trying to P2V a server 2012 R2 box that's on dying hardware running on a raid scsi controller. what a fucking nightmare
run disk2vhd to make a vhd and put the VHD on a network share
Move the VHD to the hypervisor.
mount vhd in host server's OS
run chkdsk /f and sfc /scannow to repair all the errors
run diskpart - change the active partition from the 350mb boot partition for the raid controller to the partition with windows on it
unmount the VHD
make the VM
boot vm from windows install media
copy the windows boobmgr file from the install media to the windows partition
run bootrec /fixmbr
run bootrec /fixboot
run bootrec /rebuildbcd
boot the VM
pray that the OS gets through "getting devices ready" (it did)
go for beers
These guides seem extremely helpful (though note that is coming from a company selling computers, so probably a touch overkill in the specifics...the general guidelines are right)
I stumbled on these. I find it weird that they basically say GPU is nearly worthless besides VRAM when almost nobody seems to be suggesting AMDs cheap cards with tons of VRAM over Nvidia$ offerings. Even says very few effects are GPU driven.
I think that's in the specific context of running Adobe Premier Pro, which holds up through their benchmarking. You probably want some sort of decent modern GPU, but a 2070 and a 2080ti won't perform that differently in them.
It's not true of, say, Davinci Resolve, where they note the GPU is incredibly important to performance. Seems like pretty reasonable advice to me?
Maybe tangentially related but I'll ask anyway.
I'm building a big L shaped desk for my office/computer room and I am doing it like a torsion box style (2 layers of 3/4" birch ply with 1 1/2" strips inside as the "core" to add strength without the weight.
I am leaving some channels at the back to route some of the common cables like DP cable, power cable, network etc...
I am also looking for ideas for what could be included inside the desk itself for convenience or for cool factor.
I watched Linus' recent "clean desk" video with the wireless charger hidden within the top shell and I'll be doing that for sure but I'm not sure what else would be neat to have and my google fu is failing me.
Once the top goes on it will be wood glued down so it's absolutely never coming back off so if something fails it's there forever.
So, what cool shit would you put inside a desk with 1.5" of vertical depth (could route out another inch for something specific I guess)?
I was aware of Logical Increments, which I've been using to get a base idea, but pcpartpicker is new to me. Poking around in there a bit.
So my current box is from 2009, and surprising nobody it's largely incapable of running modern games. I have a budget of roughly $1,000 USD. Since the motherboard is ancient that for sure means a new CPU, memory, and while I guess the GPU could be transferred, it's ancient. I think it's an nVidia 300 series. My case is a mid-ATX and I see no particular need to replace it. I have a 750 watt psu and without looking up the model I'm unsure if the silver/gold/platinum efficiency rating thing existed when it was made. I do not have an SSD, and plan on retaining my existing HDDs and replacing them later.
I've only ever used nVidia and Intel hardware, and while I'm not married to them I've also not had negative experiences.
Mostly I'm looking to play some modern games. I am primarily a console gamer, so it hasn't been a huge requirement for me to keep up with PC stuff. I have no particular interest in gaming at 4k, and realistically I'm not going to go above 1080p. I don't even have a display capable of 1080p right now, or for that matter one made after the invention of HDMI. I also don't care about VR at this juncture.
A $1000 USD is a great budget for a gaming machine.
Will you be upgrading your display(s)?
There is ZERO reason not to get an SSD.
In terms of components it's the single most important advancement in speed/usability for PC's in the last decade.
It should be illegal to buy a PC without one.
What kind of games do you or will you play on the pc? Also do you do any video or photo editing or anything else beyond web browsing, youtube etc...?
I can whip up an intel and an AMD build for you later on pcpartpicker.
These guides seem extremely helpful (though note that is coming from a company selling computers, so probably a touch overkill in the specifics...the general guidelines are right)
I stumbled on these. I find it weird that they basically say GPU is nearly worthless besides VRAM when almost nobody seems to be suggesting AMDs cheap cards with tons of VRAM over Nvidia$ offerings. Even says very few effects are GPU driven.
I think that's in the specific context of running Adobe Premier Pro, which holds up through their benchmarking. You probably want some sort of decent modern GPU, but a 2070 and a 2080ti won't perform that differently in them.
It's not true of, say, Davinci Resolve, where they note the GPU is incredibly important to performance. Seems like pretty reasonable advice to me?
