You guys all have 2080tis and are considering upgrades
I'm still rocking a GTX 970 and thanks to plateauing, there's still no great reason to upgrade to anything. I could pay $500 for a newer card and get maybe 5% more FPS, if that.
(I'm still considering a NAVI.)
Wait until AMD and Intel have their raytracers out, that will be when R-DNA is a bit more mature and we know what's up, and same with Arctic Sound.
Ya I know but if I put that GTX 970 in a nice new Fractal Designs case with a Ryzen 3950X and 32 gigs of DDR4-4000 the other components are gonna make fun of it.
Did I miss something, btw? The Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C cases are going out of stock everywhere. Wondering if there's a refresh coming or something.
Edit: It's probably stupid to be buying stuff now, when I have to wait until September for the CPU, anyway.
The R6 has more or less been replaced by the Define S2. It's pretty much a R6 with some tweaks. The main ones being the front panel is now fixed and it only holds three 3.5" hard drives.
You guys all have 2080tis and are considering upgrades
I'm still rocking a GTX 970 and thanks to plateauing, there's still no great reason to upgrade to anything. I could pay $500 for a newer card and get maybe 5% more FPS, if that.
(I'm still considering a NAVI.)
Wait until AMD and Intel have their raytracers out, that will be when R-DNA is a bit more mature and we know what's up, and same with Arctic Sound.
Ya I know but if I put that GTX 970 in a nice new Fractal Designs case with a Ryzen 3950X and 32 gigs of DDR4-4000 the other components are gonna make fun of it.
Did I miss something, btw? The Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C cases are going out of stock everywhere. Wondering if there's a refresh coming or something.
Edit: It's probably stupid to be buying stuff now, when I have to wait until September for the CPU, anyway.
The R6 has more or less been replaced by the Define S2. It's pretty much a R6 with some tweaks. The main ones being the front panel is now fixed and it only holds three 3.5" hard drives.
Waddaya mean "fixed"? And only 3 3.5" drives? What is this crap?
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
You guys all have 2080tis and are considering upgrades
I'm still rocking a GTX 970 and thanks to plateauing, there's still no great reason to upgrade to anything. I could pay $500 for a newer card and get maybe 5% more FPS, if that.
(I'm still considering a NAVI.)
You could pay 400 for a 2060 and double your framerates like I did.
You guys all have 2080tis and are considering upgrades
I'm still rocking a GTX 970 and thanks to plateauing, there's still no great reason to upgrade to anything. I could pay $500 for a newer card and get maybe 5% more FPS, if that.
(I'm still considering a NAVI.)
Wait until AMD and Intel have their raytracers out, that will be when R-DNA is a bit more mature and we know what's up, and same with Arctic Sound.
Ya I know but if I put that GTX 970 in a nice new Fractal Designs case with a Ryzen 3950X and 32 gigs of DDR4-4000 the other components are gonna make fun of it.
Did I miss something, btw? The Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C cases are going out of stock everywhere. Wondering if there's a refresh coming or something.
Edit: It's probably stupid to be buying stuff now, when I have to wait until September for the CPU, anyway.
The R6 has more or less been replaced by the Define S2. It's pretty much a R6 with some tweaks. The main ones being the front panel is now fixed and it only holds three 3.5" hard drives.
Waddaya mean "fixed"? And only 3 3.5" drives? What is this crap?
I actually prefer the new layout, but this is coming from someone with a custom watercooling loop. The front panel and front part of the case redesign would have made my life easier when designing and assembling my loop. Also, having three drives in a place where I can only fit two, albeit I'd have to figure out where to move some fan splitters and reroute cables to actually use three drives there. Still, I'd actually like to be able to use three drives and not have had to buy an 8TB drive (I'm a datahoarder) to make up for the loss of physical drive space due to using the secondary layout in the R6.
Special case use aside, the S2 is a downgrade or sidegrade for most people, and most reviews at the time the S2 came out commented on what was the point of having two very similar cases when the R6 was good enough the way it was.
OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
So time to just rush out and buy an R6. Got it.
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I was about to call bullshit on the 2060's having double the FPS as the 970, but then I actually checked.
Yep, there's a lot recent games performing much better.
I guess I had just assumed there wouldn't have been much improvement from 970 to 1070/2060.
Though some games the difference isn't that much, but it's still a big enough improvement.
Also, I hope EVGA release better looking GPU's for the 20x0 Super range
Because their current ones aren't very pretty, especially the ones that only have partial backplates.
And considering their GPUs seem to be the most expensive in my country for some reason, it just doesn't make them very appealing. Might stick with MSI if it gets too pricey.
