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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Mugsley wrote: »
    LTT posted a video where they replaced the panel in a broken AORUS GSync monitor and now eBay has very few broken high end monitors for sale.

    the LTT effect.

    Also they barely saved any money and have no warranty anyways...
    It was neat if your shit breaks but doesn't seem like a money making scheme heh.

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    PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    My PC is family pc, but I do not want to drop another $20 on another mouse in a few months. I forget when I replaced this one with a $20 logitech, but I'm double clicking or not clicking and its a pain in the ass.

    edit:

    You got something less frills but same quality as this?

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A

    wired please.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002B3YCQM/

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    IncindiumIncindium Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Mugsley wrote: »
    LTT posted a video where they replaced the panel in a broken AORUS GSync monitor and now eBay has very few broken high end monitors for sale.

    the LTT effect.

    Also they barely saved any money and have no warranty anyways...
    It was neat if your shit breaks but doesn't seem like a money making scheme heh.

    One of the comments to that video did make me reaware that liquidation auctions are a thing and there are lots of them local to me. Saw one with 24k list worth of TVs and even a 2k Intel chip in it that made me interested but salvaging electronics for parts is realistically too much work and I'd just end up with a hundreds of pounds of non working electronics.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Incindium wrote: »
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Mugsley wrote: »
    LTT posted a video where they replaced the panel in a broken AORUS GSync monitor and now eBay has very few broken high end monitors for sale.

    the LTT effect.

    Also they barely saved any money and have no warranty anyways...
    It was neat if your shit breaks but doesn't seem like a money making scheme heh.

    One of the comments to that video did make me reaware that liquidation auctions are a thing and there are lots of them local to me. Saw one with 24k list worth of TVs and even a 2k Intel chip in it that made me interested but salvaging electronic for parts is realistically too much work and I'd just end up with a hundreds of pounds of non working electronics.

    I wish this was true where I'm at.
    Being on an island basically screws me for shipping and any warehouse / returns deals :(

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Incindium wrote: »
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Mugsley wrote: »
    LTT posted a video where they replaced the panel in a broken AORUS GSync monitor and now eBay has very few broken high end monitors for sale.

    the LTT effect.

    Also they barely saved any money and have no warranty anyways...
    It was neat if your shit breaks but doesn't seem like a money making scheme heh.

    One of the comments to that video did make me reaware that liquidation auctions are a thing and there are lots of them local to me. Saw one with 24k list worth of TVs and even a 2k Intel chip in it that made me interested but salvaging electronic for parts is realistically too much work and I'd just end up with a hundreds of pounds of non working electronics.

    I wish this was true where I'm at.
    Being on an island basically screws me for shipping and any warehouse / returns deals :(

    KristoferYee lives near a liquidation warehouse in Las Vegas. Just by straight flipping stuff he buys in lots, he's made money. That's likely the most price conscious way of getting and 'recovering' a high end display.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    It's unbelievable how hard DLSS got clowned on - Left is Radeon Image Sharpening, right is DLSS in BF5.

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    From the video I posted previously.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MLr1nijHIo&feature=youtu.be

    DLSS is a joke, but this thing lets you do 4k with $400 USD dollars of card and not look too bad. There's no longer any real reason, arguably to buy Turing for a build this year unless you need CUDA; might be the best card AMD has had since the HD 7970.

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    KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    My PC is family pc, but I do not want to drop another $20 on another mouse in a few months. I forget when I replaced this one with a $20 logitech, but I'm double clicking or not clicking and its a pain in the ass.

    edit:

    You got something less frills but same quality as this?

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A

    wired please.


    Contact Logitech via support.logi.com. My G203 was doing that, and they sent me a replacement. I don't even have to send the old one back, apparently.

    (This is because, according to the logi forums, they're using cheapo microswitches and it's a constant problem across their entire product line.)

