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    DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Hey, Im thinking this mobo for a 3700x, but I can't find much info on reviews for it

    ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi)
    https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_26_1207_1205_1505&item_id=139033

    I would like something with BT and Wifi, but if the board has some issues I haven't heard of or noticed I can always do a different board with an expansion card

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Someone recommend a mouse to me

    Wired or wireless? I use the G903 and swear by it, I love this mouse. I know some people prefer the shape of the G502. In either case they are both wireless, but it's very good wireless. I never notice any input lag. The G502 HERO is the wired version of the regular G502. I don't think the 903 has a direct wired analog.

    In any case, any of the Logitech G series of mice are going to be very good. They've never done me wrong. I've used Steelseries, Razer and RAT, but I always come back to Logitech.

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    ErlkönigErlkönig Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Someone recommend a mouse to me

    Wired or wireless? I use the G903 and swear by it, I love this mouse. I know some people prefer the shape of the G502. In either case they are both wireless, but it's very good wireless. I never notice any input lag. The G502 HERO is the wired version of the regular G502. I don't think the 903 has a direct wired analog.

    In any case, any of the Logitech G series of mice are going to be very good. They've never done me wrong. I've used Steelseries, Razer and RAT, but I always come back to Logitech.

    I've been loving the Razer Deathadder Elite. However, that said, the one thing that could use improvement with the Deathadder is the mouse wheel. After a month or six, the mouse wheel gets real loose and can easily get unintentionally actuated. In some games, that can be a minor inconvenience. In other games (and productivity software), it can be a major nuisance.

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    I used an older version of the Deathadder for quite a while a few years back. It's a fine mouse, but I still think everything I've used by Logitech in the same price range is better in a lot of little ways. Things like the scroll wheel being one of them. Logitech's scroll wheels are really good, with a nice tactile feeling to the movement. Plus I think all Logitech mice above the low end have a "free spin" toggle button where you can toggle the wheel to free spin if you really want that.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    I really hope the 3900x is actually a 3900x.

    It looks like it was a reseller who used to sell plastic spoons or something.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I really hope the 3900x is actually a 3900x.

    It looks like it was a reseller who used to sell plastic spoons or something.

    It's going to be a blank IHS with "ADM Rizen X3900" written on it in crayon.

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    CormacCormac Registered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Someone recommend a mouse to me

    Wired or wireless? I use the G903 and swear by it, I love this mouse. I know some people prefer the shape of the G502. In either case they are both wireless, but it's very good wireless. I never notice any input lag. The G502 HERO is the wired version of the regular G502. I don't think the 903 has a direct wired analog.

    In any case, any of the Logitech G series of mice are going to be very good. They've never done me wrong. I've used Steelseries, Razer and RAT, but I always come back to Logitech.

    I'll second the G903. It's worth the money. I also have and recommend the G502 and G403. Personally, the G502 is too heavy for me even with all the weights removed but it is a very comfortable shape. The G403 is very light, comfortable, but a little hollow feeling in comparison to the G502 and G903.

    The G903 is a perfect balance of a shape similar to the G502, with the lightness of the G403 (while still being wireless), and noticeably better build quality.

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    G600 if you need ALL THE BUTTONZ!

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I really hope the 3900x is actually a 3900x.

    It looks like it was a reseller who used to sell plastic spoons or something.

    It's going to be a blank IHS with "ADM Rizen X3900" written on it in crayon.

    I'm hoping it's like an old 2900 because then I'll keep it and do a chargeback

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Dixon wrote: »
    Hey, Im thinking this mobo for a 3700x, but I can't find much info on reviews for it

    ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi)
    https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_26_1207_1205_1505&item_id=139033

    I would like something with BT and Wifi, but if the board has some issues I haven't heard of or noticed I can always do a different board with an expansion card

    Not familiar with the x570 specifics but the TUF line is their "budget" but not shitty line of boards.
    I've used them before in builds for friends / family and have had no problems and no failures.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Someone recommend a mouse to me

    Super happy with my Logitech 502.
    Has weights too you can add / remove to your comfort level.

    I'll get behind a 502.

    It's a great mouse, evergreen.

