Man, by the time all this shit gets sorted out it will have been a full year since I planned my upgrade.
I should just go buy an Intel :P
As much as I would like to do the swap on this gen, I was just thinking the same thing. I could buy the i9-9900 right now and be in great shape, even if the 3950X ends up being way better. Probably isn't going to be a mobo solution with pcie4 without a loud-ass chipset fan for a long time, so what's the point of waiting? I guess I could get the 3950X with an x470 and eventually buy a new mobo for it later? but that still means I'm waiting until sept/oct.
Edit: though I am running an i5-4690 right now, so it would be a massive leap regardless.
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Man, by the time all this shit gets sorted out it will have been a full year since I planned my upgrade.
I should just go buy an Intel :P
As much as I would like to do the swap on this gen, I was just thinking the same thing. I could buy the i9-9900 right now and be in great shape, even if the 3950X ends up being way better. Probably isn't going to be a mobo solution with pcie4 without a loud-ass chipset fan for a long time, so what's the point of waiting? I guess I could get the 3950X with an x470 and eventually buy a new mobo for it later? but that still means I'm waiting until sept/oct.
Edit: though I am running an i5-4690 right now, so it would be a massive leap regardless.
I'm sitting on an i5-3570K right now, so it sounds like we're in more or less the same place for "it's time to upgrade, I'm willing to spend $bux, but I don't want a lot of hassle".
I have enough hassle at work, I just want my shit at home to work.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
I think I can sell all my stuff (GTX970, old case, old 1080p monitor, i5 6500 and mobo, 16 gb 2333 ram) for $350-400, making this upgrade only 200 bucks.
Looks like overclocking memory to 3600 or higher alone may be causing the 3900x to switch to a higher voltage draw which ends up limiting how high the cores can boost by themselves.
Man, by the time all this shit gets sorted out it will have been a full year since I planned my upgrade.
I should just go buy an Intel :P
As much as I would like to do the swap on this gen, I was just thinking the same thing. I could buy the i9-9900 right now and be in great shape, even if the 3950X ends up being way better. Probably isn't going to be a mobo solution with pcie4 without a loud-ass chipset fan for a long time, so what's the point of waiting? I guess I could get the 3950X with an x470 and eventually buy a new mobo for it later? but that still means I'm waiting until sept/oct.
Edit: though I am running an i5-4690 right now, so it would be a massive leap regardless.
I'm sitting on an i5-3570K right now, so it sounds like we're in more or less the same place for "it's time to upgrade, I'm willing to spend $bux, but I don't want a lot of hassle".
I have enough hassle at work, I just want my shit at home to work.
yeah, when I set aside many dollars for something fun and powerful, I want it to just work
I do really want that 16 core 32 thread though.... gahhhhh
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Also, I don't have the extra cash at the moment but I have a big fucking limit on a credit card that's been at a 0 balance for about 3 months and I can absolutely afford the payments.
So I need some input. I'm planning on replacing my 1070 with something newer. Up until Navi hit I thought I was going to get a 2060 Super but as it turns out they're super expensive compared to a Navi. The 5700XT is cheaper and faster, and these blower style cards can almost keep pace with 2070 Super, so the AIB's with the limits removed -should- be able to keep up. My one problem is I have this monitor. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg Great monitor, but it's Gsync. I don't know if I'll miss that or not, considering you need it for the more taxing games with a slower card. Since most everything will be running around 60 min FPS anyway, conventional Vsync might be enough. What do you guys think?
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So I need some input. I'm planning on replacing my 1070 with something newer. Up until Navi hit I thought I was going to get a 2060 Super but as it turns out they're super expensive compared to a Navi. The 5700XT is cheaper and faster, and these blower style cards can almost keep pace with 2070 Super, so the AIB's with the limits removed -should- be able to keep up. My one problem is I have this monitor. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg Great monitor, but it's Gsync. I don't know if I'll miss that or not, considering you need it for the more taxing games with a slower card. Since most everything will be running around 60 min FPS anyway, conventional Vsync might be enough. What do you guys think?
waste to have spent extra on a gsync monitor and then not use it.
everybody who has one has told me that gsync is far more benefitial than regular vsync but sadly I have no experience with it.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
So I need some input. I'm planning on replacing my 1070 with something newer. Up until Navi hit I thought I was going to get a 2060 Super but as it turns out they're super expensive compared to a Navi. The 5700XT is cheaper and faster, and these blower style cards can almost keep pace with 2070 Super, so the AIB's with the limits removed -should- be able to keep up. My one problem is I have this monitor. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg Great monitor, but it's Gsync. I don't know if I'll miss that or not, considering you need it for the more taxing games with a slower card. Since most everything will be running around 60 min FPS anyway, conventional Vsync might be enough. What do you guys think?
