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Even though I don't trust this source (celebrity gossip is about getting word out ASAP vs verifying stuff as a proper journalist outlet), this has dragged on long enough that I'm starting to doubt Avenatti being innocent of anything.
Even though I don't trust this source (celebrity gossip is about getting word out ASAP vs verifying stuff as a proper journalist outlet), this has dragged on long enough that I'm starting to doubt Avenatti being innocent of anything.
That's also kind of wrong of you to think? Like the length of time for something to be bullshit doesn't give it validity? I mean in my state INS flat out made shit up about a person and it took 6 months for him to get free.
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Even though I don't trust this source (celebrity gossip is about getting word out ASAP vs verifying stuff as a proper journalist outlet), this has dragged on long enough that I'm starting to doubt Avenatti being innocent of anything.
Declining to press charges doesn't mean he didn't do anything, but it does mean there isn't a strong case to prosecute him on the felony charges right?
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Declining to press charges doesn't mean he didn't do anything, but it does mean there isn't a strong case to prosecute him on the felony charges right?
Federal charges; they're considering misdemeanor now
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Declining to press charges doesn't mean he didn't do anything, but it does mean there isn't a strong case to prosecute him on the felony charges right?
That's my understanding, yes. Although the case being referred to city prosecutors for possible misdemeanor charges does lend credence to the idea that something occurred. But that could be something as minor as being charged for assault just because you touched someone else.
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Assault is a credible verbal threat of violence.
Battery is the touching.
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It means he very likely did not do what he was accused of, but that a crime MAY have occurred. I don’t think misdemeanor charges will end up being filed either.
It means he very likely did not do what he was accused of, but that a crime MAY have occurred. I don’t think misdemeanor charges will end up being filed either.
If they don't end up being filed I would like to know what happened with that arrest.
And I don't think it was federal charges DV isn't a federal crime? It was felony charges right? Which is a different ball of wax.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Declining to press charges doesn't mean he didn't do anything, but it does mean there isn't a strong case to prosecute him on the felony charges right?
Federal charges; they're considering misdemeanor now
This is wrong (unless your phone autocorrected from felony)
The felony charge cited by the police when they arrested him requires evidence of a physical injury
My speculation would be the county DA didn't think they could prove injury, thus no felony. So they sent the case to the city level where misdemeanors are handled.
It does not mean "it's very likely he didn't do it"
Even if the city declines to charge that also won't mean "it's very likely he didn't do it"
Assault is a credible verbal threat of violence.
Battery is the touching.
This varies widely from state to statewhen you are in the criminal arena so it's best to look up and use California definitions if you want to talk about different behaviors and what crimes could apply.
Declining to press charges doesn't mean he didn't do anything, but it does mean there isn't a strong case to prosecute him on the felony charges right?
Federal charges; they're considering misdemeanor now
This is wrong (unless your phone autocorrected from felony)
The felony charge cited by the police when they arrested him requires evidence of a physical injury
My speculation would be the county DA didn't think they could prove injury, thus no felony. So they sent the case to the city level where misdemeanors are handled.
It does not mean "it's very likely he didn't do it"
Even if the city declines to charge that also won't mean "it's very likely he didn't do it"
But it also could mean he didn't do anything. Like its not a guarantee he did anything because he was arrested. Innocent people do get arrested too. We don't have to like Avenatti to entertain he was correct and he was innocent of the charges.
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Sure. But "the DA didn't charge him thus it's very likely he didn't do it" is not a good line of thinking for any case.
All it means is that they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt he committed a crime. There are a wide range of reasons why they might think that.
I think it’s very difficult to ascertain anything right now and it’s especially problematic considering we should generally believe women asserting harassment/assault. I don’t know how to feel about this at all, even if it does turn out to be bullshit (which it very well may not). Should I have been skeptical all along? Should I not have been? Is it contextually okay to be skeptical of an alleged victim in a situation such as this one where there is a vested interest in smearing the accused by various political parties? I don’t know.
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
Assault is a credible verbal threat of violence.
Battery is the touching.
This varies widely from state to statewhen you are in the criminal arena so it's best to look up and use California definitions if you want to talk about different behaviors and what crimes could apply.