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    DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    Okay cool, thanks for the feedback. It seemed to have nice features and a decent price so I'll prob order that. Just need to wait for CPU to come back in stock now

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    jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    https://youtu.be/Ud8Bco0dk6Q

    GN replaced the cooling pads on the RX 5700 XT with a high quality paste and added 4 cheap, common washers to the fan/heatsinks mount and got significant increases in thermal performance/decreases in noise levels.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Is anyone knowledgeable on what's good to know with Ryzen?

    We have a specific case where we want a 16 core 32 thread computer built here. I saw the info about the Ryzen 9 3950X which is coming in september, but I would prefer to build the computer prior to that. There is currently the Threadripper 2950X available which also fits those specs. From what I can see the threadripper has a much higher TDP and the hertz is ever so slightly lower, which doesn't really matter for us in this case. Mostly need the cores and threads into one case. Price is looking to be about even for these two.

    Am I missing some crucial information?

    No, not missing anything. Threadripper is just a very different chip than Ryzen parts. Threadripper is a "High End Desktop" part, designed for workstations. Threadripper supports Quad Channel Memory (compared to dual), 40 pci-e lanes (compared to 16-24), etc. Threadripper is also a different CPU design in that how they got to 16 cores is that they basically bolted 2x 8 core CPU's together. That's not a bad thing, just how the design worked before they were able to get a 16 core die like Ryzen 3.

    The 16-core Ryzen 3s are actually 2x 8-core "chiplets" on the same package. The 12-core does this as well, but (IIRC) 2x harvested chiplets that couldn't hack it at 8 cores.

    The lower-level Ryzen 3 chips just have an empty spot where the second chiplet is on the bigger ones.

    My bad.

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Is anyone knowledgeable on what's good to know with Ryzen?

    We have a specific case where we want a 16 core 32 thread computer built here. I saw the info about the Ryzen 9 3950X which is coming in september, but I would prefer to build the computer prior to that. There is currently the Threadripper 2950X available which also fits those specs. From what I can see the threadripper has a much higher TDP and the hertz is ever so slightly lower, which doesn't really matter for us in this case. Mostly need the cores and threads into one case. Price is looking to be about even for these two.

    Am I missing some crucial information?

    No, not missing anything. Threadripper is just a very different chip than Ryzen parts. Threadripper is a "High End Desktop" part, designed for workstations. Threadripper supports Quad Channel Memory (compared to dual), 40 pci-e lanes (compared to 16-24), etc. Threadripper is also a different CPU design in that how they got to 16 cores is that they basically bolted 2x 8 core CPU's together. That's not a bad thing, just how the design worked before they were able to get a 16 core die like Ryzen 3.

    The 16-core Ryzen 3s are actually 2x 8-core "chiplets" on the same package. The 12-core does this as well, but (IIRC) 2x harvested chiplets that couldn't hack it at 8 cores.

    The lower-level Ryzen 3 chips just have an empty spot where the second chiplet is on the bigger ones.

    I'm pretty sure this holds true all the way down the stack as well.

    The 8 core Ryzen 7 is a single chiplet, while the 6-core Ryzen 5 is also a single chiplet, but one that couldn't cut it as an 8-core.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Mvrck wrote: »
    What is your timeline and do you have intense read/write requirements along with the need for a high core count?

    Threadripper has way more pcie lanes and quad channel men support, but the new 4.0 nvme drives do some truly ridiculous numbers for read/write.

    It’ll likely have to hold up to like 30-40 gb in ram at the start of our jobs (I’ve capped out at my 32gb on the current machine) but after that initial load it will actually be pretty relaxed in all parts except for the cpu. I’ll probably skip quad channel and just go for more dual channel, assuming quad channel ram is more expensive. It’ll read/write slow enough that sata will be fine. Video card wise I’ll probably just throw in anything we have left over, it won’t be used except for rendering Windows at least for now.

    I guess reliability would be an aspect but that’s probably tough to say, especially about the option yet to be released. I will straight up torture this box leaving it on 100% cpu load for weeks on end.