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    übergeekübergeek Sector 2814Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    My one and only issue right now is that I have a Gsync display. I'd consider going back to AMD if I could get this monitor to play nice with Freesync. The DLSS was the part I wanted to use on the RTX's since raytracing itself is too much of a hit at 1440P to make it worth it and RIS seems to do it better.

    EDIT My original plan was to get an Asus Strix 2060 Super OC. Before taxes and shipping it's $469 off Newegg, with tax it's just shy of $500. The blower style XT's on Newegg are the actual MSRP so I'd only pay $423 with the tax and the eventual AIB's are going to be cheaper than $500 by probably $50.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    KiTA wrote: »
    My PC is family pc, but I do not want to drop another $20 on another mouse in a few months. I forget when I replaced this one with a $20 logitech, but I'm double clicking or not clicking and its a pain in the ass.

    edit:

    You got something less frills but same quality as this?

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A

    wired please.


    Contact Logitech via support.logi.com. My G203 was doing that, and they sent me a replacement. I don't even have to send the old one back, apparently.

    (This is because, according to the logi forums, they're using cheapo microswitches and it's a constant problem across their entire product line.)

    Again, the g502 Hero has Omron 50m switches along with a lot of their top tier stuff. So it's not the entire product line.

    Their mid grade ones and cheap ones use cheap switches but that's the same across every peripheral developer.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    Turing is looking like the worst nVidia arch since Fermi; enormous chips making for shit yields, a infantile failure issue at launch, terrible pricing, including the worst -60 for some time and the banner features are either so infantile that they don't matter as they send your FPS straight to hell for fairly little benefit (RTX) outside of the flagship model or are a total punchline, like DLSS.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    It's unbelievable how hard DLSS got clowned on - Left is Radeon Image Sharpening, right is DLSS in BF5.

    x321BE8.jpg

    From the video I posted previously.

    DLSS is a joke, but this thing lets you do 4k with $400 USD dollars of card and not look too bad. There's no longer any real reason, arguably to buy Turing for a build this year unless you need CUDA; might be the best card AMD has had since the HD 7970.

    I haven't watched the video so I might be missing something here, but the image on the right is CLEARLY at a lower polycount with lower resolution textures, it's not even close. You can't "sharpen" data that's just not there.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    It's unbelievable how hard DLSS got clowned on - Left is Radeon Image Sharpening, right is DLSS in BF5.

    x321BE8.jpg

    From the video I posted previously.

    DLSS is a joke, but this thing lets you do 4k with $400 USD dollars of card and not look too bad. There's no longer any real reason, arguably to buy Turing for a build this year unless you need CUDA; might be the best card AMD has had since the HD 7970.

    I haven't watched the video so I might be missing something here, but the image on the right is CLEARLY at a lower polycount with lower resolution textures, it's not even close. You can't "sharpen" data that's just not there.

    It's a mixture of odd artifacting and apparently nVidia is good at eliminating 'unessential' polys to maintain perf. It's something they've done for years, since at least the 900s.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1IGWsllYEo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5ZCJah-FY&t=5s&app=desktop

    Edit:

    Also, the XT has some real overclock headroom, according to some german experimenters. The Toxic is gonna be a BEAST.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.tomshw.de/2019/0 7/11/ungefesselt-radeon-rx-5700-xt-auf-ueber-22-ghz-uebertaktet-break-the-limits-mit-den-neuen-softpowerplaytables-fuer-die-rx-5700-und-rx-5700-xt/3/

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    That thing takes potshots at a 2080FE.

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    I mean, we're all just going to ignore that he's trying to compare a card with a bad cooler, that already runs hot, with an almost 100% power limit boost, to a non-overlocked FE card that's a year old at this point?

    I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's so humorously biased.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    I mean, we're all just going to ignore that he's trying to compare a card with a bad cooler, that already runs hot, with an almost 100% power limit boost, to a non-overlocked FE card that's a year old at this point?

    I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's so humorously biased.