So I need some input. I'm planning on replacing my 1070 with something newer. Up until Navi hit I thought I was going to get a 2060 Super but as it turns out they're super expensive compared to a Navi. The 5700XT is cheaper and faster, and these blower style cards can almost keep pace with 2070 Super, so the AIB's with the limits removed -should- be able to keep up. My one problem is I have this monitor. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg Great monitor, but it's Gsync. I don't know if I'll miss that or not, considering you need it for the more taxing games with a slower card. Since most everything will be running around 60 min FPS anyway, conventional Vsync might be enough. What do you guys think?
That's nice, but it's another $400+ I wasn't planning on spending. My plan is get something more future proof in an AIB 5700 XT or if the prices come down a 2060/2070 Super this year and then the refined Ryzen 4600X or higher next year and sit on that system for a good while.
This is what I have now.
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H115i PRO 55.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX X470-F Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB Video Card
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase MC500P ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: LG - WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer
Monitor: Dell - S2417DG 23.8" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor
Keyboard: Corsair - K70 RGB MK.2 Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech - G602 Wireless Optical Mouse
Headphones: SteelSeries - Arctis 7 Headset
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
I think you might be better off with an Nvidia card in this instance. I've heard GSync does wonderful things even on higher frame rates.
I think you might be better off with an Nvidia card in this instance. I've heard GSync does wonderful things even on higher frame rates.
Problem is that the 2060 Super I'd get with tax is around $470 and it is weaker than the 5700xt, whereas the 2070 Super I'd get is around $590 not even including the tax. So I either overpay for less or -really- overpay for a bit more than the 5700xt in power.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
I think you might be better off with an Nvidia card in this instance. I've heard GSync does wonderful things even on higher frame rates.
Problem is that the 2060 Super I'd get with tax is around $470 and it is weaker than the 5700xt, whereas the 2070 Super I'd get is around $590 not even including the tax. So I either overpay for less or -really- overpay for a bit more than the 5700xt in power.
why don't you just look to get a regular 2070 on sale, same performance (if not a smidge better) than a 2060super and i'm seeing articles about how they are on sale right now.
(alternatively, do you actaully have to upgrade from your 1070 or do you just want to? might be worth holding out)
I think you might be better off with an Nvidia card in this instance. I've heard GSync does wonderful things even on higher frame rates.
Problem is that the 2060 Super I'd get with tax is around $470 and it is weaker than the 5700xt, whereas the 2070 Super I'd get is around $590 not even including the tax. So I either overpay for less or -really- overpay for a bit more than the 5700xt in power.
why don't you just look to get a regular 2070 on sale, same performance (if not a smidge better) than a 2060super and i'm seeing articles about how they are on sale right now.
(alternatively, do you actaully have to upgrade from your 1070 or do you just want to? might be worth holding out)
Well, at least for what I'm playing now I don't need to upgrade, but a 1070 at 1440p maxed on the stuff I'll play as a whittle down the backlog will need some more power. The min framerates will drop into the 40's or so, where with a new card it's 60-70's in most things. I still have 3 new Tomb Raiders, Witcher 2 and 3, Arkham Knight usually need more power from some of the poor optimizations. GTA V could always use a better card when I only have a 2600X (even though it's running 4.25Ghz), Just Cause 3.....stuff like that.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
It's a "shame" you're at 1440 and 1080, it seems kinda soon for you to upgrade from a 1070 but I guess that's what happens with the higher rez screens
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Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
Just spend $5k on a pair of RTX Titans and play everything at 4k 120 fps, no worries!
I dug some old hardware out a while ago and set up a FreeNAS box (S775 rig; so it needed a GPU to start up). I still have that box sitting in a corner, but due to my current physical configuration at home, it's no longer connected to the network. I'm trying to fix that.
In the meantime, I'm wondering if I could find a 2200G + mobo + RAM for cheap, used, that I could make work instead. I don't have a whole lot of faith in the S775 rig being a solid longer term solution (plus the $5 cooler I bought for it is a bit loud.....yeah I know, you get what you pay for, but a Thermalright Ultra is WAY overkill for something headless like this).
I don't use Plex or anything similar. My intent was to set up dump folders/drive on the home network, while also consolidating PiHole and local backups. All of that I can do with the plethora of older drives I have sitting on my desk.