It's also because Nvidia's CUDA cores can be utilized by a lot of design, rendering and editing programs, which don't have any similar support on the AMD side.
I was aware of Logical Increments, which I've been using to get a base idea, but pcpartpicker is new to me. Poking around in there a bit.
So my current box is from 2009, and surprising nobody it's largely incapable of running modern games. I have a budget of roughly $1,000 USD. Since the motherboard is ancient that for sure means a new CPU, memory, and while I guess the GPU could be transferred, it's ancient. I think it's an nVidia 300 series. My case is a mid-ATX and I see no particular need to replace it. I have a 750 watt psu and without looking up the model I'm unsure if the silver/gold/platinum efficiency rating thing existed when it was made. I do not have an SSD, and plan on retaining my existing HDDs and replacing them later.
I've only ever used nVidia and Intel hardware, and while I'm not married to them I've also not had negative experiences.
Mostly I'm looking to play some modern games. I am primarily a console gamer, so it hasn't been a huge requirement for me to keep up with PC stuff. I have no particular interest in gaming at 4k, and realistically I'm not going to go above 1080p. I don't even have a display capable of 1080p right now, or for that matter one made after the invention of HDMI. I also don't care about VR at this juncture.
This is what I just finished building this year as a budget PC gaming rig, it's not a perfect build but I think it's a pretty good baseline. Since you don't need a new PSU or case you can probably splurge a bit on a new monitor or slightly more upmarket parts than I did. I suggest keeping the Solid State though, it's cheap enough and they really are nice to have your OS and a few commonly used programs on.
I wouldn't be so quick to rule out the 2060 Kayne. I'm using a 1060 6GB and I'm turning down graphical settings more and more to keep over 60fps. Maybe the new 1160(ti) instead but that's still technically an unknown quantity.
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I wouldn't be so quick to rule out the 2060 Kayne. I'm using a 1060 6GB and I'm turning down graphical settings more and more to keep over 60fps. Maybe the new 1160(ti) instead but that's still technically an unknown quantity.
From everything I've been hearing it's going to be a power downgrade on top of no tensor or RT cores.
Don't need the 1160/1660 taking the spotlight off the 2060 as the mid-tier affordable option.
Don't use PCPP to buy storage, if you can help it. There are constant sales if you're willing to look. Also if you live near a Microcenter, you can find some great in-store deals.
I try to post links to deals when I find them.
Check deal sites like Slickdeals.net or Kinjadeals if you want to look for yourself.
PCPP sometimes catches these deals, but they pull info from fewer sites.
Also the /buildapcsales subreddit is really good for finding deals (sort by New). I can't get the sidebar filters to work in my Reddit app but they may work on the desktop site
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That's probably fair, I picked the 1060 6GB for myself, but I mostly play strategy games like Europa Universalis, Stellaris, your Total Wars &c. If you're aiming for more demanding games than that the 2060 is probably a pretty good bet.
I also just noticed that the SSD I listed is not on sale anymore and thus a crappy deal (I got it for $99), so don't get that one, but do get a SSD of at least ~500GB (I guess you could go down to 256 if all you put on there was your OS, but the savings is negligible).
Games are big now, and SSDs shouldn't be completely full. Some installs are hitting 100gb already. And games installed on an SSD are so much nicer. Load times are a huge QoL.
It's an extra $50 over a 500gb one, but I think that's something you'd enjoy every day.
2060 vs 1070 is not a big difference. Both will suit 1080p 60fps gaming. I'd definitely take at least 6gb of vram.
You can get by with less with some steam library management (i.e. move games between drives as you play em) but it's a lot easier to just not worry about it
PSA if you shuck the WD external drives and get a WD white: they have some updated "power down based off of disk status" thing which older PSUs don't inherently support, and so the drive won't power up if you plug it in straight-away.
The two ways around are to cover up a specific pin on the drive (you can google it), or if you use a 4-pin->sata converter, that works too.
So I have a 1080 Ti and I've been increasingly disappointed with its performance; games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Anthem chugged a surprising amount even at sub-ultra settings (dipping into the 40 fps or lower), and even Guild Wars 2 can give me those kinds of issues. I guess I would have assumed that I could run those games at at least 60fps consistently, even at 1440p. If I'm consistently maxed out on CPU but not GPU, could that be the issue?