EDIT: Wait a tick the ugly clear shrounds might just be for 2070/2080/2080ti. The others, like the 1660ti look fine.
Though the partially covered blackplates still seem to be an issue in some.
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I completly get why the new Navi cards aren't going to be quite as impressive as Nvidia's. AMD is just one company trying to compete with the 2 biggest players in the CPU and GPU markets. I hope that AMD will one day be able to step their game up enough to really compete with Nvidia but I'm not going to lose sleep if they don't.
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I was about to call bullshit on the 2060's having double the FPS as the 970, but then I actually checked.
Yep, there's a lot recent games performing much better.
I guess I had just assumed there wouldn't have been much improvement from 970 to 1070/2060.
Though some games the difference isn't that much, but it's still a big enough improvement.
Also, I hope EVGA release better looking GPU's for the 20x0 Super range
Because their current ones aren't very pretty, especially the ones that only have partial backplates.
And considering their GPUs seem to be the most expensive in my country for some reason, it just doesn't make them very appealing. Might stick with MSI if it gets too pricey.
EDIT: Wait a tick the ugly clear shrounds might just be for 2070/2080/2080ti. The others, like the 1660ti look fine.
Though the partially covered blackplates still seem to be an issue in some.
The 2060 punches way above its weight. A bit of overclocking gets it to within margin of error of a stock 2070.
I completly get why the new Navi cards aren't going to be quite as impressive as Nvidia's. AMD is just one company trying to compete with the 2 biggest players in the CPU and GPU markets. I hope that AMD will one day be able to step their game up enough to really compete with Nvidia but I'm not going to lose sleep if they don't.
Well, Intel is supposed to be entering the GPU market in the next year or so. Perhaps they might try to take in NVIDIA at the high end.
Until then, I will continue to be depressed by the exorbitant cost of the 20X0 series and will stick with my beloved 1080Ti for the foreseeable future.
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So I'm pretty out of the loop on the mighty graphics card wars namely due to my family hooking me up with spare hardware from their IT business from time to time so I've never been without solid upper end hardware from time to time.
1080TI is still doing really solid right? It's kicking butt on my 32" 1440p monitor so far so I can't imagine any need to upgrade now, but is it still holding true for other folks? Not sure I want to dip my toes into 4k on account of all the horror stories I hear with framerates and whatnot.
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I keep hearing folks jazzing about the 970. I'm rocking a 980 and games at 1440p are kicking its ass. I can can't even maintain 30fps in 3 Kingdoms after a few turns and the map starts opening up. My largest cities in Cities Skylines bring my framerate down to the low teens. I don't even want to know what my frame times are. I know some of it is being bottlenecked by my i7 2600k but still.
So I'm pretty out of the loop on the mighty graphics card wars namely due to my family hooking me up with spare hardware from their IT business from time to time so I've never been without solid upper end hardware from time to time.
1080TI is still doing really solid right? It's kicking butt on my 32" 1440p monitor so far so I can't imagine any need to upgrade now, but is it still holding true for other folks? Not sure I want to dip my toes into 4k on account of all the horror stories I hear with framerates and whatnot.
if you're at 1440p or lower the 1080Ti is still a fantastic card and you'd be bananas to "upgrade" it.
If you want to game at 4k at something approaching 60fps, than yes, you need a 2080Ti.
I was about to call bullshit on the 2060's having double the FPS as the 970, but then I actually checked.
Yep, there's a lot recent games performing much better.
I guess I had just assumed there wouldn't have been much improvement from 970 to 1070/2060.
Though some games the difference isn't that much, but it's still a big enough improvement.
Also, I hope EVGA release better looking GPU's for the 20x0 Super range
Because their current ones aren't very pretty, especially the ones that only have partial backplates.
And considering their GPUs seem to be the most expensive in my country for some reason, it just doesn't make them very appealing. Might stick with MSI if it gets too pricey.
EDIT: Wait a tick the ugly clear shrounds might just be for 2070/2080/2080ti. The others, like the 1660ti look fine.
Though the partially covered blackplates still seem to be an issue in some.
I game only at 1080 so I did the 970 to 1660Ti upgrade and it's great.
Aw man I'm starting to go down the rabbit hole with planning new Ryzen 3000 build...
If I'm going to need to build a new system I want it to be able to game in 4k. So that means I'll need a 2080ti then right? If I'm going for that I might as well get the Super version(assuming rumors are accurate).
If I'm gonna go higher end Ryzen 3000 then I should go x570 MB so I have PCI 4.0. I watched a video that mentioned Asus supposedly solved something getting better memory overclocking on the x570 so now I'm looking at maybe getting the ROG Strix X570-F Gaming which is rumored to be $300.