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That_GuyI don't wanna be that guyRegistered Userregular
Those are my two front-runners for my new system build (.....next year probably)
Caveat: I don't want or need a tempered glass side panel
I had an older Corsair Carbide case of my last build. I'm a big fan of Corsair stuff in general. I've never really had occasion to build in a Meshify case so I can't really speak to their quality.
I may grab one of the 240mm Corsair coolers and hold onto it for my next build. The ~$100 for them is still steep to me, even though it's a best-ever price.
Welp Amazon has 8TB WD Red NAS drives for $156 and 6TB for $139. Neither of those is really within my budget right now, but between the cash I have on me that I can deposit, some Japanese Yen I still have yet to get changed into US currency, and my stock of Amazon points I think I can make it work.
If I buy an X470 motherboard (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C57Q1XH/?tag=pcpapi-20&th=1), will I need to update the BIOS before I can actually use the 3700X? Will that linked motherboard be able to do that update without another Ryzen to plug in first?
If I buy an X470 motherboard (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C57Q1XH/?tag=pcpapi-20&th=1), will I need to update the BIOS before I can actually use the 3700X? Will that linked motherboard be able to do that update without another Ryzen to plug in first?
It depends on when the motherboard was sent out but it would be safe to assume yes. The ASUS x470 prime I bought ~late June needed an update for sure.
wonder when amd is gonna restock, did they think their supply would last months or something?
Blame the Intel security problems, demand from the server level is higher and eating a lot of chiplets, or so I gather as folks try and replace Xeons that have lost 30 percent or upwards in perf.
Edit: it's worth noting about that Navi overclock that that game really favors Team Green... take that into account.
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If I buy an X470 motherboard (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C57Q1XH/?tag=pcpapi-20&th=1), will I need to update the BIOS before I can actually use the 3700X? Will that linked motherboard be able to do that update without another Ryzen to plug in first?
It depends on when the motherboard was sent out but it would be safe to assume yes. The ASUS x470 prime I bought ~late June needed an update for sure.
@mightyjongyo did you have an older Ryzen that you were able to plug in to update the BIOS? Or were you able to do it without a CPU?
Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, but I've never updated BIOS before and don't want to get stuck because I don't have a compatible CPU.
If I buy an X470 motherboard (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C57Q1XH/?tag=pcpapi-20&th=1), will I need to update the BIOS before I can actually use the 3700X? Will that linked motherboard be able to do that update without another Ryzen to plug in first?
It depends on when the motherboard was sent out but it would be safe to assume yes. The ASUS x470 prime I bought ~late June needed an update for sure.
@mightyjongyo did you have an older Ryzen that you were able to plug in to update the BIOS? Or were you able to do it without a CPU?
Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, but I've never updated BIOS before and don't want to get stuck because I don't have a compatible CPU.
It's all good! Unfortunately, you still need a cpu for it to boot to BIOS. I bought a 200GE off amazon to do it.
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It took like 36 hours of parity checking but my NAS expansion is finally complete:
Now in another 2 years hopefully they drop in price again and I finally add a 4th!
So I sold my old parts for $220 and have a bite on my gtx 1070 for $300.
I'm thinking of going with the 5700 xt because the extra $200 for nvidia super cards just doesn't seem worth.
I am considering just getting a reference card. Is that a terrible decision?
I probably shouldn't have posted my current card so early but was nervous the used prices would tank.
Wait for the AIBs, not least so that any early driver fuckery is dealt with; the capability of Navi is likely a pretty good sign that RTG is climbing out of the hole but they still haven't fully recovered.
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Edit: though I am running an i5-4690 right now, so it would be a massive leap regardless.
I'm sitting on an i5-3570K right now, so it sounds like we're in more or less the same place for "it's time to upgrade, I'm willing to spend $bux, but I don't want a lot of hassle".
I have enough hassle at work, I just want my shit at home to work.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ccyjwu/3900x_aorus_master_32gb2x16gb_bdie_3600mhz_cl14/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd6vh9/ryzen_3000_high_cpu_power_behavior_at_3600mhz/
Looks like overclocking memory to 3600 or higher alone may be causing the 3900x to switch to a higher voltage draw which ends up limiting how high the cores can boost by themselves.
In addition a known issue with some monitoring tools or running multiple at same time actually causing idle voltages to be artificially inflated seems to add to the confusion going around.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/
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PSN: IncindiumX
I do really want that 16 core 32 thread though.... gahhhhh
waste to have spent extra on a gsync monitor and then not use it.
everybody who has one has told me that gsync is far more benefitial than regular vsync but sadly I have no experience with it.