I have a quad core i5-6600K that has a listed speed of 3.5GHz but seems to run at 100% of 4.1GHz when I play games. I have the GTX 1080 Ti (founder's edition), 16GB DDR4 RAM, and play all of my games off of SSDs. Is it worth updating to a 6 or 8 core CPU? Is there something around the corner worth waiting to upgrade to?
So I have a 1080 Ti and I've been increasingly disappointed with its performance; games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Anthem chugged a surprising amount even at sub-ultra settings (dipping into the 40 fps or lower), and even Guild Wars 2 can give me those kinds of issues. I guess I would have assumed that I could run those games at at least 60fps consistently, even at 1440p. If I'm consistently maxed out on CPU but not GPU, could that be the issue?
I have a quad core i5-6600K that has a listed speed of 3.5GHz but seems to run at 100% of 4.1GHz when I play games. I have the GTX 1080 Ti (founder's edition), 16GB DDR4 RAM, and play all of my games off of SSDs. Is it worth updating to a 6 or 8 core CPU? Is there something around the corner worth waiting to upgrade to?
Yep that is classic CPU bottleneck.
What motherboard do you have?
You likely have a couple options. One is to overclock (I'd probably try this first honestly as it's free or cheaper (if you need a new cooler). The other is to see what the max CPU your motherboard supports and maybe look at upgrades.
If your board doesn't support overclocking you really only have the upgrade option.
So I have a 1080 Ti and I've been increasingly disappointed with its performance; games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Anthem chugged a surprising amount even at sub-ultra settings (dipping into the 40 fps or lower), and even Guild Wars 2 can give me those kinds of issues. I guess I would have assumed that I could run those games at at least 60fps consistently, even at 1440p. If I'm consistently maxed out on CPU but not GPU, could that be the issue?
I have a quad core i5-6600K that has a listed speed of 3.5GHz but seems to run at 100% of 4.1GHz when I play games. I have the GTX 1080 Ti (founder's edition), 16GB DDR4 RAM, and play all of my games off of SSDs. Is it worth updating to a 6 or 8 core CPU? Is there something around the corner worth waiting to upgrade to?
Yep that is classic CPU bottleneck.
What motherboard do you have?
You likely have a couple options. One is to overclock (I'd probably try this first honestly as it's free or cheaper (if you need a new cooler). The other is to see what the max CPU your motherboard supports and maybe look at upgrades.
If your board doesn't support overclocking you really only have the upgrade option.
So I'll probably need to upgrade the motherboard as well, which I'm fine with as long as I can keep the all-in at $500 or less. At this point I'm just wary of getting a CPU that's going to put me in the same position if/when I pick up a 2100 series card when they come out. Any suggestions? The 2700X Ryzen worth a look?
I have a hard time seeing that CPU as being a bottleneck. If you were still running a 2500k or 2600k then bottlenecking would be a possible issue. I'm running a 6700k, albeit overclocked to 4.6ghz, but don't have the issues you're having though I only have a 1080.
I'd look into overclocking your CPU somewhere in the 4.5ghz range on all cores so long as you have sufficient CPU cooling. That should give you a good boost to help with framerates. Granted not a whole lot but worth trying before you spend $500+ on a new CPU and motherboard.
Yeah I have a OC'd i5-3570k (around 4.2) and didn't have any issues with Anthem and my 1070TI. Looking online, my overclock puts it close to your's at stock. Granted I ran it at 1080p.
It's been a long time since i've done in-game testing, maybe someone would have a suggestion for something you can run while in game to record you're in game.
Thanks for the parts recommendations! Making this a little easier. I'm the sort who agonizes over these decisions.
I was asked earlier about what sort of gaming I do, and for the most part I've really offloaded any "serious" games to my console. This is due largely to my pc not being able to run modern stuff. My current main game is FFXIV, which my current setup handles perfectly well. I'd like to add in some more heavy duty games though. I generally play RTS/grand strategy games, MMOs, and the occasional shooter. A couple of games that I do own that don't work terribly well include Dark Souls III and Total Warhammer, to give you a sense of how older games are working. I do not do any other heavy activity like video editing.
I'll be ordering everything online, as I don't live in a populous enough area to have specialty hardware in a store.
So I have a 1080 Ti and I've been increasingly disappointed with its performance; games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Anthem chugged a surprising amount even at sub-ultra settings (dipping into the 40 fps or lower), and even Guild Wars 2 can give me those kinds of issues. I guess I would have assumed that I could run those games at at least 60fps consistently, even at 1440p. If I'm consistently maxed out on CPU but not GPU, could that be the issue?