I consider myself corrected.
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I hate that the fact that the right has begun weaponizing the #MeToo movement makes us skeptical of allegations, because, whether the specific allegation proves true or not, the existence of political motivations serves to make future reports like this harder to believe, and victims don't need that kind of resistance on what is aready an uphill battle.
Either allegations are disbelieved again or they can use an effective dirty trick to discredit opponents. The right wins either way.
Entire thing makes me feel gross.
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I think it’s very difficult to ascertain anything right now and it’s especially problematic considering we should generally believe women asserting harassment/assault. I don’t know how to feel about this at all, even if it does turn out to be bullshit (which it very well may not). Should I have been skeptical all along? Should I not have been? Is it contextually okay to be skeptical of an alleged victim in a situation such as this one where there is a vested interest in smearing the accused by various political parties? I don’t know.
I would say give any woman claiming sexual harrassment or assault the benefit of the doubt.
I shouldn't have to say that they are allowed due process.
The problem with crucifying people on social media about this stuff before we have solid evidence corroborating it is, just by statistical probability, someone on your "side" is going to eventually be brought down.
Corroborating domestic stuff like this is far more difficult than with people who get caught with their hand in the cookie jar (Anthony Wiener, for example).
I'd say it's healthy to keep up a bit of skepticism in any case that involves high-profile people at especially coincidental time periods, but never shut out someone who may be a victim. If they lied, it'll come to the light. If they didn't, then the perpetrator needs justice.
Allegation -> investigation -> trial if there's a case. That's the way things should work, backed by the power of a functional and fair judicial system
Not knowing what to think is an acceptable and mature social response to a headliner which never has all the facts and is wracked with hidden agendas. We have suffered pretty much every demographic and circumstantial permutation of assault allegations in high profile, which has taught us a valuable lesson about making assumptions.
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Yeah I think not crucifying someone with an allegation is fair enough in either direction. The point of a court system is to decide innocence or guilt, doing it on social media is never good in either direction.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I hate that the fact that the right has begun weaponizing the #MeToo movement makes us skeptical of allegations, because, whether the specific allegation proves true or not, the existence of political motivations serves to make future reports like this harder to believe, and victims don't need that kind of resistance on what is aready an uphill battle.
Either allegations are disbelieved again or they can use an effective dirty trick to discredit opponents. The right wins either way.
Entire thing makes me feel gross.
Not really, it just requires more critical thinking than just setting up a binary ruleset.
In this case, we don’t even have a definitive victim. We have an arrest with no context or details, and an announcement that district prosecutors don’t feel confident charging a felony. Believing victims typically involves the victims making an accusation.
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I hate that the fact that the right has begun weaponizing the #MeToo movement makes us skeptical of allegations, because, whether the specific allegation proves true or not, the existence of political motivations serves to make future reports like this harder to believe, and victims don't need that kind of resistance on what is aready an uphill battle.
Either allegations are disbelieved again or they can use an effective dirty trick to discredit opponents. The right wins either way.
Entire thing makes me feel gross.
Not really, it just requires more critical thinking than just setting up a binary ruleset.
In this case, we don’t even have a definitive victim. We have an arrest with no context or details, and an announcement that district prosecutors don’t feel confident charging a felony. Believing victims typically involves the victims making an accusation.
We have enough of a victim that charges are being considered.
Just because her face wasn't paraded around the media doesn't mean she's fake.
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I hate that the fact that the right has begun weaponizing the #MeToo movement makes us skeptical of allegations, because, whether the specific allegation proves true or not, the existence of political motivations serves to make future reports like this harder to believe, and victims don't need that kind of resistance on what is aready an uphill battle.
Either allegations are disbelieved again or they can use an effective dirty trick to discredit opponents. The right wins either way.
Entire thing makes me feel gross.
Not really, it just requires more critical thinking than just setting up a binary ruleset.
In this case, we don’t even have a definitive victim. We have an arrest with no context or details, and an announcement that district prosecutors don’t feel confident charging a felony. Believing victims typically involves the victims making an accusation.
Yeah, there’s absolutely a woman with a name, Mareli Miniutti, claiming to have been assaulted here.