I was originally thinking 3700X but if I'm gonna buy a $300 MB then I should buy a higher end CPU to put in it.
Oh and I don't have a 4k screen yet so this all will probably make me need to upgrade my TV to a new 4k model.
And if I upgrade to a 4k TV I need to upgrade my AVR since the current one only supports 1080p.
Oh and if I have 4k I need to upgrade my Blu-ray player to one that supports 4k... I think I have a couple 4k or UHD movies already but that'll also mean I'll need to start buying that version by default going forward.
Hey but at least I have PS4 Pro that can already do 4k.
Am I a crazy person here or does this all make logical sense? I haven't spend hardly any money on any of this stuff for a few years so I won't feel that bad about sinking the $$$ down especially since this seems to be a good time for a refresh of it all.
I keep hearing folks jazzing about the 970. I'm rocking a 980 and games at 1440p are kicking its ass. I can can't even maintain 30fps in 3 Kingdoms after a few turns and the map starts opening up. My largest cities in Cities Skylines bring my framerate down to the low teens. I don't even want to know what my frame times are. I know some of it is being bottlenecked by my i7 2600k but still.
I'm only at 1080p with my 970 (and it's utterly serviceable). Tried 1440 and it definitely struggled.
I keep hearing folks jazzing about the 970. I'm rocking a 980 and games at 1440p are kicking its ass. I can can't even maintain 30fps in 3 Kingdoms after a few turns and the map starts opening up. My largest cities in Cities Skylines bring my framerate down to the low teens. I don't even want to know what my frame times are. I know some of it is being bottlenecked by my i7 2600k but still.
The 980 is a fair bit faster than the 970, and isn't limited by 3.5GB of RAM.
Yeah I game at 4k on a 2070, but deff gon't get 60fps. Usually between 40-60 depending on the game, but it's not enough to detract from the experience.
I would say Anthem was prob the best looking game but would dip to 30fps. The DLSS update though was amazing, I was getting constant 60fps after that
I can't speak to 4k but 1080p looks like ass on a 1440p monitor.
I'd say that's because there's no clean mathematical way to enlarge those pixels to cleanly fit your panels native resolution, so some fidelity has to be dropped. 1440p is 4x 720p, just like 4K is 4x 1080p. In both scenarios the display just represents each pixel it gets as a 4 pixel square.
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OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
I completly get why the new Navi cards aren't going to be quite as impressive as Nvidia's. AMD is just one company trying to compete with the 2 biggest players in the CPU and GPU markets. I hope that AMD will one day be able to step their game up enough to really compete with Nvidia but I'm not going to lose sleep if they don't.
The power-perf of first gen R-DNA is a good sign.
It's also worth noting that there's signs that their imagine sharpening tech, FidelityFX may actually be better then DLSS, as it doesn't make it all smudgy and the perf hit isn't apparently noticeable.
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I completly get why the new Navi cards aren't going to be quite as impressive as Nvidia's. AMD is just one company trying to compete with the 2 biggest players in the CPU and GPU markets. I hope that AMD will one day be able to step their game up enough to really compete with Nvidia but I'm not going to lose sleep if they don't.
The power-perf of first gen R-DNA is a good sign.
It's also worth noting that there's signs that their imagine sharpening tech, FidelityFX may actually be better then DLSS, as it doesn't make it all smudgy and the perf hit isn't apparently noticeable.
I’m calling shenanigans on both these points.
We’ve got slides from e3. That show nothing about actual power usage in the real world, and a screenshot which kinda looks over sharpened. Probably should wait for reviews before you start the hype train.
I completly get why the new Navi cards aren't going to be quite as impressive as Nvidia's. AMD is just one company trying to compete with the 2 biggest players in the CPU and GPU markets. I hope that AMD will one day be able to step their game up enough to really compete with Nvidia but I'm not going to lose sleep if they don't.
The power-perf of first gen R-DNA is a good sign.
It's also worth noting that there's signs that their imagine sharpening tech, FidelityFX may actually be better then DLSS, as it doesn't make it all smudgy and the perf hit isn't apparently noticeable.
I’m calling shenanigans on both these points.
We’ve got slides from e3. That show nothing about actual power usage in the real world, and a screenshot which kinda looks over sharpened. Probably should wait for reviews before you start the hype train.
Which is why I prefixed it with 'apparently.'
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Also, don't look now but with the issues that Intel's security problems have caused on server, I wouldn't be surprised if there was availability issues for Ryzens based off higher efficiency chiplets as folks try and shift.