I have a quad core i5-6600K that has a listed speed of 3.5GHz but seems to run at 100% of 4.1GHz when I play games. I have the GTX 1080 Ti (founder's edition), 16GB DDR4 RAM, and play all of my games off of SSDs. Is it worth updating to a 6 or 8 core CPU? Is there something around the corner worth waiting to upgrade to?
Yep that is classic CPU bottleneck.
What motherboard do you have?
You likely have a couple options. One is to overclock (I'd probably try this first honestly as it's free or cheaper (if you need a new cooler). The other is to see what the max CPU your motherboard supports and maybe look at upgrades.
If your board doesn't support overclocking you really only have the upgrade option.
So I'll probably need to upgrade the motherboard as well, which I'm fine with as long as I can keep the all-in at $500 or less. At this point I'm just wary of getting a CPU that's going to put me in the same position if/when I pick up a 2100 series card when they come out. Any suggestions? The 2700X Ryzen worth a look?
Also, BIOS updates are not as crazy as they used to be. Updating the BIOS and looking for a 7-series CPU is a middle ground you can at least research.
You can see with MSI afterburner overlay what the cpu utilization is so definitely confirm it with that.
The good news is you can overclock on that board fine. I'd shoot for 4.5ghz and see what temps and stability is like.
A 2700 will be a marked improvement but there is still a little lead for Intel if your use case is strictly gaming.
Personally I think the 2600/2700 are the best bang for your buck even though I bought a 9600
I OC'd to 4.5GHz and played some GW2. CPU utilization seemed to hover in the high 70s/low 80s, though I had some framerate dips that I guess I'll just attribute to poor game optimization. Temps sat in the mid 40s while I was playing, so that's fine. I'll give the Anthem preview another shot this weekend and see if it's improved at all. Thanks.
Oh - some weirdness: Any idea why the MSI Afterburner CPU utilization might differ from the Task Manager CPU utilization? The latter was showing 96-100% utilization while afterburner showed mid 70s.
This is a stretch, but it's possible that Task Manager only checks a single core, or somehow otherwise can't distinguish CPU load. If you had a separate monitor, you could compare MSI Afterburner with HWMonitor and see if HWM agrees with Afterburner or Task Manager.
Thanks for the parts recommendations! Making this a little easier. I'm the sort who agonizes over these decisions.
I was asked earlier about what sort of gaming I do, and for the most part I've really offloaded any "serious" games to my console. This is due largely to my pc not being able to run modern stuff. My current main game is FFXIV, which my current setup handles perfectly well. I'd like to add in some more heavy duty games though. I generally play RTS/grand strategy games, MMOs, and the occasional shooter. A couple of games that I do own that don't work terribly well include Dark Souls III and Total Warhammer, to give you a sense of how older games are working. I do not do any other heavy activity like video editing.
I'll be ordering everything online, as I don't live in a populous enough area to have specialty hardware in a store.
You're me! except I don't console game. I just play RTS, strategy etc...
the most FPS game I play is MWO.
So with that I would absolutely go with a 2600 and a decent video card (a 2060 would be great for longevity but honestly an Rx580 would probably serve you just as well and is a hell of a lot cheaper.
It won't help with the agonizing but just know that because tech moves so fast the important thing is to set a reasonable budget and fit the best parts in that. "Future proofing" is largely bullshit so unless you got money to burn don't go chasing the "best"
My checklist for part purchasing is
Set budget with a little wiggle room for sales. Wiggle room means like 20-30 bucks, not 100.
Figure out what I do with the machine or what I will do
Read/watch reviews that touch on those use cases. Gamers Nexus, Paul's hardware, bitwit etc... all do a pretty good job of getting you general recommendations
Make an A and a B build in PC part picker. A is the strict adherence to budget and just getting the most inexpensive (though not the "crap") parts. B is the stretch a little build. A cooler looking case, some RGB fans, that x$ more expensive GPU
Ask people smarter than me what they think
Choose, purchase, have a little cry.
Build and enjoy (until it becomes the new normal and no longer seems as fast as it was when you got it )
I forgot to post this in my original message but here's a good optimization guide for Assassin's Creed Odyssey. There are a bunch of settings that can give massive framerate improvements with little to no loss in noticeable visual fidelity. I have the video bookmarked for whenever Ubisoft gives me my copy for playing/testing Project Stream.
