Hey, if a mixed squad of 5 Deathwatch Vanguard Veterans and 5 Veterans split into combat squads, does the squad composed of 5 Veterans still get to fall back and shoot as if they had FLY?
Similar question, but for Bikers and charging with Veterans who are in the same kill team but not the same combat squad?
So with rules as written "A unit that contains Terminators/Bikers/Vanguard veterans..." can do their special ability. When you combat squad you produce two different squads. So if you combat squad a vet squad that is 5 normal vets and a fast squad with 2 bikes and two vanguards the vet squad cannot do any of the fall back shenanigans but the bike/vanguard squad can.
Combat squad states, "You can split a squad that contains 10 members or 6 for bikes/inceptors/aggressors before the game starts into two units." At that point the above would be in effect and you would have two units and unless you have say a vanguard vet in that vet squad it can't fall back and shoot.
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What does happen though is those vanguard vets/bikers become come troops and do gain objective secured even if combat squaded.
Rotary cannons and missile pods are both widely available on eBay bits sites.
I was happy to hear this, but after intensive googling, I can only find one Onslaught cannon for $7 on eBay. And it's from Australia. I might as well go ahead and buy the better model and try to make some cool poses.
It's xmas wait a month or two weeks for places to restock
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Work finally began on my DI primaris last nigjt. Out of that box, I need the captain, 5 Intercessors, the 5 Hellblasters, the Inceptors and the ancient.
Then I need to buy an Aegis Defense Line, a Redemptor Dread, and a box of Reivers. That will let me field this list once I get the majority it assembled.
List:
++ Fortification Network (Imperium - Space Marines) ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
**Chapter Selection**: Imperial Fists
+ Fortification +
Aegis Defense Line
. Gun Emplacement: Icarus Lascannon
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
**Chapter Selection**: Imperial Fists
Relics of the Chapter (1CP)
+ HQ +
Captain in Gravis Armor: Boltstorm gauntlet, Master-crafted power sword, Storm of Fire, Warlord
Lieutenants
. Lieutenant: Master-crafted boltgun, Power sword
I still don't understand that No Force Org part of the list. And if I missed any point values, let me know and I'll edit them out. I went over it twice.
Quick question... if I'm going for maximised gunline, do I really need the Inceptors and Reivers or would they still be useful?
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Intecessors and Aggressors are more gun line as far as Primaris units go. Inceptors can toss out a ton of shots but they are more of an ambushing unit. I dropped the Inceptors from my gun line Ultramarine army.
Intecessors and Aggressors are more gun line as far as Primaris units go. Inceptors can toss out a ton of shots but they are more of an ambushing unit. I dropped the Inceptors from my gun line Ultramarine army.
How about dropping the Inceptors and going for a Vindicator or 2 Whirlwinds?
I could park them behind the gunline and drop fire on the enemy.
Edit: i could take out the Inceptors, add in two Whirlwinds and only be 2 points more than I was.
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Is it just me or have prices gone up at FW? I don't remember a Vulture gunship costing $106
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Something something Brexit something something everything went up by around 30% in the US and probably more in other territories.
Between the QA issues and massive price hikes I feel like the only people who are going to come out of the situation ahead are Chinese and Russian recasters.
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I'm worried if I take out my Inceptors, and drop in a Whirlwind or two, I'll be lacking in mobility. Perhaps a heavy bolter Razorback for the tac squad just in csse?
Assbacks are my favorite Marine vehicle. If you can spare the points throwing around that sort of dakka can be a lot of fun.
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So battlescribe put Thunderwolves storm shield back up to 10. Not sure why though.
Speaking of Razorbacks, I have 3 rhinos and 1 turret that is complete but extremely outdated and 1 that is half built that I can use to make two of the rhinos Razorbacks. Been thinking about just buying 3 Razorbacks so they are always Razorbacks or buying bits off of ebay so I can have good looking turrets. Ebay would be way cheaper and I doubt I'd ever need to run 3 rhinos and 3 Razorbacks at once.
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It’s not worth upgrading the gun on the defense line since it still only hits on 5’s.
Razorbacks should still have the las/play option, it’s just in the index. Still legal!
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It’s not worth upgrading the gun on the defense line since it still only hits on 5’s.