    It shows that the AIBs have a damn good chance at being real terrors, considering that the cooler really holds it back... and that that rumored 5800 XT might be able to take potshots at the 2080ti. This is 40 CUs; imagine what 56 or 64 could do.

    Also worth noting that the FE is a good 2080.

    Edit: Power consumption

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    MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    I mean, we're all just going to ignore that he's trying to compare a card with a bad cooler, that already runs hot, with an almost 100% power limit boost, to a non-overlocked FE card that's a year old at this point?

    I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's so humorously biased.

    It's also only at 1920x1080. XT is gonna drop off hard at higher resolutions.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    Mvrck wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    I mean, we're all just going to ignore that he's trying to compare a card with a bad cooler, that already runs hot, with an almost 100% power limit boost, to a non-overlocked FE card that's a year old at this point?

    I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's so humorously biased.

    It's also only at 1920x1080. XT is gonna drop off hard at higher resolutions.

    That is what Radeon Image Sharpening is for.

    I would rather be accused of intransigence than tolerating genocide for the sake of everyone getting along. - @Metzger Meister
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    DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    I thought stuff like DLSS is specific to game, in BF5 it was okay but in Anthem the game looked amazing with it on at 4k.

    Is that the same as Radeon where each game can have different results or is it just cumulative work that gets better and the changes don’t impact older games?

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    Dixon wrote: »
    I thought stuff like DLSS is specific to game, in BF5 it was okay but in Anthem the game looked amazing with it on at 4k.

    Is that the same as Radeon where each game can have different results or is it just cumulative work that gets better and the changes don’t impact older games?

    The thing that really stops DLSS is that RIS is driver side. So long as it's DX 12 or 9 - 11 isn't here yet for some reason, but can't be far off -you're good.

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    If I keep looking at these Microcenter deals, I'm going to end up building a new rig.

    Any Zen2 CPU + AM4 Mobo + 1TB/2TB Inland PCIe 4 SSD + any 5700 GPU -- $200 off the bundle.

    Asus PRIME X370-PRO Mobo free w any Zen2 CPU

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    ErlkönigErlkönig Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    By the way, to be fair to the 5700XT, if you just can't wait for the non-reference options, you can pick up third-party coolers right now that'll work with the new cards.

    https://www.pcgamer.com/several-of-arctic-coolings-existing-coolers-support-amds-radeon-rx-5700-cards/

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    MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    Mvrck wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    I mean, we're all just going to ignore that he's trying to compare a card with a bad cooler, that already runs hot, with an almost 100% power limit boost, to a non-overlocked FE card that's a year old at this point?

    I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's so humorously biased.

    It's also only at 1920x1080. XT is gonna drop off hard at higher resolutions.

    That is what Radeon Image Sharpening is for.

    RIS isn't going to do you any good at hitting 60+ fps at 4k.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    Mvrck wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    I mean, we're all just going to ignore that he's trying to compare a card with a bad cooler, that already runs hot, with an almost 100% power limit boost, to a non-overlocked FE card that's a year old at this point?

    I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's so humorously biased.

    It's also only at 1920x1080. XT is gonna drop off hard at higher resolutions.

    That is what Radeon Image Sharpening is for.

    RIS isn't going to do you any good at hitting 60+ fps at 4k.

    Not to be a goose to Jeep but I am 95% sure she works for AMD or is AMD ajacent.
    There are literally zero posts in this thread that contain a positive word about Nvidia or Intel.

    Fairs fair and I'd defend my guys in any light but get out your salt shaker for those posts :)

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    KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    PC Part Picker has this warning on my current buildout:

    Warning!Asus - ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard and AMD - Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor are not compatible.

    Is that in error?

    Also, 3800Xs are back in stock at NewEgg: https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-3800x/p/N82E16819113104

    Edit: Also, if you want a Noctua NH-D15, expect to pay $300, apparently. https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01NC06ZYT/

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Those parts will be compatible.
    PC partpicker and even the ASUS support page are slow.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    Mvrck wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    I mean, we're all just going to ignore that he's trying to compare a card with a bad cooler, that already runs hot, with an almost 100% power limit boost, to a non-overlocked FE card that's a year old at this point?