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run disk2vhd to make a vhd and put the VHD on a network share
Move the VHD to the hypervisor.
mount vhd in host server's OS
run chkdsk /f and sfc /scannow to repair all the errors
run diskpart - change the active partition from the 350mb boot partition for the raid controller to the partition with windows on it
unmount the VHD
make the VM
boot vm from windows install media
copy the windows boobmgr file from the install media to the windows partition
run bootrec /fixmbr
run bootrec /fixboot
run bootrec /rebuildbcd
boot the VM
pray that the OS gets through "getting devices ready" (it did)
go for beers
I think that's in the specific context of running Adobe Premier Pro, which holds up through their benchmarking. You probably want some sort of decent modern GPU, but a 2070 and a 2080ti won't perform that differently in them.
It's not true of, say, Davinci Resolve, where they note the GPU is incredibly important to performance. Seems like pretty reasonable advice to me?
I'm building a big L shaped desk for my office/computer room and I am doing it like a torsion box style (2 layers of 3/4" birch ply with 1 1/2" strips inside as the "core" to add strength without the weight.
I am leaving some channels at the back to route some of the common cables like DP cable, power cable, network etc...
I am also looking for ideas for what could be included inside the desk itself for convenience or for cool factor.
I watched Linus' recent "clean desk" video with the wireless charger hidden within the top shell and I'll be doing that for sure but I'm not sure what else would be neat to have and my google fu is failing me.
Once the top goes on it will be wood glued down so it's absolutely never coming back off so if something fails it's there forever.
So, what cool shit would you put inside a desk with 1.5" of vertical depth (could route out another inch for something specific I guess)?
A $1000 USD is a great budget for a gaming machine.
Will you be upgrading your display(s)?
There is ZERO reason not to get an SSD.
In terms of components it's the single most important advancement in speed/usability for PC's in the last decade.
It should be illegal to buy a PC without one.
What kind of games do you or will you play on the pc? Also do you do any video or photo editing or anything else beyond web browsing, youtube etc...?
I can whip up an intel and an AMD build for you later on pcpartpicker.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($111.74 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($134.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB GAMING Video Card ($348.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($41.88 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: ViewSonic - XG2401 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1117.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-25 19:53 EST-0500
It's also because Nvidia's CUDA cores can be utilized by a lot of design, rendering and editing programs, which don't have any similar support on the AMD side.
This is what I just finished building this year as a budget PC gaming rig, it's not a perfect build but I think it's a pretty good baseline. Since you don't need a new PSU or case you can probably splurge a bit on a new monitor or slightly more upmarket parts than I did. I suggest keeping the Solid State though, it's cheap enough and they really are nice to have your OS and a few commonly used programs on.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($193.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370XP SLI (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($124.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($122.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($139.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB GT OCV1 Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - 270R ATX Mid Tower Case ($68.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $960.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-25 21:44 EST-0500
Edit: If you're not planning on going over 1080p, please do not buy a $300+ video card.
Yep that was definitely for the sysadmin thread. :rotate:
From everything I've been hearing it's going to be a power downgrade on top of no tensor or RT cores.
Don't need the 1160/1660 taking the spotlight off the 2060 as the mid-tier affordable option.
I was going to make a build but iguanacus pretty much nailed it. That's a great build.
I try to post links to deals when I find them.
Check deal sites like Slickdeals.net or Kinjadeals if you want to look for yourself.
PCPP sometimes catches these deals, but they pull info from fewer sites.
Also the /buildapcsales subreddit is really good for finding deals (sort by New). I can't get the sidebar filters to work in my Reddit app but they may work on the desktop site
I also just noticed that the SSD I listed is not on sale anymore and thus a crappy deal (I got it for $99), so don't get that one, but do get a SSD of at least ~500GB (I guess you could go down to 256 if all you put on there was your OS, but the savings is negligible).
https://slickdeals.net/f/12693550-1tb-wd-blue-3d-nand-2-5-ssd-118-ac-newegg
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/ajlcrf/_/
Games are big now, and SSDs shouldn't be completely full. Some installs are hitting 100gb already. And games installed on an SSD are so much nicer. Load times are a huge QoL.
It's an extra $50 over a 500gb one, but I think that's something you'd enjoy every day.
2060 vs 1070 is not a big difference. Both will suit 1080p 60fps gaming. I'd definitely take at least 6gb of vram.