Razorbacks should still have the las/play option, it’s just in the index. Still legal!
I rhought the Icarus used the BS of the soldier firing it?
For those interested, here are the lists for my game with my bro (who has almost no experience with playing 40k).
Both lists are 1912 points (ok, one is 1912 and the other is 1911). It's just all the stuff I had assembled for both armies.
We will be playing an introduction game - without warlord traits, stratagems, legion traits etc. So two freeform armies. I try to cram many LOS blockers on the table, certainly nothing close to the US standard.
He'll be playing the CSM, so if you think the CSM list is weaker, please let me know - and if you have ideas on how to truncate the lists to make them even - please do (I also have very little experience with 40k and I don't want him to have a bad time with an uneven game).
If you both have little to no experience playing 40K I would have gone with something much smaller, like a 500pt game on a 4x4 board or something. This would let you guys get the flow of the game down before jumping in to a full size 2k point game.
At any rate though, take lots of pictures and let us know how the game went. Every once in a while in my local meta we get someone new and their first game is always exciting.
So battlescribe put Thunderwolves storm shield back up to 10. Not sure why though
This is because stormsheilds didn’t drop in points for thunderwolves. They have a seperate entry for shield costs in the space wolf codex and they didn’t change it. It’s probably an oversight but RAW they don’t get it.
So battlescribe put Thunderwolves storm shield back up to 10. Not sure why though
This is because stormsheilds didn’t drop in points for thunderwolves. They have a seperate entry for shield costs in the space wolf codex and they didn’t change it. It’s probably an oversight but RAW they don’t get it.
My guess they may FAQ a few things for typos/missed things. But I am guessing Thunderwolves might keep Character SS points because they are basically characters in stats.
It’s a decade of releases being kept back by bad leadership. They just finally uncorked the vaults and it all spewed out.
I'm pretty sure stuff's going to slow down in 2019, most of the past year - for 40k at least - has been fuelled by Codex releases. Now that those are nearly finished the schedule isn't going to be nearly as packed, although on the plus side the releases should be a bit more exciting and sound like they're going to be applying to multiple factions at once.
Off the top of my head my guesses are:
Slaanesh/Emperor's Children releases-This is hinted at a lot by GW. More Slaanesh models and rules for AoS and probably a joint release for 40k.
Abbadon and Vigilus Invaded-We also know this is coming in 80's days from the video the Warmaster is coming. I am excited for this. The new noise marine has gotten my hopes up.
More Orks I think. Ghaz deserves more from his fluff.
Maybe more stuff like the Crimson Fist supplement if it does well. That opens a ton of neat rules.
It’s a decade of releases being kept back by bad leadership. They just finally uncorked the vaults and it all spewed out.
I'm pretty sure stuff's going to slow down in 2019, most of the past year - for 40k at least - has been fuelled by Codex releases. Now that those are nearly finished the schedule isn't going to be nearly as packed, although on the plus side the releases should be a bit more exciting and sound like they're going to be applying to multiple factions at once.
Off the top of my head my guesses are:
Slaanesh/Emperor's Children releases-This is hinted at a lot by GW. More Slaanesh models and rules for AoS and probably a joint release for 40k.
Abbadon and Vigilus Invaded-We also know this is coming in 80's days from the video the Warmaster is coming. I am excited for this. The new noise marine has gotten my hopes up.
More Orks I think. Ghaz deserves more from his fluff.
Maybe more stuff like the Crimson Fist supplement if it does well. That opens a ton of neat rules.
I can see these, yeah. I'd also love for there to be a Ynnari release of some kind alongside the Slaanesh one, if for no other reason than I really want the Ynnari to get fixed holy shit
It’s a decade of releases being kept back by bad leadership. They just finally uncorked the vaults and it all spewed out.
I'm pretty sure stuff's going to slow down in 2019, most of the past year - for 40k at least - has been fuelled by Codex releases. Now that those are nearly finished the schedule isn't going to be nearly as packed, although on the plus side the releases should be a bit more exciting and sound like they're going to be applying to multiple factions at once.
Off the top of my head my guesses are:
Slaanesh/Emperor's Children releases-This is hinted at a lot by GW. More Slaanesh models and rules for AoS and probably a joint release for 40k.
