I can't speak to 4k but 1080p looks like ass on a 1440p monitor.
I'd say that's because there's no clean mathematical way to enlarge those pixels to cleanly fit your panels native resolution, so some fidelity has to be dropped. 1440p is 4x 720p, just like 4K is 4x 1080p. In both scenarios the display just represents each pixel it gets as a 4 pixel square.
yeah 1440p is a 1 and 1/3 times step up in pixel dimensions so it doesn't scale down to 1080p nicely without rounding pixels like 4k does, which is a 2 times step up in pixel dimensions
e: 1 and 1/3, not 1.5
You’re still at 1660ti/1070/Vega performance levels.
If you’re playing 1080p it probably doesn’t make sense to upgrade. If you’re higher it probably makes more sense to wait a couple weeks and see what shakes out after Navi/Super announcements and reviews.
I can't speak to 4k but 1080p looks like ass on a 1440p monitor.
Dang, I was wondering about this
Currently I have a 24" 1080p 144hz monitor which is perfect for my 1070ti. High frames on everything
I want a second monitor and I thought I'd get a 27" 1440p G-Sync monitor. That way I'd be futureproof for when I upgrade to a 3080 or whatever graphics card in the future
But if downscaling is butts that might not be a good idea
I can't speak to 4k but 1080p looks like ass on a 1440p monitor.
Dang, I was wondering about this
Currently I have a 24" 1080p 144hz monitor which is perfect for my 1070ti. High frames on everything
I want a second monitor and I thought I'd get a 27" 1440p G-Sync monitor. That way I'd be futureproof for when I upgrade to a 3080 or whatever graphics card in the future
But if downscaling is butts that might not be a good idea
The rule of thumb is that if you want downscaling to look nice on a non-CRT monitor the native resolution has to be evenly divisible by the downscaled resolution, so 1440p scales down smoothly to 720p, while 2160p AKA 4k scales down smoothly to 1080p. If they're an even multiple you can just have each 2x2 box of monitor pixels function as one pixel, but if each pixel is mapped to 1.333x1.333 pixels on the monitor the image becomes blurry as it tries to blend colors from the various pixels it's supposed to represent to average it out.
My friend is swapping out a dead mobo and accidentally removed the stock cooler bracket from the new motherboard (ASUS x470-pro, AM4). It sounds like she can't get the bracket to reattach. How do those things go on?
EDIT: Never mind, the rear bracket fell out and she didn't notice. Issue resolved.
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I can't speak to 4k but 1080p looks like ass on a 1440p monitor.
Dang, I was wondering about this
Currently I have a 24" 1080p 144hz monitor which is perfect for my 1070ti. High frames on everything
I want a second monitor and I thought I'd get a 27" 1440p G-Sync monitor. That way I'd be future proof for when I upgrade to a 3080 or whatever graphics card in the future
But if downscaling is butts that might not be a good idea
I'm personally fine sticking with 1080p as it just means I'll be able to keeping gaming on high-ultra settings for more years, as opposed to updating every year or so.
Granted, having a mid to high end GPU at the time of purchase certainly helps. Can't imagine I'd be willing to wait it out as long as I have, had I bought something like the GTX 950 back in 2014/2015.
I can't speak to 4k but 1080p looks like ass on a 1440p monitor.
Dang, I was wondering about this
Currently I have a 24" 1080p 144hz monitor which is perfect for my 1070ti. High frames on everything
I want a second monitor and I thought I'd get a 27" 1440p G-Sync monitor. That way I'd be future proof for when I upgrade to a 3080 or whatever graphics card in the future
But if downscaling is butts that might not be a good idea
I'm personally fine sticking with 1080p as it just means I'll be able to keeping gaming on high-ultra settings for more years, as opposed to updating every year or so.
Granted, having a mid to high end GPU at the time of purchase certainly helps. Can't imagine I'd be willing to wait it out as long as I have, had I bought something like the GTX 950 back in 2014/2015.
I was on a 660ti until last year; was a trooper, that thing.
I would rather be accused of intransigence than tolerating genocide for the sake of everyone getting along. - @Metzger Meister
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Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
I can't speak to 4k but 1080p looks like ass on a 1440p monitor.
Dang, I was wondering about this
Currently I have a 24" 1080p 144hz monitor which is perfect for my 1070ti. High frames on everything
I want a second monitor and I thought I'd get a 27" 1440p G-Sync monitor. That way I'd be future proof for when I upgrade to a 3080 or whatever graphics card in the future
But if downscaling is butts that might not be a good idea
I'm personally fine sticking with 1080p as it just means I'll be able to keeping gaming on high-ultra settings for more years, as opposed to updating every year or so.