You can get by with less with some steam library management (i.e. move games between drives as you play em) but it's a lot easier to just not worry about it
Intel build option
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($259.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H60 (2018) 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($103.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($134.87 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS OC Video Card ($349.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($93.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1142.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-27 03:51 EST-0500
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($165.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX GT 29.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.01 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock - X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($134.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS OC Video Card ($349.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($93.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1091.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-27 07:49 EST-0500
and an even cheaper version
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($165.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock - X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($134.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($93.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ B&H)
Total: $899.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-27 07:52 EST-0500
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
The two ways around are to cover up a specific pin on the drive (you can google it), or if you use a 4-pin->sata converter, that works too.
Just to save you a bunch of hair pulling.
I have a quad core i5-6600K that has a listed speed of 3.5GHz but seems to run at 100% of 4.1GHz when I play games. I have the GTX 1080 Ti (founder's edition), 16GB DDR4 RAM, and play all of my games off of SSDs. Is it worth updating to a 6 or 8 core CPU? Is there something around the corner worth waiting to upgrade to?
Yep that is classic CPU bottleneck.
What motherboard do you have?
You likely have a couple options. One is to overclock (I'd probably try this first honestly as it's free or cheaper (if you need a new cooler). The other is to see what the max CPU your motherboard supports and maybe look at upgrades.
If your board doesn't support overclocking you really only have the upgrade option.
I have this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0131GA4PK/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It unfortunately doesn't support the 8 series intel CPUs despite being the right socket because of the chipset, and would require a BIOS upgrade to support a 7 series CPU. Which is frustrating because I just bought it in 2016.
So I'll probably need to upgrade the motherboard as well, which I'm fine with as long as I can keep the all-in at $500 or less. At this point I'm just wary of getting a CPU that's going to put me in the same position if/when I pick up a 2100 series card when they come out. Any suggestions? The 2700X Ryzen worth a look?
Or maybe I'm just sad that I too have a 6600K
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I'd look into overclocking your CPU somewhere in the 4.5ghz range on all cores so long as you have sufficient CPU cooling. That should give you a good boost to help with framerates. Granted not a whole lot but worth trying before you spend $500+ on a new CPU and motherboard.
It's been a long time since i've done in-game testing, maybe someone would have a suggestion for something you can run while in game to record you're in game.
The good news is you can overclock on that board fine. I'd shoot for 4.5ghz and see what temps and stability is like.
A 2700 will be a marked improvement but there is still a little lead for Intel if your use case is strictly gaming.
Personally I think the 2600/2700 are the best bang for your buck even though I bought a 9600
I was asked earlier about what sort of gaming I do, and for the most part I've really offloaded any "serious" games to my console. This is due largely to my pc not being able to run modern stuff. My current main game is FFXIV, which my current setup handles perfectly well. I'd like to add in some more heavy duty games though. I generally play RTS/grand strategy games, MMOs, and the occasional shooter. A couple of games that I do own that don't work terribly well include Dark Souls III and Total Warhammer, to give you a sense of how older games are working. I do not do any other heavy activity like video editing.
I'll be ordering everything online, as I don't live in a populous enough area to have specialty hardware in a store.
Also, BIOS updates are not as crazy as they used to be. Updating the BIOS and looking for a 7-series CPU is a middle ground you can at least research.
I OC'd to 4.5GHz and played some GW2. CPU utilization seemed to hover in the high 70s/low 80s, though I had some framerate dips that I guess I'll just attribute to poor game optimization. Temps sat in the mid 40s while I was playing, so that's fine. I'll give the Anthem preview another shot this weekend and see if it's improved at all. Thanks.
Oh - some weirdness: Any idea why the MSI Afterburner CPU utilization might differ from the Task Manager CPU utilization? The latter was showing 96-100% utilization while afterburner showed mid 70s.
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You're me! except I don't console game. I just play RTS, strategy etc...
the most FPS game I play is MWO.
So with that I would absolutely go with a 2600 and a decent video card (a 2060 would be great for longevity but honestly an Rx580 would probably serve you just as well and is a hell of a lot cheaper.
It won't help with the agonizing but just know that because tech moves so fast the important thing is to set a reasonable budget and fit the best parts in that. "Future proofing" is largely bullshit so unless you got money to burn don't go chasing the "best"
My checklist for part purchasing is
edit: I am shit at making lists in BBcode.
Why is it even a video? Just give me a list of settings and what they should be set to?
That's probably the top comment