Abbadon and Vigilus Invaded-We also know this is coming in 80's days from the video the Warmaster is coming. I am excited for this. The new noise marine has gotten my hopes up.
More Orks I think. Ghaz deserves more from his fluff.
Maybe more stuff like the Crimson Fist supplement if it does well. That opens a ton of neat rules.
I can see these, yeah. I'd also love for there to be a Ynnari release of some kind alongside the Slaanesh one, if for no other reason than I really want the Ynnari to get fixed holy shit
Ynnari with Slaanesh would make a lot of sense. Guilliman is tied to the Ynnari and we know that Fulgrim has already sent a message. And the god the Ynnari worship is to counter balance Slaanesh. So it makes a lot of sense to me.
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More Orks I think. Ghaz deserves more from his fluff.
Agreed. I wish there was more sign of War of the Beast-tier developments among the orks. I wonder if an entirely new ork faction would be at all feasible? I guess it would be hard to represent an 'Attack Planet' on the tabletop, but some fancier things done with gravity-based weaponry or advanced psionics would be nice.
Been playing a lot of 1000 point games since CA 2018 has come out and it's amazing how much stronger Necron feel in that point range. I've mentioned it before, but they felt stronger at lower point totals anyways, and now with the point drop?
I fielded (approximately, not at home) -
35 Warriors
5-6 Immortals (depending on list)
Triarch Stalker
Imotekh
Cryptek as Warlord with Veil and the warlord trait to make them immune to morale if in 3 inches
Approximately 150 points of rotating stuff, can't decide on what I want for it. Tried Doom Scythe last time.
It usually kills enough so that the enemy runs out of gas and can't finish off the Warrior blob(s) and reanimation protocol brings 'em back. Last game against Eldar, I killed most of their -2 to hit Dark Reapers after IWBD'ng both Warrior groups and Imotekh's Lord of the Storm to get a guaranteed wound to allow Methodical Destruction to kick in for the remaining shooters.
I'm unsure if that even works, as the stratagem says unsaved wound, but they had a Feel No Pain due to Ynnari shenanigans and failed, soooo.....
Triarch Stalker has been aces every time and survived three Dark Reaper hits with Quantum shielding rolls of 1, 1, and a 2.
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Over the holidays when I visit my family I always bring some models to paint with my brother, but this holiday I brought his girlfriend and my sister into the fold with a Slaanesh starter set and harlequins respectively. The GF got way into it and went through the entire process herself with occasional directions from me and now has 5/10 of her daemonettes fully painted. My sister on the other hand clipped out about half a model before calling uncle, or more appropriately “big brother”. So I’ll be painting those for the next few weeks (of course she’d pick the most complicated paint scheme in the game).
So I’ll be painting those for the next few weeks (of course she’d pick the most complicated paint scheme in the game).
Harlequins don't have to be complicated, to be fair. I couldn't be fucked with painting diamonds and chequers so I went for a paint scheme based on the Reaper's Mirth one and they still look pretty good.
She likes the teal and purple diamonds on the back of the box. The fact that they’re crazy space elf-jesters, or that a diamond pattern could be painted on anything else are both secondary concerns for her.
Feel no pains aren’t saves, so afaik if a wound gets stopped by that it still counts as as unsaved wound.
My bigger question was if a mortal wound from Lord of the Storm counts as an unsaved wound since you can't save against it, though, to activate the stratagem Methodical Destruction.
That is correct.
Also I'm jealous of a well-performing Stalker, I think I'm gonna have to play with stratagems on my next game just to boost it
Stratagems don't help it, sadly, but you just have to go into it with the proper mindset of what it's there for. The massive points drop for it gives the Necrons a Dreadnought equivalent that the enemy does not want to waste lascannon shots on that has its own short range lascannons or flamethrower. The quantum shielding is hilarious on its own since in the game I described above, it avoided nine damage through really lucky quantum shielding rolls in one turn.
The buff it gave the rest of the army was nice, though. Yes, all my shots at the enemy dark reapers will be re-rolling 1's, thank you.
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any wound, regardless of it it allows saves, that was not saved against is considered an unsaved wound
even if you ignore it via FNP
it's a dumb counter-intuitive thing, but it's the raw and has only been partially clarified
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I bought a box of Grey Knights at 50% since I've been kind of wanting them for KT. Got 10 models in there, anyone know a good way to build them?