    Timeline isn’t super critical, end of August would have been nice but I didn’t know the new ryzen release was staggered with only the 12 core available now. I could hold off to September or October though without much issue.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Quad channel ram isn't more expensive except for the fact that you need 4 sticks to actually be quad channel. If you're going with more than 32GB of ram You're probably getting at least 4 sticks anyway so that part shouldn't matter.

    Honestly, this really does sound like a HEDT/workstation workload, which is what Threadripper is designed for.

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    jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    I keep checking my local MicroCenter to see if they get more RX 5700 XTs in stock since I kinda want to jump on their $50 off deal, but they're still sold out. They've also now sold out of the regular 5700, as well as the Ryzen 5 3600, and they're getting low on 3600Xs. They finally have Ryzen 7 3700X listed as in stock though, which is what I really want.

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    HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I really need to get a third monitor set up with monitor arms on my desk I think, pc build thread, help me

    I got a cheap one from VIVO which is working great for me.

    2 24's and a 27" curved in the middle for main gaming.
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    miller high life?
    really?
    REALLY?

    as somebody who is canadian as well. disappointed.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Aridhol wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I really need to get a third monitor set up with monitor arms on my desk I think, pc build thread, help me

    I got a cheap one from VIVO which is working great for me.

    2 24's and a 27" curved in the middle for main gaming.
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    miller high life?
    really?
    REALLY?

    as somebody who is canadian as well. disappointed.

    So, funny story. I love craft beer and am a bit of an Ipa snob BUT I got a 15 pack of Miller for a beach day thing at our cabin at the lake and it was just so damn refreshing and crisp I got hooked.


    Now I'm that asshole judging people who just buy bud lite all the while I have a fridge full of Miller and ipas.

    OK maybe it's not a funny story.


    On a side note I sold my ryzen 1700 build for a profit so now I have $600 to out towards the new GPU.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    Probably the smart card choices for builders this year will be the Pulse and Nitro+ 5700/XT. Sapphire is basically the EVGA of team red, the reliably good OEM of first choice.

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    IncindiumIncindium Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    So in some reading some discussions about SMT disabling for new Ryzen procs I came across a mention for Processor Lasso
    https://bitsum.com/

    Seems like a cool tool and a whole home lifetime license is reasonable at $46.
    It might be of interest to someone here who wants to automate disabling SMT but only on specific applications.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Quad channel ram isn't more expensive except for the fact that you need 4 sticks to actually be quad channel. If you're going with more than 32GB of ram You're probably getting at least 4 sticks anyway so that part shouldn't matter.

    Honestly, this really does sound like a HEDT/workstation workload, which is what Threadripper is designed for.

    Oh cool, that sounds good to me. I will start making a purchase list for something based on that Threadripper model in that case, thank you. We'll have it up and running earlier than the alternative which is a plus as well.

    I see that it's compatible with ECC RAM... I don't know the difference, I recognize it from seeing it commonly used in xeon workstations but do not actually know what it does. What's the benefit of ECC vs regular RAM?

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Error correction. For when you CAN'T have errors, which doesn't apply to most people so it doesn't matter. But if it does, you'd know it.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Radeon Image sharpening tested.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MLr1nijHIo

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    KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Crosshair 8 is finally up on NewEgg. Not on PCPartPicker yet: https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-crosshair-viii-hero/p/N82E16813119110

    $360. Wifi is $20 more.

    Still not seeing the GamerNexus review for the 8 cores...

    Edit: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-970-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/2577vs4045

    Might finally be time to upgrade the GPU. But gonna wait for the 5700 XTs without silly goose coolers.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    My PC is family pc, but I do not want to drop another $20 on another mouse in a few months. I forget when I replaced this one with a $20 logitech, but I'm double clicking or not clicking and its a pain in the ass.

    edit:

    You got something less frills but same quality as this?

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A

    wired please.

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    That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    After disabling the hardware exploit mitigation patches and further tweaking my overclocks, I got an extra 10fps out of Total Warhammer 2 in late game. I think I am happy to wait for the Ryzen 3950x when it comes out in September. They basically confirmed that the 3900x is 2 broken 8 core chiplets. It's doesn't surprise me that overclocking is somewhat limited. I feel like the 3950x is going to be a monster for overclocking. It's basically the 2 best binned chiplets on a single die.