Granted, having a mid to high end GPU at the time of purchase certainly helps. Can't imagine I'd be willing to wait it out as long as I have, had I bought something like the GTX 950 back in 2014/2015.
I was on a 660ti until last year; was a trooper, that thing.
I was on a 680, from 2012 until late last year when a fellow West Aussie forumer (Dhalphir) gave me their 980Ti that they'd just replaced with a 1080Ti for VR shenanigans, and I tell you what, the 680 was still powering along okay at 1080p, it just struggled with newer games with super-high res textures and stuff like spark particle effects in games like Doom (2016). Older games like Tomb Raider (2013) it ran flawlessly at Ultra settings at 60 fps.
Hell, if anyone is stuck with a really really old piece of shit card they can have my Gigabyte Windforce GTX680 OC 2GB for the price of postage, I don't want anything for the card itself but unfortunately I'm too broke to mail it anywhere.
EDIT: Shit I didn't mean to bat-signal them, my phone just slotted that @ in there by itself! Sorry mate!
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I think they've started to figure out there's a small chunk of people with a lot of disposable income they're willing to spend on their hobby and are about to try to take advantage of it.
I think they've started to figure out there's a small chunk of people with a lot of disposable income they're willing to spend on their hobby and are about to try to take advantage of it.
Looks like nVidia was just the tip of the spear.
These are essentially lower end prosumer units built around a 14nm version of the Zen 2 IO die, intended to drive lots of NVME units; the difference between x570 and B550 is likely to be more pronounced this run.
I would rather be accused of intransigence than tolerating genocide for the sake of everyone getting along. - @Metzger Meister
I think they've started to figure out there's a small chunk of people with a lot of disposable income they're willing to spend on their hobby and are about to try to take advantage of it.
Looks like nVidia was just the tip of the spear.
According to Gamers Nexus, that's literally what the HW makers / AMD's stance is. They're targeting the market that Nvidia already targeted.
"There are people willing to pay this much for a Motherboard so we should make a motherboard that costs this much."
I mean I'm stupid enough to be thinking about waiting till September to get the 3950X instead of sticking with the 8 core model like a sane person, and even I won't go near a $700-800 motherboard. Even the $380 Crosshair VIII Hero is $100 more than I wanted to spend.
I mean, 3950X is $750. $700 for the motherboard on top of that. You're in 1.5 grand and haven't even got a case, ram, cooler...
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OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
$500 for a CPU and $300 for a motherboard is within reach, if excessive. Double that is...more than I'm willing to spend at this time.
I know I will have to upgrade the PSU to support a 2070 (or something) card.
Should I see about CPU upgrade as well? I believe the mobo can support up to a i7-8700K, which might need aftermarket cooling fan, but Dell does sell this CPU with the same stock cooling my XPS came with.
Should I just wait and see if the 1070 will be sufficient for CP 2077 at 1440p (60ish FPS at least with decent options)? Wait for the new Nvidia card releases coming up and see if prices come down? Go ahead and snag a PSU upgrade? I have a line on a used EVGA 600BQ 600W bronze for $35.
I also have a line on a new (but opened) Cooler Master N200 case and some extra fans for $30, but I'm not sure I want to migrate cases.
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webguy20I spend too much time on the InternetRegistered Userregular
Theres always a small subset of consumers willing to buy a new Lamborghini every 2 years to say they have the latest and greatest. As long as the companies keep making midrange stuff I'm A-ok with it.
Theres always a small subset of consumers willing to buy a new Lamborghini every 2 years to say they have the latest and greatest. As long as the companies keep making midrange stuff I'm A-ok with it.
It's the same type of people who buy $1,000 iPhones every year so they can have the best.
I know I will have to upgrade the PSU to support a 2070 (or something) card.
Should I see about CPU upgrade as well? I believe the mobo can support up to a i7-8700K, which might need aftermarket cooling fan, but Dell does sell this CPU with the same stock cooling my XPS came with.
Should I just wait and see if the 1070 will be sufficient for CP 2077 at 1440p (60ish FPS at least with decent options)? Wait for the new Nvidia card releases coming up and see if prices come down? Go ahead and snag a PSU upgrade? I have a line on a used EVGA 600BQ 600W bronze for $35.
I also have a line on a new (but opened) Cooler Master N200 case and some extra fans for $30, but I'm not sure I want to migrate cases.