    I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's so humorously biased.

    It's also only at 1920x1080. XT is gonna drop off hard at higher resolutions.

    That is what Radeon Image Sharpening is for.

    RIS isn't going to do you any good at hitting 60+ fps at 4k.

    Not to be a goose to Jeep but I am 95% sure he works for AMD or is AMD ajacent.
    There are literally zero posts in this thread that contain a positive word about Nvidia or Intel.

    Fairs fair and I'd defend my guys in any light but get out your salt shaker for those posts :)

    She, and no. I don't have much good to be said of nVidia and Intel this gen, as.... well, to be honest, there isn't much to be said, as the coffee lake refreshes are hot running, insecure and overpriced. XT takes pot shots at the 2080 FE - a GOOD 2080, I might add - for only 25 extra watts over the base budget - there's a realistic chance that there's gonna be AIBs that will hit that out of the box, and Turing is looking like a sad joke right now, as it's overpriced - unfixably so, with the Brobdingnagian die - and the banner features are frankly either too new and too primitive, or flatly a punchline.
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    Mvrck wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    I mean, we're all just going to ignore that he's trying to compare a card with a bad cooler, that already runs hot, with an almost 100% power limit boost, to a non-overlocked FE card that's a year old at this point?

    I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's so humorously biased.

    It's also only at 1920x1080. XT is gonna drop off hard at higher resolutions.

    That is what Radeon Image Sharpening is for.

    RIS isn't going to do you any good at hitting 60+ fps at 4k.

    The next console gen is supposed to be able to do that, and guess what arch it uses? That kind of thing was at least theoretically on the table for Navi since we heard about the PS5. Edit: I might add that the PS5 Navi is a LITE version of the arch, not analogous to the xt. So yes, I think 60 and pocket change upscaling at 4k is at least somewhat realistic.

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    evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    Just fyi if you're getting a 3000 series ryzen to run linux on you might need to check around if the distro you wanna use will boot on it for a while. Some versions of systemd are hitting trouble with rdrand not working properly, and while that's getting patched around quickly it might take a while to make it into ISOs for some distros. Probably get fixed in a microcode update at some point.

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    HeatwaveHeatwave Come, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered User regular
    What are people's thoughts on good PSUs?

    I personally think it's best to invest in a decent PSU as a bad one take take the whole system with it if it dies. But they can be costly when you're trying to not only stick to a budget, but save as much as possible.

    A friend of mine is looking to get a PC for gaming for at most $2800AUD, including two monitors, windows and office as this is what he's used to and is what we use at work. His internet is not great, so please no recommending online alternatives for office.

    His main reason for looking at a gaming PC is he's sick of Xbox One consoles dying on him and doesn't want to deal with that console again.

    I have a rough idea of what he could get from a local store, but my key areas of concern are PSU, Dual Monitors, GPU and Case.

    Anyway here's a list I made.

    He only wants to buy from one store, which is why I selected Scorptec as there's a store near where he lives.

    PCPartPicker Part List

    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($315.00)
    Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($189.00)
    Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($149.00 @ Scorptec)
    Storage: ADATA - XPG SX6000 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($189.00 @ Scorptec)
    Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 5700 8 GB Video Card ($589.00)
    Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox MB520 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.00 @ Scorptec)
    Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G1+ 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.00)
    Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit ($175.00)
    Software: Microsoft - Office Home & Business 2019 - 1 Device Software ($279.00)
    Monitor: LG - 24GM79G-B 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($279.00)
    Monitor: LG - 24GM79G-B 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($279.00)
    Total: $2691.00
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-12 20:54 AEST+1000

    I'd like to make it cheaper if possible.

    I feel like 1TB is going to be vital, and the price of this m.2 SSD seems really good as well.