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    GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    The 3700X is available on Amazon now at retail, just ordered one.

    Now, where are people coming down on X470 vs. X570 chipsets for motherboards? It sounds like there's some concern about the latter?

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    OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    edited July 2019
    My PC is family pc, but I do not want to drop another $20 on another mouse in a few months. I forget when I replaced this one with a $20 logitech, but I'm double clicking or not clicking and its a pain in the ass.

    edit:

    You got something less frills but same quality as this?

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A

    wired please.

    In my experience, logitech mice are good for about a year of continuous use. After that the middle click is the first to go, usually followed by the left mouse button registering phantom clicks. Teardowns have shown they're using deliberately shitty switches that would cost pennies to get more reliable ones--so designing for obsolescence. I don't yet know of a competitor that does better, but I hope someone has recommendations.

    I've got an Evoluent mouse which is going strong after a year, but I also paid $80 for the damn thing and I don't use it gaming so it's not a fair comparison.

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    mightyjongyomightyjongyo Sour Crrm East Bay, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    The 3700X is available on Amazon now at retail, just ordered one.

    Now, where are people coming down on X470 vs. X570 chipsets for motherboards? It sounds like there's some concern about the latter?

    My understanding of the situation is that you only really need X570 if you're planning on getting additional upgrades that make use of PCIE4.0 or are an enthusiast who wants latest everything.

    The concerns seem to be that due to how certain X570 boards were designed, the chipsets run hotter than usual if you use the first GPU slot on those boards (I haven't been paying enough attention to know which boards are problematic).

    Oh, and price, I think it's a solid $100 between an X470 and X570 board?

    Personally I just got an X470 board because it was on sale.

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    MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    That_Guy wrote: »
    After disabling the hardware exploit mitigation patches and further tweaking my overclocks, I got an extra 10fps out of Total Warhammer 2 in late game. I think I am happy to wait for the Ryzen 3950x when it comes out in September. They basically confirmed that the 3900x is 2 broken 8 core chiplets. It's doesn't surprise me that overclocking is somewhat limited. I feel like the 3950x is going to be a monster for overclocking. It's basically the 2 best binned chiplets on a single die.

    I would not bet money on that, since it seems like even the 3700x and 3600x have very little headroom for OCing currently as well.

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    My PC is family pc, but I do not want to drop another $20 on another mouse in a few months. I forget when I replaced this one with a $20 logitech, but I'm double clicking or not clicking and its a pain in the ass.

    edit:

    You got something less frills but same quality as this?

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A

    wired please.

    In my experience, logitech mice are good for about a year of continuous use. After that the middle click is the first to go, usually followed by the left mouse button registering phantom clicks. Teardowns have shown they're using deliberately shitty switches that would cost pennies to get more reliable ones--so designing for obsolescence. I don't yet know of a competitor that does better, but I hope someone has recommendations.

    I've got an Evoluent mouse which is going strong after a year, but I also paid $80 for the damn thing and I don't use it gaming so it's not a fair comparison.

    Mouse usage cases are so subjective that it's hard to comment solidly on reliability. My wife still uses a MX518 regularly.

    I use a Logitech G500 as my daily driver at work and have zero issues with it (using the free-scroll wheel in PDFs is the way and the light). Iv'e got a G502 Proteus that I bought used on Ebay with no issues.

    Honestly, if Corsair sold a mouse with the free-scroll wheel, I'd take one of theirs instead of the Logitech. They tend to focus on better/more reliable switches, so I would peg them for longer term reliability. Of course, you're paying for that reliability, but sales happen quite often.

    Regarding teardowns: how involved is it to replace the switches on a Logitech mouse? [this is more an exercise to see if I could perform the repair, if I were in that situation, than whether it's smarter to buy replacement switches or just buy a new mouse]

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    OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    Mugsley wrote: »
    Orca wrote: »
    My PC is family pc, but I do not want to drop another $20 on another mouse in a few months. I forget when I replaced this one with a $20 logitech, but I'm double clicking or not clicking and its a pain in the ass.

    edit:

    You got something less frills but same quality as this?