Benefit of the doubt that maybe you missed that yesterday? Because otherwise you’re being bafflingly obtuse.
Knowing people who have been on trial for assault in California... it's really complicated.
Avenatti is an ass, has always been an ass, and never claimed to not be an ass. He seems hot headed and it's easy to imagine him having done a horrible thing.
There are so many things you could guess about based on what everyone would assume an Assault charge means, they're almost all certainly wrong. A friend of mine nearly got a felony assault for physically removing an ex-girlfriend from his property when she tried to come talk to his 5 year old daughter while on meth. It ended out a misdemeanor, which was then dropped but it was a hell of a process. I'll wait and see what actually happens in court or through filings before I try to sort out anything about this accusation.
Though learning about the sources of this train wreck and who is leaking or trying to stir up what kind of shit or take credit for it is fascinating.
Assault is a credible verbal threat of violence.
Battery is the touching.
This varies widely from state to statewhen you are in the criminal arena so it's best to look up and use California definitions if you want to talk about different behaviors and what crimes could apply.
In California, the short version is that assault is attempting to use unlawful force against someone, and battery is succeeding.
If you throw a punch at a person, that's assault, whether or not you hit. If you do hit, now it's also battery.
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#MeToo IMO was more about making sure this stuff didn't get swept under the rug and that when people did get found guilty, the punishment would have been appropriate. It's perfectly fair to say before the movement and even now, there were a ton of people in positions of influence that weaseled their way out of facing consequences, so their victim never got to take it to court. Then in some cases those people when they couldn't weasel out of being convicted found ways to get unreasonable light sentences, as in they were putting in less time for a serious crime, than some poor minority kids got stuck with over some rather petty crimes.
Anyways, I think we're in a good spot if this stuff is at least being properly investigated, going to court when it looks like there is something and appropriate punishment is being handed out when their is a conviction, even if at times people question whether or not the accuser was being honest because at the end of the day, this stuff is actually being investigated for a change. There seems to an investigation being done in regards to this accusation against Avenatti, in context of #MeToo that's not nothing; especially, since some doubt whether there is something there or not. There is always going to be some elements that will exploit everything for their own gain and pushes by some to not pursue justice because they don't like the idea that their hero might turn out to be a scumbag.
Ug, I hate how no matter what happens, Trump will tout it as a win for him.
Avenatti did it? See, look! It’s them that are the real abusers! Stormy lies with abuser lawyer!
Avenatti didn’t do it? See look! Women falsely accuse men of sexual assault! Should have elected Roy Moore! Poor Kavenaugh was treated so unfairly! Stormy is a lying liar! Grab em by the pussy was locker room talk!
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To be fair, Trump touts objective losses as wins.
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That's also kind of wrong of you to think? Like the length of time for something to be bullshit doesn't give it validity? I mean in my state INS flat out made shit up about a person and it took 6 months for him to get free.
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No charges have been filed yet. I guarantee it will be a story if and when it happens.
"That's wrong of you to think."
A week later:
"I'm starting to doubt things."
"That's wrong of you to think."
Mama Mia, thread.
It proves:
- he knows his accuser
- he may be cheating on his wife
Not good
That's not inconsistent if you hold that any opinion formed at this point can't be well-informed, on account of us not knowing much of anything.
I thought he was separated from current wife?
Not sure tho
Even if the DA doesn't charge him he still has to go through the restraining order process
Lack of criminal charges isn't a defense in the RO case
Yeah we’re not getting great clarity on any of this from anywhere
Him grabbing her arm (for example) should earn him the death penatly, but one of their own being a serial rapist/abuser is a-okay.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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Federal charges; they're considering misdemeanor now
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That's my understanding, yes. Although the case being referred to city prosecutors for possible misdemeanor charges does lend credence to the idea that something occurred. But that could be something as minor as being charged for assault just because you touched someone else.
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Battery is the touching.
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If they don't end up being filed I would like to know what happened with that arrest.
And I don't think it was federal charges DV isn't a federal crime? It was felony charges right? Which is a different ball of wax.