@übergeek how about a near equivalent Freesync version? 3 inches bigger but looks about the same in every other way.
That's nice, but it's another $400+ I wasn't planning on spending. My plan is get something more future proof in an AIB 5700 XT or if the prices come down a 2060/2070 Super this year and then the refined Ryzen 4600X or higher next year and sit on that system for a good while.
This is what I have now.
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H115i PRO 55.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX X470-F Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB Video Card
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase MC500P ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: LG - WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer
Monitor: Dell - S2417DG 23.8" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor
Keyboard: Corsair - K70 RGB MK.2 Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech - G602 Wireless Optical Mouse
Headphones: SteelSeries - Arctis 7 Headset
Problem is that the 2060 Super I'd get with tax is around $470 and it is weaker than the 5700xt, whereas the 2070 Super I'd get is around $590 not even including the tax. So I either overpay for less or -really- overpay for a bit more than the 5700xt in power.
why don't you just look to get a regular 2070 on sale, same performance (if not a smidge better) than a 2060super and i'm seeing articles about how they are on sale right now.
(alternatively, do you actaully have to upgrade from your 1070 or do you just want to? might be worth holding out)
Well, at least for what I'm playing now I don't need to upgrade, but a 1070 at 1440p maxed on the stuff I'll play as a whittle down the backlog will need some more power. The min framerates will drop into the 40's or so, where with a new card it's 60-70's in most things. I still have 3 new Tomb Raiders, Witcher 2 and 3, Arkham Knight usually need more power from some of the poor optimizations. GTA V could always use a better card when I only have a 2600X (even though it's running 4.25Ghz), Just Cause 3.....stuff like that.
Couldn’t turn down 1000 watts platinum for only $150.
Nintendo ID: Incindium
PSN: IncindiumX
Edit- apparently that's just the normal price now! I could have sworn I had an alert on this for drops
I dug some old hardware out a while ago and set up a FreeNAS box (S775 rig; so it needed a GPU to start up). I still have that box sitting in a corner, but due to my current physical configuration at home, it's no longer connected to the network. I'm trying to fix that.
In the meantime, I'm wondering if I could find a 2200G + mobo + RAM for cheap, used, that I could make work instead. I don't have a whole lot of faith in the S775 rig being a solid longer term solution (plus the $5 cooler I bought for it is a bit loud.....yeah I know, you get what you pay for, but a Thermalright Ultra is WAY overkill for something headless like this).
I don't use Plex or anything similar. My intent was to set up dump folders/drive on the home network, while also consolidating PiHole and local backups. All of that I can do with the plethora of older drives I have sitting on my desk.
Thoughts on the Carbide vs a Meshify?
Those are my two front-runners for my new system build (.....next year probably)
Caveat: I don't want or need a tempered glass side panel
I had an older Corsair Carbide case of my last build. I'm a big fan of Corsair stuff in general. I've never really had occasion to build in a Meshify case so I can't really speak to their quality.
...now for the rest of the build. Got a solid case, a cooler, and a power supply.
...those 1TB 970 nVME EVOs are looking pretty sexy at $170 too...
Similar boat, just haven't settled on a case yet. It's been a damn long time since I've done this so I need to read up on options.
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It depends on when the motherboard was sent out but it would be safe to assume yes. The ASUS x470 prime I bought ~late June needed an update for sure.
Blame the Intel security problems, demand from the server level is higher and eating a lot of chiplets, or so I gather as folks try and replace Xeons that have lost 30 percent or upwards in perf.
Edit: it's worth noting about that Navi overclock that that game really favors Team Green... take that into account.
@mightyjongyo did you have an older Ryzen that you were able to plug in to update the BIOS? Or were you able to do it without a CPU?
Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, but I've never updated BIOS before and don't want to get stuck because I don't have a compatible CPU.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bvfo57/list_of_b350_b450_x370_and_x470_motherboards_with/
It's all good! Unfortunately, you still need a cpu for it to boot to BIOS. I bought a 200GE off amazon to do it.
Now in another 2 years hopefully they drop in price again and I finally add a 4th!
I'm thinking of going with the 5700 xt because the extra $200 for nvidia super cards just doesn't seem worth.
I am considering just getting a reference card. Is that a terrible decision?
I probably shouldn't have posted my current card so early but was nervous the used prices would tank.
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Wait for the AIBs, not least so that any early driver fuckery is dealt with; the capability of Navi is likely a pretty good sign that RTG is climbing out of the hole but they still haven't fully recovered.
I would really, really try to hold off on the reference XT if you can.