I can't find the PSU specs in there. The biggest issue with Dell PSUs is they may or may not have proprietary connectors. In the past, Dell definitely did this to discourage people using aftermarket parts. I'm not sure if Dell is still doing this. Outside of that, if you can try to dig up the PSU specs (specifically how many amps available on the 12V supply), we can give some advice whether you'll need a new PSU.
Double check with Dell whether the board can support a 8700k. If it can, you can look for used replacements. That being said, I would not be surprised if your BIOS options are severely limited and you cannot overclock the 8700k.
As for the video card, you could start looking at something in the 2070 range, but the game is at least a year away from release, so definitely wait before grabbing a new card.
Edit: if that's not a B-stock PSU and still has its warranty intact, you should grab it anyway. You may need to register the PSU on EVGA's website to activate the warranty or to check if the warranty hasn't run out.
I know I will have to upgrade the PSU to support a 2070 (or something) card.
Should I see about CPU upgrade as well? I believe the mobo can support up to a i7-8700K, which might need aftermarket cooling fan, but Dell does sell this CPU with the same stock cooling my XPS came with.
Should I just wait and see if the 1070 will be sufficient for CP 2077 at 1440p (60ish FPS at least with decent options)? Wait for the new Nvidia card releases coming up and see if prices come down? Go ahead and snag a PSU upgrade? I have a line on a used EVGA 600BQ 600W bronze for $35.
I also have a line on a new (but opened) Cooler Master N200 case and some extra fans for $30, but I'm not sure I want to migrate cases.
I can't find the PSU specs in there. The biggest issue with Dell PSUs is they may or may not have proprietary connectors. In the past, Dell definitely did this to discourage people using aftermarket parts. I'm not sure if Dell is still doing this. Outside of that, if you can try to dig up the PSU specs (specifically how many amps available on the 12V supply), we can give some advice whether you'll need a new PSU.
Double check with Dell whether the board can support a 8700k. If it can, you can look for used replacements. That being said, I would not be surprised if your BIOS options are severely limited and you cannot overclock the 8700k.
As for the video card, you could start looking at something in the 2070 range, but the game is at least a year away from release, so definitely wait before grabbing a new card.
Edit: if that's not a B-stock PSU and still has its warranty intact, you should grab it anyway. You may need to register the PSU on EVGA's website to activate the warranty or to check if the warranty hasn't run out.
I think I am good there, I was able to upgrade my last Dell PSU, and I have seen many accounts for this particular model accepting PSU upgrades with no issues. But for sure that has been an issue in the past. I will make sure I confirm.
I am not super worried about OCing, but I found where someone successfully upgraded to that chip with the same chasis/model. It is around a 25% improvement based on userbenchmark.com so figured it might be nice to keep it in mind if I come across a used chip. Going with a plain 8700 it's only 15%, so maybe I'll just hang on for how as well here.
Thanks for the info! I'll snag the PSU for sure and hang on for more concrete specs. If I find a good deal on the CPU I'll consider it as well if I can get some more confirmation.
PSU info (from Dell manual for my desktop)
Power ratings
Table 17. Power ratings
Type 460 W APFC 460 W Bronze
Input current 8 A 8 A
Output current 3.3V/17A, 5V/25A, 12VA/
18A, 12VB/16A, 12VC/8A,
5Vaux/3A
3.3V/17A, 5V/25A, 12VA/
18A, 12VB/16A, 12VC/8A,
5Vaux/3A
24
Rated output voltage 3.3V, 5V, 12VA, 12VB,
12VC, 5Vaux
3.3V, 5V, 12VA, 12VB,
12VC, 5Vaux
Input voltage 100 VAC–240 VAC
Input frequency 50 Hz–60 Hz
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Boy howdy, you don't immediately jack up your peripheral tech because you're beating your competitor in benchmarks
If an intel is basically neck and neck with you and their components are 1/3 of the price, guess what people are going to buy. Nothing in those motherboards is worth $700+
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I might do it because I want to futureproof 5ever but boy am I ever salty about it. I don't think they're a budget alternative and that defense for them raising their prices is as dumb as nvidia doing it because of crypto farmers.
Then throwing up their hands and acting like we're the bad guys we didn't buy their new cards at $1200 a pop
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I am basically going to buy whatever buildzoid tells me to buy from the x470 line.
It's likely to be the Asus ROG Strix x470-F as it's about ~$250 canadian and pretty well reviewed.