    I'm kind of thinking the EVGA 650W SuperNOVA G+ (139AUD). This would give him some breathing room for the future and is decent quality. It just seems a bit pricey but considering the cost of the build I'd hate for a cheap PSU to kill the system.

    Cooler Master - MCB-B520-KGNN-RGB (109AUD). Eeehhh. It seems ok at first glance but I haven't found many reviews. But for an extra 40AUD he could get one of the Thermaltake Commander cases like the C35. There's a cheaper no frills version of the Cooler Master case for 85AUD, which would knock off a about $24, but only has one fan at the back. Really annoyed all the cheaper cases at this store either have one fan, restricted airflow from the front, are ugly as hell, or have a super annoying design (Matrex 55's PCIE slots have snap-off slot covers. Look out, Satan, Deepcool is after your job).

    Two LG 24GL600F-B (279AUD each). At work we use dual monitors and he likes the idea of using a second to browse the net, etc. The reviews seem fine, but since he's coming from console gaming I wonder if these are the right fit for him. Like, I'm personally gaming on a I think a 60hz monitor and I've been "fine" with it for now, but he wants "good picture quality like when xbox gaming on a 4k TV". I'm assuming that means he wants decent colours and sharpness? I'm not a monitor wizard.

    Reference Radeon RX 5700 is actually super cheap in Australia compared to the AIB Nvidia 2060/super. I could also knock down the GPU to something like the 1660 TI.

    I'm thinking maybe knocking the CPU down to a 2600 as apparently a lot of people are having trouble updating the bios on B450 boards for Ryzen 3000. Either that or having him spend about 170AUD to get it all put together and installed in store. But that'd be kind of shitty.

    Anyway, feedback regarding the hardware is appreciated.

    The other option is maybe having him get a prebuilt system like this. He'd just need to get the monitors and office software separate

    https://www.pccasegear.com/products/46947/pccg-gunmetal-5700-gaming-system

    https://www.pccasegear.com/bundle/476

    I can't find any reviews on this Phanteks PSU so I'm going to assume its shit? Also 256GB SSD? Yeah he can install games on the HDD but why should he have to suffer those loading times :P



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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    The next console gen is supposed to be able to do that, and guess what arch it uses? That kind of thing was at least theoretically on the table for Navi since we heard about the PS5. Edit: I might add that the PS5 Navi is a LITE version of the arch, not analogous to the xt. So yes, I think 60 and pocket change upscaling at 4k is at least somewhat realistic.

    Console 4k/60 is not the same as PC 4K 60 Ultra, which is what usually people think of when they think 4K/60.

    Most high end video cards (2070 Super and up) can run what the next gen consoles will be running as 4K/60: Medium settings.

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    jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Mugsley wrote: »
    If I keep looking at these Microcenter deals, I'm going to end up building a new rig.

    Any Zen2 CPU + AM4 Mobo + 1TB/2TB Inland PCIe 4 SSD + any 5700 GPU -- $200 off the bundle.

    Asus PRIME X370-PRO Mobo free w any Zen2 CPU

    The 5700 XT still hasn't come back into stock at my local one or I'd have already jumped on their deals.

    Edit: They're sold out of vanilla 5700s as well!

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    DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    Nice, found a place that had the 3700x in stock in canada. It was on sale for 436cdn which isn't bad either. Odd it was some smaller mom&pop place. RedFlagDeals though said people have had success with them. Motherboard and RAM is on the way as well.

    Just need to pick up a new drive. I've got 3 SSDs that are 2.5" but I want one of the new fancier ones

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    mightyjongyomightyjongyo Sour Crrm East Bay, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    My 3700X is supposed to arrive today! It's been almost 6 years since my last full rebuild and reinstall, this'll be fun

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    MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    @Heatwave check prices for Seasonic and Corsair PSUs. Cooler Master PSUs review well, also. Lately, I've seen sales on Seasonics in the US, so you may have some luck. Try poking into r/buildapcsales for general prices and model numbers so you can help narrow your searches.