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Don't forget that Methodical Destruction has been FAQ'd. It's now after a unit attacks, if the attacks resulted in the enemy unit losing one or more wounds. No more Unsaved Wounds stuff, so it definitely has to actually inflict damage now. The new question is whether Imotek is attacking when he uses his storm ability.
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Don't forget that Methodical Destruction has been FAQ'd. It's now after a unit attacks, if the attacks resulted in the enemy unit losing one or more wounds. No more Unsaved Wounds stuff, so it definitely has to actually inflict damage now. The new question is whether Imotek is attacking when he uses his storm ability.
Hah.
Common sense says he is attacking, and yet, I pause due to having played 40k for a bit now and realizing that means nothing.
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Browsing around the internet I can't seem to find clarification on a rule... If a deathwatch warlord uses a beacon of angelis to teleport an intercessor squad containing aggressors to his position, do the aggressors count as having moved for the purposes of firing twice?
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THANK you. I thought it seemed too OP.
It's xmas wait a month or two weeks for places to restock
Quick question... if I'm going for maximised gunline, do I really need the Inceptors and Reivers or would they still be useful?
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Damn, that dude is $35 alone. I actually bought one off ebay for $20 before they announced the stand alone release.
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How about dropping the Inceptors and going for a Vindicator or 2 Whirlwinds?
I could park them behind the gunline and drop fire on the enemy.
Edit: i could take out the Inceptors, add in two Whirlwinds and only be 2 points more than I was.
Didn't the base price of stuff go up because of the improvements to shipping?
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
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Between the QA issues and massive price hikes I feel like the only people who are going to come out of the situation ahead are Chinese and Russian recasters.
Speaking of Razorbacks, I have 3 rhinos and 1 turret that is complete but extremely outdated and 1 that is half built that I can use to make two of the rhinos Razorbacks. Been thinking about just buying 3 Razorbacks so they are always Razorbacks or buying bits off of ebay so I can have good looking turrets. Ebay would be way cheaper and I doubt I'd ever need to run 3 rhinos and 3 Razorbacks at once.
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Ooooh, that would be cool.
I was thinking heavy bolter to possibly benefit from bolter drill, but assault cannons would be neat.
If I take an Wegis Defense Line, should I go ahead and take the Icarus Lascannon emplacement? Is it still a no-brainer?
That would nicely give me the remaining points I need.
Alternately, is it worth paying the extra points for the Whirlwind Vengeance Launcher or can I just go with the Castelan Launcher?
Geez, Razorbacks can't have lascannon and plasmagun turrets anymore? That stinks. I guess FE will be dropping those soon.
Razorbacks should still have the las/play option, it’s just in the index. Still legal!
I rhought the Icarus used the BS of the soldier firing it?
Both lists are 1912 points (ok, one is 1912 and the other is 1911). It's just all the stuff I had assembled for both armies.
We will be playing an introduction game - without warlord traits, stratagems, legion traits etc. So two freeform armies. I try to cram many LOS blockers on the table, certainly nothing close to the US standard.
1 GUO 285
1 Daemon Prince 146
1 sword 10
1 talons 0
1 warp bolter 3
1 Lord in Terminator 95
1 power maul 4
1 combi bolter 2
10 CSM 130
1 power fist 9
1 combi-melta 15
1 heavy bolter 10
1 meltagun 14
1 icon of flame 5
10 plaguebearers 70
10 plaguesword 10
1 helbrute 60
1 reaper autocannon 10
1 missile launcher 20
4 terminators 112
3 combibolters 6
1 power sword 4
3 power fist 27
1 reaper autocannon 10
5 havocs 65
4 lascannons 100
1 combimelta 15
2 obliterators 130
1 chaos land raider 200
1 vindicator 125
1 predator 90
1 twin lascannon 40
2 heavy bolter 20
1 rhino 70
Necrons
1 overlord 84
1 staff of light 10
1 resurrection orb 35
1 cryptek 70
1 staff of light 10
1 chronometron 15
3 wraiths 144
3 vicious claws 0
3 particle caster 12
3 destroyers 90
3 gauss cannon 60
1 doom scythe 150
3 tomb blades 42
6 gauss blasters 42
3 shieldvanes 9
3 nebuloscopes 6
5 praetorians 80
5 rod of convenant 50
1 monolith 320
20 necron warriors 220
5 immortals 95
5 tesla carbines 35
9 canoptek scarabs 117
1 triarch stalker 85
1 twin heavy gauss cannon 40
1 canoptek spyder 65
2 particle beamer 20
1 fabricator claw array 5
He'll be playing the CSM, so if you think the CSM list is weaker, please let me know - and if you have ideas on how to truncate the lists to make them even - please do (I also have very little experience with 40k and I don't want him to have a bad time with an uneven game).