The crosshair VII's seem to be hit or miss in reviews but that could be just people with insane expectations of a $400 motherboard.
honestly, PCI-e 4 is mostly overkill. Graphics cards don't saturate PCI-e x16 yet, not even close, so that's not great.
As of right now, there is one nvme controller that supports pci-e 4. It's going to be at least a year before we get good components that do support that spec. I would not worry about pci-e 4 storage, to be honest.
so, if that's the case, than x570 becomes an expensive luxury. I wouldn't buy it at this point.
pci-e 4's benefit comes in when using both nvme and a graphics card at the same time. I think there are bandwidth issues on the level of 1080+ cards and a run of the mill nvme ssd.
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yeah 1440p is a 1 and 1/3 times step up in pixel dimensions so it doesn't scale down to 1080p nicely without rounding pixels like 4k does, which is a 2 times step up in pixel dimensions
e: 1 and 1/3, not 1.5
I'd wait for raytracing to mature a bit myself.
You’re still at 1660ti/1070/Vega performance levels.
If you’re playing 1080p it probably doesn’t make sense to upgrade. If you’re higher it probably makes more sense to wait a couple weeks and see what shakes out after Navi/Super announcements and reviews.
Dang, I was wondering about this
Currently I have a 24" 1080p 144hz monitor which is perfect for my 1070ti. High frames on everything
I want a second monitor and I thought I'd get a 27" 1440p G-Sync monitor. That way I'd be futureproof for when I upgrade to a 3080 or whatever graphics card in the future
But if downscaling is butts that might not be a good idea
My bro grabbed the same card as well
The rule of thumb is that if you want downscaling to look nice on a non-CRT monitor the native resolution has to be evenly divisible by the downscaled resolution, so 1440p scales down smoothly to 720p, while 2160p AKA 4k scales down smoothly to 1080p. If they're an even multiple you can just have each 2x2 box of monitor pixels function as one pixel, but if each pixel is mapped to 1.333x1.333 pixels on the monitor the image becomes blurry as it tries to blend colors from the various pixels it's supposed to represent to average it out.
WCCFTECH: AMD X590 Chipset Reportedly In The Works – Designed For Premium AMD Ryzen 3000 CPUs, Higher PCIe 4.0 Lanes, Much Higher Priced Than X570 Boards
Just what I love about life. Choices.
EDIT: Never mind, the rear bracket fell out and she didn't notice. Issue resolved.
I'm personally fine sticking with 1080p as it just means I'll be able to keeping gaming on high-ultra settings for more years, as opposed to updating every year or so.
Granted, having a mid to high end GPU at the time of purchase certainly helps. Can't imagine I'd be willing to wait it out as long as I have, had I bought something like the GTX 950 back in 2014/2015.
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
I was on a 660ti until last year; was a trooper, that thing.
I was on a 680, from 2012 until late last year when a fellow West Aussie forumer (Dhalphir) gave me their 980Ti that they'd just replaced with a 1080Ti for VR shenanigans, and I tell you what, the 680 was still powering along okay at 1080p, it just struggled with newer games with super-high res textures and stuff like spark particle effects in games like Doom (2016). Older games like Tomb Raider (2013) it ran flawlessly at Ultra settings at 60 fps.
Hell, if anyone is stuck with a really really old piece of shit card they can have my Gigabyte Windforce GTX680 OC 2GB for the price of postage, I don't want anything for the card itself but unfortunately I'm too broke to mail it anywhere.
EDIT: Shit I didn't mean to bat-signal them, my phone just slotted that @ in there by itself! Sorry mate!
Woah. Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme / MSI X570 Godlike... are $700. The ASUS Crosshair VIII Formula is... $699. (The VIII Hero is $380.)
https://thinkcomputers.org/leaked-asus-amd-x570-motherboard-price-list-confirms-x570-will-be-expensive/
Talk about sticker shock. Jesus.
Looks like nVidia was just the tip of the spear.
These are essentially lower end prosumer units built around a 14nm version of the Zen 2 IO die, intended to drive lots of NVME units; the difference between x570 and B550 is likely to be more pronounced this run.
According to Gamers Nexus, that's literally what the HW makers / AMD's stance is. They're targeting the market that Nvidia already targeted.
"There are people willing to pay this much for a Motherboard so we should make a motherboard that costs this much."
I mean I'm stupid enough to be thinking about waiting till September to get the 3950X instead of sticking with the 8 core model like a sane person, and even I won't go near a $700-800 motherboard. Even the $380 Crosshair VIII Hero is $100 more than I wanted to spend.
I mean, 3950X is $750. $700 for the motherboard on top of that. You're in 1.5 grand and haven't even got a case, ram, cooler...