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    mightyjongyomightyjongyo Sour Crrm East Bay, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    On a somewhat related note, if anyone needs a 200GE to update their BIOS, let me know. I'll happily send it out to anywhere in the states for like, i dunno, $20+shipping

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    DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2019
    man the m.2 gen4 drives are still pretty pricey. The Corsair one seems to be the best value but almost $400 for the 1tb here in canada....i think i'll wait a bit on those

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    The next console gen is supposed to be able to do that, and guess what arch it uses? That kind of thing was at least theoretically on the table for Navi since we heard about the PS5. Edit: I might add that the PS5 Navi is a LITE version of the arch, not analogous to the xt. So yes, I think 60 and pocket change upscaling at 4k is at least somewhat realistic.

    Console 4k/60 is not the same as PC 4K 60 Ultra, which is what usually people think of when they think 4K/60.

    Most high end video cards (2070 Super and up) can run what the next gen consoles will be running as 4K/60: Medium settings.

    It's upscaling from 1440p, something it can do high or ultra without much sweat, at stock - techspot gets 27% perf uplift with no real loss in good looks:
    https://www.techspot.com/article/1873-radeon-image-sharpening-vs-nvidia-dlss/

    I don't agree with their quality assessment versus DLSS, but still.

    DLSS also needs to be trained for specific graphics settings; RIS is tick a box and go. It doesn't do DX11 yet, but the library is literally anything on DX12, 9 and Vulkan. DLSS is utterly pointless - and the 55000 and 5600 will likely get it too, which means that the 1600 is in for pain, if the same price tier could be upscaling to 1440p or doing ultra 1080p, and the 1600 series doesn't even have the small mitigating factor of RTX. It's fucked.
    Heatwave wrote: »
    What are people's thoughts on good PSUs?

    I personally think it's best to invest in a decent PSU as a bad one take take the whole system with it if it dies. But they can be costly when you're trying to not only stick to a budget, but save as much as possible.

    A friend of mine is looking to get a PC for gaming for at most $2800AUD, including two monitors, windows and office as this is what he's used to and is what we use at work. His internet is not great, so please no recommending online alternatives for office.

    His main reason for looking at a gaming PC is he's sick of Xbox One consoles dying on him and doesn't want to deal with that console again.

    I have a rough idea of what he could get from a local store, but my key areas of concern are PSU, Dual Monitors, GPU and Case.

    Anyway here's a list I made.

    He only wants to buy from one store, which is why I selected Scorptec as there's a store near where he lives.

    PCPartPicker Part List

    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($315.00)
    Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($189.00)
    Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($149.00 @ Scorptec)
    Storage: ADATA - XPG SX6000 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($189.00 @ Scorptec)
    Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 5700 8 GB Video Card ($589.00)
    Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox MB520 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.00 @ Scorptec)
    Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G1+ 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.00)
    Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit ($175.00)
    Software: Microsoft - Office Home & Business 2019 - 1 Device Software ($279.00)
    Monitor: LG - 24GM79G-B 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($279.00)
    Monitor: LG - 24GM79G-B 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($279.00)
    Total: $2691.00
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-12 20:54 AEST+1000

    I'd like to make it cheaper if possible.

    I feel like 1TB is going to be vital, and the price of this m.2 SSD seems really good as well.

    I'm kind of thinking the EVGA 650W SuperNOVA G+ (139AUD). This would give him some breathing room for the future and is decent quality. It just seems a bit pricey but considering the cost of the build I'd hate for a cheap PSU to kill the system.

    Cooler Master - MCB-B520-KGNN-RGB (109AUD). Eeehhh. It seems ok at first glance but I haven't found many reviews. But for an extra 40AUD he could get one of the Thermaltake Commander cases like the C35. There's a cheaper no frills version of the Cooler Master case for 85AUD, which would knock off a about $24, but only has one fan at the back. Really annoyed all the cheaper cases at this store either have one fan, restricted airflow from the front, are ugly as hell, or have a super annoying design (Matrex 55's PCIE slots have snap-off slot covers. Look out, Satan, Deepcool is after your job).

