently beats it has always been right there. I also feel that is better vs GB and Turbofog (which is coming back), but worse vs Jeskai, so.

    What deck are you talking about here?

    The thing about Red, particularly the new burn deck, is that it is so cheap to build that everyone is playing it. This more pure burn version popularized on reddit had 6000 games a day tracked on mtgarena.pro. That's in addition to the 700 or so the chainwhirler original version had, the 700 of the chainwhirler but for people that don't want to spend a mythic on Rekindling Phoenix version, the 400 by the even cheaper because I don't want to spend even rare wildcards on Risk Factor version, or the hundreds of games by other minor variations.

    I have never seen any other deck over 3-400 per day other than maybe the pre-con decks. This deck is at least 10 times more played than any other deck. This stinks a bit, because, while it's certainly beatable (these all have something like a 55% win rate, though that's probably partly due to new/bad players playing them a lot), you just can't play any deck that has a bad matchup against it, even if you can play the rest of the field very well.

    That mono-red burn deck is probably a little more consistent than Rakdos, and I've personally not run into it yet (despite having played a middling amount since the new set dropped), so I can't say how well it matches up versus Rakdos, but the pingers plus the spell-pingers may push it into a favorable position, given that it cares less about creatures attacking now.

    However, Spear Spewer reducing their life total probably makes it easier for Rakdos to burn them out, but Rakdos is most definitely slightly slower. Theatre of Blood and Sword Point are both 3 drops, losing black means losing Sovreign's Bite (which was KEY in mono-red vs Rakdos Burn matchupes previously) and it's just a race to burn the other person out.

    I dunno, I'd need to play vs it a bunch to see if it's stronger. BO1 is also a very, very different beast to BO3.

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  • ArmorocArmoroc Registered User regular
    Played against an opponent with cavalcade of calamity out and they just spewed out a bunch of little critters. It was fun to see them just wittle me down 2 turns after having 2 of those enchantments down.

  • Zombie HeroZombie Hero Registered User regular
    Armoroc wrote: »
    Played against an opponent with cavalcade of calamity out and they just spewed out a bunch of little critters. It was fun to see them just wittle me down 2 turns after having 2 of those enchantments down.

    It looks like a really fun deck to build that wouldn't take too many rare wildcards. I'm pretty tempted but I'm strapped on commons and uncommons for probably awhile.

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  • furbatfurbat Registered User regular
    edited January 22
    55% win rate is absurdly high for a widely played deck. Pretty sure the most degenerate decks of all time in hearthstone like undertaker hunter and pirate warrior capped out at 54-55%. It's especially high given that half of the games tracked with the deck are essentially mirror matches meaning they are beating everything else with a 60% winrate or so.

    Now it's still really early in the meta so it has time to stabilize. We will see if this holds. I'm half grateful that it is keeping turbo fog in check.

    The real question going forward will be if WotC will ban cards to keep Bo1 enjoyable for MTGA players. Because if they aren't willing to do that, I think they are going to drive a lot of players away. At some point there will be a deck that takes over Bo1.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean, there is a reason why I main board Ritual of Soot when I play Bo1.

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    The amount of salt ropes today has been higher than normal it feels like. Opponent just had Elvish Clancaller, Marwen, Incubation Druid, and a Steel Leaf Champion on the board, so I Kaya's Wrath'd it.

    Salt rope :(.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User regular
    Did a comp draft and went 5-1 with this bizarre pile
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    Gate colossus is real especially if you have enough gates to get 'em early. I managed to growth spiral out a gate to get him on turn 4 in one game.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User regular
    Gonna do another draft on stream in an hour. here's pack 1 pick 1, what's the pick? Pteramander? Carnival Carnage? Chillbringer? Emergency Powers seems bad.
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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    More like pterrormander

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  • admanbadmanb the bored genie Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Chillbringer imo.

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  • milskimilski Their Will comes, at last, to Earth, to the Neath, as a storm crosses the sea. Registered User regular
    Chillbringer is solid there with limited color commitment.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    How often do you guys pull something in draft just to have it for constructed?

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    How often do you guys pull something in draft just to have it for constructed?

    All the time.

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  • Zombie HeroZombie Hero Registered User regular
    Only if there is nothing for my deck.

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  • admanbadmanb the bored genie Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    How often do you guys pull something in draft just to have it for constructed?

    Sometimes, but the flat values of Arena mean I do it way less than paper.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    I was a little bummed that during a draft I didn't see the chance to raredraft Judith until just after I'd clicked on something else (I think it was a Gate); I tend to tunnel-vision on colors and I was in Azorius so splashing a Rakdos card wasn't really on my radar.

  • cncaudatacncaudata Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Gonna do another draft on stream in an hour. here's pack 1 pick 1, what's the pick? Pteramander? Carnival Carnage? Chillbringer? Emergency Powers seems bad.
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    Chillbringer or get the point (which is splashable in orzhov or gruul).

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  • 21stCentury21stCentury Bismuth OS Fully Operational 2019-07-12 - KeystoneRegistered User regular
    Did.... Did they stop putting gates in boosters? i opened 50 boosters and got no gates?

  • ArmorocArmoroc Registered User regular
    edited January 23
    Did.... Did they stop putting gates in boosters? i opened 50 boosters and got no gates?

    In Arena I'm pretty sure you get them from drafting or just plain crafting them. Not from the digital booster packs??

    In physical booster packs you definitely get them.

    Armoroc on
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