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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] My Better Brexit Deal Goes To Another School
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Remember this the next time someone tries to deny that brexit isn't about racism.
It is, but I'd say it's even more about xenophobia. We don't care about their skin colour so much as we care that they're foreign.
Take the shopkeepers from League of Gentlemen, and that's pretty much it.
This cannot be true as the deal on the table ends freedom of movement.
I frankly don't care about petty distinctions. Racism dressed up nicely and behaving itself for the cameras can call itself xenophobia if it likes. When the outcome is the same I don't care about the name.
It's not a nicer name, it's pointing out that race isn't specifically the issue - by calling it racism you miss a bunch of the other bigotry and give them a way out of arguing that it's not being done for the specific bigotted reason you've raised and is therefore entirely acceptable.
apparently there is a process for passing statutory instruments without the usual rigmarole that could be used to avoid this problem
https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/can-the-government-get-all-its-brexit-statutory-instruments-through
Right it's an important distinction, considering the rise in reported hate crimes against the Polish community or indeed anyone speaking a foreign language.
For example, this incident, where of course they also got the language and nationality wrong for added moron points.
www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-cambridgeshire-42706163
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-12/exclusive-uk-chief-brexit-negotiator-olly-robbins-warns-mps-the-choice-is-mays-deal-or-extension/
Just wait until everyone is cutting down every bit of shrubbery to burn in an old oil barrel on their front lawn.
Who is it racist & xenophobic to exactly?
Them! Pick someone!
Everybody and nobody? Doesn't matter who. Just need someone to blame. They ruined everything and when they are gone everything will be ok.
Unfortunately enough people are happy to go along with this.
Its a serious question.
Who is the group/ethnicity that Brexit voters are supposedly against? Them is rather a sweeping statement.
And Them is also a rather sweeping answer that happens to be true.
People will pick their own boogeymen, at least until recently in Ireland it was all Latvia/Poland/Romania that were the countries to blame, regardless of actual numbers of migrants coming in.
Edit: Why are you hung up on which specific race is being talked about in Bogart's post? It's all of them. Maybe you've not being paying attention to the whole Brexit thing until now.
This is probably the best definition.
I have friends or family who I suspect may have voted for Brexit (I haven’t asked, they haven’t said).
They’re all friends with people of many races and nationalities, so long as they are also long-term UK residents. They’re absolutely okay with anyone of any skin color and heritage so long as they’re not here on working arrangements with the EU.
I’ve not heard anything racist from their mouths, just generalized ‘grr people who work here and send their money back to mainland Europe’ complaints. That’s the ‘them’.
Them, as in Not Us.
Could be anyone, could Polish, could Latvian, could be Indian, Lebanese, could become Irish again after Brexit is done.
No, not that guy, i know him, he's a hard working upstanding people (who is about the get kicked out of the country, but whatever), but, you know, Them, all the other people from <insert place here>.
There is no answer who "They" are, because there is always a new group to be labeled "Them".
The possibility of Turkey joining the EU was raised multiple times by Brexit campaigners as a terrible, scary thing, because 70 million Turks would turn up the very next day expecting a white man's job, wife and home. Farage posed in front of pictures of refugees from Syria doing everything but making ooga booga noises, even though refugee policy had basically nothing to do with the EU, and up to that point (and since) the number of refugees from Syria the UK has accepted has been pitifully small. It wasn't an dark undercurrent to the campaign: racism was a central theme.
Control of our borders was one of the two central planks of the Leave campaign, precisely because the question of who was coming in and living here was so contentious among half the population. Foreigners who were coming over here to simultaneously skive on benefits and take our jobs were the over-riding moral panic of the referendum.
The original statement was about people's reason for voting and supporting Brexit, not about what actual effects Brexit would have on any particular foreign-born segment of the UK population, or what people of colour already living here would be affected. What Brexit actually turns out to be has little to do with the reasons people voted for it, though Theresa May has shown herself dutifully willing to be as hostile towards immigrants as the very worst people in the country would like.
Because all immigrants were automatically assumed to be going directly on social welfare, which made them plebs/chavs depending on your upbringing.
They were simultaneously coming over here and taking our jobs, at the same time as they were coming over here and sponging off the taxpayer.
Well to be fair, my partner did indeed manage to do just that!
She's an EU migrant who found a high skilled science job here and then claimed child benefit
*gasp*
Edit: More good news.
Nobody knows.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
lurking under all of this is, of course, britains generic problem with social class; isnt it mysterious how all these terribly confident brexiters tend to come from a certain background. the exception would be wetherspoons guy because we have a separate pigeonhole for him, but it is pretty grim. sometimes you gotta set all your cultural norms on fire
I feel this wasn't the innovative jam we were promised
he was so confused he actually confused bartels, because he ended up saying "it's all conditional on us getting an agreement" to which bartels, perplexed, said "i mean, of course..."
EDIT: for those wondering
Pretending that microorganisms don't exist because you've thrown the visual evidence of their presence in the bin seems well aligned with 21st century right wing thought.
Specially amongst people of an age
Steam: JazzMX5
Hopefully she'll continue to be able to obtain sufficient insulin to eat that jam.
Neal Stephenson