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This is wrong (unless your phone autocorrected from felony)
The felony charge cited by the police when they arrested him requires evidence of a physical injury
My speculation would be the county DA didn't think they could prove injury, thus no felony. So they sent the case to the city level where misdemeanors are handled.
It does not mean "it's very likely he didn't do it"
Even if the city declines to charge that also won't mean "it's very likely he didn't do it"
This varies widely from state to statewhen you are in the criminal arena so it's best to look up and use California definitions if you want to talk about different behaviors and what crimes could apply.
But it also could mean he didn't do anything. Like its not a guarantee he did anything because he was arrested. Innocent people do get arrested too. We don't have to like Avenatti to entertain he was correct and he was innocent of the charges.
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All it means is that they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt he committed a crime. There are a wide range of reasons why they might think that.
I consider myself corrected.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Either allegations are disbelieved again or they can use an effective dirty trick to discredit opponents. The right wins either way.
Entire thing makes me feel gross.
I would say give any woman claiming sexual harrassment or assault the benefit of the doubt.
I shouldn't have to say that they are allowed due process.
The problem with crucifying people on social media about this stuff before we have solid evidence corroborating it is, just by statistical probability, someone on your "side" is going to eventually be brought down.
Corroborating domestic stuff like this is far more difficult than with people who get caught with their hand in the cookie jar (Anthony Wiener, for example).
I'd say it's healthy to keep up a bit of skepticism in any case that involves high-profile people at especially coincidental time periods, but never shut out someone who may be a victim. If they lied, it'll come to the light. If they didn't, then the perpetrator needs justice.
Not knowing what to think is an acceptable and mature social response to a headliner which never has all the facts and is wracked with hidden agendas. We have suffered pretty much every demographic and circumstantial permutation of assault allegations in high profile, which has taught us a valuable lesson about making assumptions.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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Not really, it just requires more critical thinking than just setting up a binary ruleset.
In this case, we don’t even have a definitive victim. We have an arrest with no context or details, and an announcement that district prosecutors don’t feel confident charging a felony. Believing victims typically involves the victims making an accusation.
We have enough of a victim that charges are being considered.
Just because her face wasn't paraded around the media doesn't mean she's fake.
Yeah, there’s absolutely a woman with a name, Mareli Miniutti, claiming to have been assaulted here.
Benefit of the doubt that maybe you missed that yesterday? Because otherwise you’re being bafflingly obtuse.
Avenatti is an ass, has always been an ass, and never claimed to not be an ass. He seems hot headed and it's easy to imagine him having done a horrible thing.
There are so many things you could guess about based on what everyone would assume an Assault charge means, they're almost all certainly wrong. A friend of mine nearly got a felony assault for physically removing an ex-girlfriend from his property when she tried to come talk to his 5 year old daughter while on meth. It ended out a misdemeanor, which was then dropped but it was a hell of a process. I'll wait and see what actually happens in court or through filings before I try to sort out anything about this accusation.
Though learning about the sources of this train wreck and who is leaking or trying to stir up what kind of shit or take credit for it is fascinating.
In California, the short version is that assault is attempting to use unlawful force against someone, and battery is succeeding.
If you throw a punch at a person, that's assault, whether or not you hit. If you do hit, now it's also battery.
Anyways, I think we're in a good spot if this stuff is at least being properly investigated, going to court when it looks like there is something and appropriate punishment is being handed out when their is a conviction, even if at times people question whether or not the accuser was being honest because at the end of the day, this stuff is actually being investigated for a change. There seems to an investigation being done in regards to this accusation against Avenatti, in context of #MeToo that's not nothing; especially, since some doubt whether there is something there or not. There is always going to be some elements that will exploit everything for their own gain and pushes by some to not pursue justice because they don't like the idea that their hero might turn out to be a scumbag.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Avenatti did it? See, look! It’s them that are the real abusers! Stormy lies with abuser lawyer!
Avenatti didn’t do it? See look! Women falsely accuse men of sexual assault! Should have elected Roy Moore! Poor Kavenaugh was treated so unfairly! Stormy is a lying liar! Grab em by the pussy was locker room talk!
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Case in point: 90% of his business ventures from the past 4 decades.