I have a 16 gig ram version with the i5-8400 and a GTX 1070. With a 1440p g-sync monitor (I had dell gift cards to use dangit :P) -- https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/servicetag/9fc9cp2/configuration
I know I will have to upgrade the PSU to support a 2070 (or something) card.
Should I see about CPU upgrade as well? I believe the mobo can support up to a i7-8700K, which might need aftermarket cooling fan, but Dell does sell this CPU with the same stock cooling my XPS came with.
Should I just wait and see if the 1070 will be sufficient for CP 2077 at 1440p (60ish FPS at least with decent options)? Wait for the new Nvidia card releases coming up and see if prices come down? Go ahead and snag a PSU upgrade? I have a line on a used EVGA 600BQ 600W bronze for $35.
I also have a line on a new (but opened) Cooler Master N200 case and some extra fans for $30, but I'm not sure I want to migrate cases.
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Kind of tempted to buy a X470 motherboard. But the one I'm interested in apparently can't have the bios updated via USB. Needs a 2000 series CPU!
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It's the same type of people who buy $1,000 iPhones every year so they can have the best.
I can't find the PSU specs in there. The biggest issue with Dell PSUs is they may or may not have proprietary connectors. In the past, Dell definitely did this to discourage people using aftermarket parts. I'm not sure if Dell is still doing this. Outside of that, if you can try to dig up the PSU specs (specifically how many amps available on the 12V supply), we can give some advice whether you'll need a new PSU.
Double check with Dell whether the board can support a 8700k. If it can, you can look for used replacements. That being said, I would not be surprised if your BIOS options are severely limited and you cannot overclock the 8700k.
As for the video card, you could start looking at something in the 2070 range, but the game is at least a year away from release, so definitely wait before grabbing a new card.
Edit: if that's not a B-stock PSU and still has its warranty intact, you should grab it anyway. You may need to register the PSU on EVGA's website to activate the warranty or to check if the warranty hasn't run out.
I think I am good there, I was able to upgrade my last Dell PSU, and I have seen many accounts for this particular model accepting PSU upgrades with no issues. But for sure that has been an issue in the past. I will make sure I confirm.
I am not super worried about OCing, but I found where someone successfully upgraded to that chip with the same chasis/model. It is around a 25% improvement based on userbenchmark.com so figured it might be nice to keep it in mind if I come across a used chip. Going with a plain 8700 it's only 15%, so maybe I'll just hang on for how as well here.
Thanks for the info! I'll snag the PSU for sure and hang on for more concrete specs. If I find a good deal on the CPU I'll consider it as well if I can get some more confirmation.
PSU info (from Dell manual for my desktop)
Table 17. Power ratings
Type 460 W APFC 460 W Bronze
Input current 8 A 8 A
Output current 3.3V/17A, 5V/25A, 12VA/
18A, 12VB/16A, 12VC/8A,
5Vaux/3A
3.3V/17A, 5V/25A, 12VA/
18A, 12VB/16A, 12VC/8A,
5Vaux/3A
24
Rated output voltage 3.3V, 5V, 12VA, 12VB,
12VC, 5Vaux
3.3V, 5V, 12VA, 12VB,
12VC, 5Vaux
Input voltage 100 VAC–240 VAC
Input frequency 50 Hz–60 Hz
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No issues so far
What resolution?
Random realization: Those $700 boards are still X570s. The X590s are coming and those are going to be even more expensive.
$1000 motherboard? Place your bets, folks.
If an intel is basically neck and neck with you and their components are 1/3 of the price, guess what people are going to buy. Nothing in those motherboards is worth $700+
Good ones are ~$200-$300 CAD which is not too crazy.
Sure, you won't get PCIe4 but I can't afford the SSD's that use it anyways and no GPU's out in the next year will need it either.
Then throwing up their hands and acting like we're the bad guys we didn't buy their new cards at $1200 a pop
It's likely to be the Asus ROG Strix x470-F as it's about ~$250 canadian and pretty well reviewed.
The crosshair VII's seem to be hit or miss in reviews but that could be just people with insane expectations of a $400 motherboard.
AMD Ryzen 9 3950X at 4300MHz
16 core bench numbers
https://hwbot.org/submission/4176848
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As of right now, there is one nvme controller that supports pci-e 4. It's going to be at least a year before we get good components that do support that spec. I would not worry about pci-e 4 storage, to be honest.
so, if that's the case, than x570 becomes an expensive luxury. I wouldn't buy it at this point.