At any rate though, take lots of pictures and let us know how the game went. Every once in a while in my local meta we get someone new and their first game is always exciting.
This is because stormsheilds didn’t drop in points for thunderwolves. They have a seperate entry for shield costs in the space wolf codex and they didn’t change it. It’s probably an oversight but RAW they don’t get it.
My guess they may FAQ a few things for typos/missed things. But I am guessing Thunderwolves might keep Character SS points because they are basically characters in stats.
Off the top of my head my guesses are:
Slaanesh/Emperor's Children releases-This is hinted at a lot by GW. More Slaanesh models and rules for AoS and probably a joint release for 40k.
Abbadon and Vigilus Invaded-We also know this is coming in 80's days from the video the Warmaster is coming. I am excited for this. The new noise marine has gotten my hopes up.
More Orks I think. Ghaz deserves more from his fluff.
Maybe more stuff like the Crimson Fist supplement if it does well. That opens a ton of neat rules.
I can see these, yeah. I'd also love for there to be a Ynnari release of some kind alongside the Slaanesh one, if for no other reason than I really want the Ynnari to get fixed holy shit
Ynnari with Slaanesh would make a lot of sense. Guilliman is tied to the Ynnari and we know that Fulgrim has already sent a message. And the god the Ynnari worship is to counter balance Slaanesh. So it makes a lot of sense to me.
Agreed. I wish there was more sign of War of the Beast-tier developments among the orks. I wonder if an entirely new ork faction would be at all feasible? I guess it would be hard to represent an 'Attack Planet' on the tabletop, but some fancier things done with gravity-based weaponry or advanced psionics would be nice.
I fielded (approximately, not at home) -
35 Warriors
5-6 Immortals (depending on list)
Triarch Stalker
Imotekh
Cryptek as Warlord with Veil and the warlord trait to make them immune to morale if in 3 inches
Approximately 150 points of rotating stuff, can't decide on what I want for it. Tried Doom Scythe last time.
It usually kills enough so that the enemy runs out of gas and can't finish off the Warrior blob(s) and reanimation protocol brings 'em back. Last game against Eldar, I killed most of their -2 to hit Dark Reapers after IWBD'ng both Warrior groups and Imotekh's Lord of the Storm to get a guaranteed wound to allow Methodical Destruction to kick in for the remaining shooters.
I'm unsure if that even works, as the stratagem says unsaved wound, but they had a Feel No Pain due to Ynnari shenanigans and failed, soooo.....
Triarch Stalker has been aces every time and survived three Dark Reaper hits with Quantum shielding rolls of 1, 1, and a 2.
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Harlequins don't have to be complicated, to be fair. I couldn't be fucked with painting diamonds and chequers so I went for a paint scheme based on the Reaper's Mirth one and they still look pretty good.
Also I'm jealous of a well-performing Stalker, I think I'm gonna have to play with stratagems on my next game just to boost it
Stratagems don't help it, sadly, but you just have to go into it with the proper mindset of what it's there for. The massive points drop for it gives the Necrons a Dreadnought equivalent that the enemy does not want to waste lascannon shots on that has its own short range lascannons or flamethrower. The quantum shielding is hilarious on its own since in the game I described above, it avoided nine damage through really lucky quantum shielding rolls in one turn.
The buff it gave the rest of the army was nice, though. Yes, all my shots at the enemy dark reapers will be re-rolling 1's, thank you.
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even if you ignore it via FNP
it's a dumb counter-intuitive thing, but it's the raw and has only been partially clarified
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Hah.
Common sense says he is attacking, and yet, I pause due to having played 40k for a bit now and realizing that means nothing.
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