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You guys all have 2080tis and are considering upgrades
I'm still rocking a GTX 970 and thanks to plateauing, there's still no great reason to upgrade to anything. I could pay $500 for a newer card and get maybe 5% more FPS, if that.
(I'm still considering a NAVI.)
Wait until AMD and Intel have their raytracers out, that will be when R-DNA is a bit more mature and we know what's up, and same with Arctic Sound.
Ya I know but if I put that GTX 970 in a nice new Fractal Designs case with a Ryzen 3950X and 32 gigs of DDR4-4000 the other components are gonna make fun of it.
Did I miss something, btw? The Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C cases are going out of stock everywhere. Wondering if there's a refresh coming or something.
Edit: It's probably stupid to be buying stuff now, when I have to wait until September for the CPU, anyway.
The R6 has more or less been replaced by the Define S2. It's pretty much a R6 with some tweaks. The main ones being the front panel is now fixed and it only holds three 3.5" hard drives.
Waddaya mean "fixed"? And only 3 3.5" drives? What is this crap?
The R6 had two modes, basically standard (with a big honkin HDD tray) or "open" where you removed the tray to be able to handle huge water cooler reservoirs. Looks like the S2 doesn't have the HDD tray option. Also, you have to have a window, which I guess isn't a deal breaker, but I have no real desire for seeing into the machine buried under my desk.
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OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
Yeah, gimme dem HD trays and I want no window because that means more noise insulating foam.
In short? Depends on your definition of cost effective. If $700 is fine then yeah, it'll probably be $700. Anything short of that will probably be a disappointing bump.
An RTX 2060 is about 10-20% faster than a 980ti, and a 1080 is about 25%. If you're looking for a significant upgrade, it'll probably be at least a 2080.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
$500 gets you a 2070 which is a significant upgrade.
980ti's also sell really well.
2 things to keep in mind with the 2070
1. A decent overclock will get a $400 2060 to within margin of error performance of a stock 2070
2. The 8GB RAM of the 2070 would be good for 4k, but the card really doesn't have the horses to do 4k at 60 solid. Either save 20% and go 2060 (1080p/1440p) or spend $200 more and get an appreciable jump in performance with a 2080 (4k).
The 2070 is kind of a strangely positioned product, imho.
Depends on your definition of cost effective. I've got my eye on the Super 2080 (maybe the ti) but it's not going to be cheap. The Super 2070 would probably be more cost effective.
rumour is the 2070 super is an unlocked 2080 chip, 8gb gddr6.
if it comes in at current 2070 pricing (that's the rumour) it will be quite nice
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lol you guys and your unlimited budgets
A 1660Ti cost me $425 (after tax) Canadian fun bucks. That's already a ton of money. Getting into 2060 territory was gonna be 80 - 120 more than that, forget about 2070 stuff.
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The R6 has more or less been replaced by the Define S2. It's pretty much a R6 with some tweaks. The main ones being the front panel is now fixed and it only holds three 3.5" hard drives.
Waddaya mean "fixed"? And only 3 3.5" drives? What is this crap?
You could pay 400 for a 2060 and double your framerates like I did.
I actually prefer the new layout, but this is coming from someone with a custom watercooling loop. The front panel and front part of the case redesign would have made my life easier when designing and assembling my loop. Also, having three drives in a place where I can only fit two, albeit I'd have to figure out where to move some fan splitters and reroute cables to actually use three drives there. Still, I'd actually like to be able to use three drives and not have had to buy an 8TB drive (I'm a datahoarder) to make up for the loss of physical drive space due to using the secondary layout in the R6.
Special case use aside, the S2 is a downgrade or sidegrade for most people, and most reviews at the time the S2 came out commented on what was the point of having two very similar cases when the R6 was good enough the way it was.
Yep, there's a lot recent games performing much better.
I guess I had just assumed there wouldn't have been much improvement from 970 to 1070/2060.
Though some games the difference isn't that much, but it's still a big enough improvement.
Also, I hope EVGA release better looking GPU's for the 20x0 Super range
Because their current ones aren't very pretty, especially the ones that only have partial backplates.
And considering their GPUs seem to be the most expensive in my country for some reason, it just doesn't make them very appealing. Might stick with MSI if it gets too pricey.
EDIT: Wait a tick the ugly clear shrounds might just be for 2070/2080/2080ti. The others, like the 1660ti look fine.
Though the partially covered blackplates still seem to be an issue in some.
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The 2060 punches way above its weight. A bit of overclocking gets it to within margin of error of a stock 2070.
Well, Intel is supposed to be entering the GPU market in the next year or so. Perhaps they might try to take in NVIDIA at the high end.