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A

    wired please.

    In my experience, logitech mice are good for about a year of continuous use. After that the middle click is the first to go, usually followed by the left mouse button registering phantom clicks. Teardowns have shown they're using deliberately shitty switches that would cost pennies to get more reliable ones--so designing for obsolescence. I don't yet know of a competitor that does better, but I hope someone has recommendations.

    I've got an Evoluent mouse which is going strong after a year, but I also paid $80 for the damn thing and I don't use it gaming so it's not a fair comparison.

    Mouse usage cases are so subjective that it's hard to comment solidly on reliability. My wife still uses a MX518 regularly.

    I use a Logitech G500 as my daily driver at work and have zero issues with it (using the free-scroll wheel in PDFs is the way and the light). Iv'e got a G502 Proteus that I bought used on Ebay with no issues.

    Honestly, if Corsair sold a mouse with the free-scroll wheel, I'd take one of theirs instead of the Logitech. They tend to focus on better/more reliable switches, so I would peg them for longer term reliability. Of course, you're paying for that reliability, but sales happen quite often.

    Regarding teardowns: how involved is it to replace the switches on a Logitech mouse? [this is more an exercise to see if I could perform the repair, if I were in that situation, than whether it's smarter to buy replacement switches or just buy a new mouse]

    If you’re a tech it didn’t sound too hard. I can’t solder worth a damn so *shrug*

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    3900X looks in stock at Amazon for those wanting to buy.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    My PC is family pc, but I do not want to drop another $20 on another mouse in a few months. I forget when I replaced this one with a $20 logitech, but I'm double clicking or not clicking and its a pain in the ass.

    edit:

    You got something less frills but same quality as this?

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A

    wired please.

    In my experience, logitech mice are good for about a year of continuous use. After that the middle click is the first to go, usually followed by the left mouse button registering phantom clicks. Teardowns have shown they're using deliberately shitty switches that would cost pennies to get more reliable ones--so designing for obsolescence. I don't yet know of a competitor that does better, but I hope someone has recommendations.

    I've got an Evoluent mouse which is going strong after a year, but I also paid $80 for the damn thing and I don't use it gaming so it's not a fair comparison.

    G502 for 3 years and still works. So *shrug*

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    My PC is family pc, but I do not want to drop another $20 on another mouse in a few months. I forget when I replaced this one with a $20 logitech, but I'm double clicking or not clicking and its a pain in the ass.

    edit:

    You got something less frills but same quality as this?

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A

    wired please.

    In my experience, logitech mice are good for about a year of continuous use. After that the middle click is the first to go, usually followed by the left mouse button registering phantom clicks. Teardowns have shown they're using deliberately shitty switches that would cost pennies to get more reliable ones--so designing for obsolescence. I don't yet know of a competitor that does better, but I hope someone has recommendations.

    I've got an Evoluent mouse which is going strong after a year, but I also paid $80 for the damn thing and I don't use it gaming so it's not a fair comparison.

    Logitech has had build issue in their peripherals for literal years - never buy one of their joysticks, the potentiometers fucking suck.

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    That_Guy wrote: »
    After disabling the hardware exploit mitigation patches and further tweaking my overclocks, I got an extra 10fps out of Total Warhammer 2 in late game. I think I am happy to wait for the Ryzen 3950x when it comes out in September. They basically confirmed that the 3900x is 2 broken 8 core chiplets. It's doesn't surprise me that overclocking is somewhat limited. I feel like the 3950x is going to be a monster for overclocking. It's basically the 2 best binned chiplets on a single die.

    Yeah I think I am going to wait for 3950x benchmarks and depending how those go, either upgrade to that or just wait for the next Intel generation. Assuming the next Intel generation comes before the next(next) AMD one, of course.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    It's really striking how good Radeon Image Sharpening looks; beats the pants off DLSS; this is probably the secret sauce for 4k 60fps on the next console gen.

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    LTT posted a video where they replaced the panel in a broken AORUS GSync monitor and now eBay has very few broken high end monitors for sale.

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