    Two LG 24GL600F-B (279AUD each). At work we use dual monitors and he likes the idea of using a second to browse the net, etc. The reviews seem fine, but since he's coming from console gaming I wonder if these are the right fit for him. Like, I'm personally gaming on a I think a 60hz monitor and I've been "fine" with it for now, but he wants "good picture quality like when xbox gaming on a 4k TV". I'm assuming that means he wants decent colours and sharpness? I'm not a monitor wizard.

    Reference Radeon RX 5700 is actually super cheap in Australia compared to the AIB Nvidia 2060/super. I could also knock down the GPU to something like the 1660 TI.

    I'm thinking maybe knocking the CPU down to a 2600 as apparently a lot of people are having trouble updating the bios on B450 boards for Ryzen 3000. Either that or having him spend about 170AUD to get it all put together and installed in store. But that'd be kind of shitty.

    Anyway, feedback regarding the hardware is appreciated.

    The other option is maybe having him get a prebuilt system like this. He'd just need to get the monitors and office software separate

    https://www.pccasegear.com/products/46947/pccg-gunmetal-5700-gaming-system

    https://www.pccasegear.com/bundle/476

    I can't find any reviews on this Phanteks PSU so I'm going to assume its shit? Also 256GB SSD? Yeah he can install games on the HDD but why should he have to suffer those loading times :P



    I'd wait for the AIB sapphire, given the uplift in perf from better cooling we've seen as well as driver improvements to come. Seasonic, Corsair, EVGA, all are good choices in PSU. 650 is probably good, but hit up AU's PCpartspicker.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-security-vulnerabilities-processor-diagnostic-tool-ssd,39845.html

    At this point, given how often they just keep cocking up security, I'm just unwilling to buy anything from Intel until we get some real changes in their security culture. And I used to be actually interested in Xe.

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    jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    Turing is looking like the worst nVidia arch since Fermi; enormous chips making for shit yields, a infantile failure issue at launch, terrible pricing, including the worst -60 for some time and the banner features are either so infantile that they don't matter as they send your FPS straight to hell for fairly little benefit (RTX) outside of the flagship model or are a total punchline, like DLSS.

    Dude. Take this back to Anandtech forums. Your influence is showing.

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    Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    jmcdonald wrote: »
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    Turing is looking like the worst nVidia arch since Fermi; enormous chips making for shit yields, a infantile failure issue at launch, terrible pricing, including the worst -60 for some time and the banner features are either so infantile that they don't matter as they send your FPS straight to hell for fairly little benefit (RTX) outside of the flagship model or are a total punchline, like DLSS.

    Dude. Take this back to Anandtech forums. Your influence is showing.

    DLSS is objectively inferior as a tech to RIS, as it has a terrible library and only works with some settings, and requires active implementation - and was beaten by something using older, non ML based solutions - for less. Until the 3000 series and RDNA 2, RT is literally just future proofing for future cards in games.

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    IncindiumIncindium Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    So finally managed to find a couple reviews for the PCI-E 4 SSD's and it looks like they bench faster in some raw benchmarks but in real life stuff are basically the same as the top end PCI-E 3 NVME drives,

    So I went ahead and bought a second XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB 3D NAND PCIe NVMe drive for my build since the cost of two of them were the same as a single new PCI-E 4 drive.

    So now the real question is do I wanna be risky and run a RAID 0 with them? That should result in some crazy bench and real life numbers.

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    Ear3nd1lEar3nd1l Eärendil the Mariner, father of Elrond Registered User regular
    I only have 1080p monitors. How much benefit would I see from something like RIS or DLSS?

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    ErlkönigErlkönig Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Woo! 2070 Super in hand and getting ready to install the card. Let's see how MHW will look after this wee operation.

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