Until then, I will continue to be depressed by the exorbitant cost of the 20X0 series and will stick with my beloved 1080Ti for the foreseeable future.
1080TI is still doing really solid right? It's kicking butt on my 32" 1440p monitor so far so I can't imagine any need to upgrade now, but is it still holding true for other folks? Not sure I want to dip my toes into 4k on account of all the horror stories I hear with framerates and whatnot.
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if you're at 1440p or lower the 1080Ti is still a fantastic card and you'd be bananas to "upgrade" it.
If you want to game at 4k at something approaching 60fps, than yes, you need a 2080Ti.
I game only at 1080 so I did the 970 to 1660Ti upgrade and it's great.
1080ti still stronk
If I'm going to need to build a new system I want it to be able to game in 4k. So that means I'll need a 2080ti then right? If I'm going for that I might as well get the Super version(assuming rumors are accurate).
If I'm gonna go higher end Ryzen 3000 then I should go x570 MB so I have PCI 4.0. I watched a video that mentioned Asus supposedly solved something getting better memory overclocking on the x570 so now I'm looking at maybe getting the ROG Strix X570-F Gaming which is rumored to be $300.
I was originally thinking 3700X but if I'm gonna buy a $300 MB then I should buy a higher end CPU to put in it.
Oh and I don't have a 4k screen yet so this all will probably make me need to upgrade my TV to a new 4k model.
And if I upgrade to a 4k TV I need to upgrade my AVR since the current one only supports 1080p.
Oh and if I have 4k I need to upgrade my Blu-ray player to one that supports 4k... I think I have a couple 4k or UHD movies already but that'll also mean I'll need to start buying that version by default going forward.
Hey but at least I have PS4 Pro that can already do 4k.
Am I a crazy person here or does this all make logical sense? I haven't spend hardly any money on any of this stuff for a few years so I won't feel that bad about sinking the $$$ down especially since this seems to be a good time for a refresh of it all.
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I'm only at 1080p with my 970 (and it's utterly serviceable). Tried 1440 and it definitely struggled.
The 980 is a fair bit faster than the 970, and isn't limited by 3.5GB of RAM.
I would say Anthem was prob the best looking game but would dip to 30fps. The DLSS update though was amazing, I was getting constant 60fps after that
I'd say that's because there's no clean mathematical way to enlarge those pixels to cleanly fit your panels native resolution, so some fidelity has to be dropped. 1440p is 4x 720p, just like 4K is 4x 1080p. In both scenarios the display just represents each pixel it gets as a 4 pixel square.
The power-perf of first gen R-DNA is a good sign.
It's also worth noting that there's signs that their imagine sharpening tech, FidelityFX may actually be better then DLSS, as it doesn't make it all smudgy and the perf hit isn't apparently noticeable.
I’m calling shenanigans on both these points.
We’ve got slides from e3. That show nothing about actual power usage in the real world, and a screenshot which kinda looks over sharpened. Probably should wait for reviews before you start the hype train.
Which is why I prefixed it with 'apparently.'
The R6 had two modes, basically standard (with a big honkin HDD tray) or "open" where you removed the tray to be able to handle huge water cooler reservoirs. Looks like the S2 doesn't have the HDD tray option. Also, you have to have a window, which I guess isn't a deal breaker, but I have no real desire for seeing into the machine buried under my desk.
$500 gets you a 2070 which is a significant upgrade.
980ti's also sell really well.
In short? Depends on your definition of cost effective. If $700 is fine then yeah, it'll probably be $700. Anything short of that will probably be a disappointing bump.
An RTX 2060 is about 10-20% faster than a 980ti, and a 1080 is about 25%. If you're looking for a significant upgrade, it'll probably be at least a 2080.
2 things to keep in mind with the 2070
1. A decent overclock will get a $400 2060 to within margin of error performance of a stock 2070
2. The 8GB RAM of the 2070 would be good for 4k, but the card really doesn't have the horses to do 4k at 60 solid. Either save 20% and go 2060 (1080p/1440p) or spend $200 more and get an appreciable jump in performance with a 2080 (4k).
The 2070 is kind of a strangely positioned product, imho.
even a 2080ti isn't enough horsepower for consistent 60+ fps @ 4k.
maybe the supers will shake everything up
Depends on your definition of cost effective. I've got my eye on the Super 2080 (maybe the ti) but it's not going to be cheap. The Super 2070 would probably be more cost effective.
if it comes in at current 2070 pricing (that's the rumour) it will be quite nice
A 1660Ti cost me $425 (after tax) Canadian fun bucks. That's already a ton of money. Getting into 2060 territory was gonna be 80 - 120 more than that, forget about 2070 stuff.