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  • soylenthsoylenth Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited January 2019
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Goblins can't be Monks either, despite having all of the animations for them implemented.

    can't buy enlightenment friend.

    my favorite thing about Goblin shamans, besides their totems, is that they somehow bribed the elements. I have no idea what kind of deal they made with the light though. Also, I just realized recently they and gnomes can tame mechanical beasts by default, which is rad. Goblins: great race or greatest race?

    soylenth on
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  • soylenthsoylenth Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited January 2019
    I too am mad about the delay on allied races. Not that I don't have enough to do ... it just seems cheap on their part. Although ongoing technical problems regarding the druid forms makes sense and is hilarious to me. I also think the allied races tend to look VERY good, especially compared to their template races. Mag'har orcs look better than green orcs to me, same with void elves, blood elves. The allied races also look like they have higher polygon counts than their counterparts, although I might be imagining that.

    My only problem is, unlocking the allied races is so damn tedious by the time I do it, I'm kind of burned out and want to do anything else. So I'm on the fence about re-subbing next month because of all the BS and, but I just got exalted with Proudmore and I'm about 3k away from zandalari exalted horde side so I might stick around and see what they look like.

    Or I might just unsub and come back when the new races AND pathfinder part 2 are out because I am just about done hoofing it on foot. Stop taking the sky from me blizz.

    Realistically, if Anthem is ANY good, I'll probably drop everything to fly mech suits around for a bit.

    soylenth on
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    soylenth wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I have no idea why it's really taking them this long to release the races.

    Just like.. give them away.

    Stop adding things you need to do to get them to ensure you're properly involved in the game. Why do games have to not be fun to get to the parts you want to play?

    this drives me crazy in modern gaming. It's a total con by developers trying to pad out content and people eat it up like suffering is our lot in life.

    I always dive back to wrath, all the tank classes had little uniquy things different about them that made them each unique and fun and slightly different. Then it all went away because I guess it was too much work for them. So everyone became warriors lite with their shield wall mechanics and shield slam/block mechanics.

    I don't get why everything has to be a skinner box. Skinner box is fine for like the really upper echelon of shit but like why can't games just be fucking fun? Why the fuck can't I just be able to tank a bajillion bad guys at once in a raid why does trash have to be challenging or anything even?

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    So everyone became warriors lite with their shield wall mechanics and shield slam/block mechanics

    This is outright untrue and I'm not sure where you got this impression? Paladins are the only tank remotely similar to warriors.

    Bucketman
  • soylenthsoylenth Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    My favorite thing in FF14 are trials, because it's just "boop here's a boss have fun!"

    I mean, I didn't mind needing to CC things back in the day, but plowing through trash makes you feel powerful. I feel like they eased back on the bosses a little too much and tweaked the trash up too much. I'd rather a challenging boss and breezing through the trash pulls. I like killing things, but I don't like groups disbanding over bad trash pulls. It's a fine balance.

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  • Coconut MonkeyCoconut Monkey Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    So everyone became warriors lite with their shield wall mechanics and shield slam/block mechanics

    This is outright untrue and I'm not sure where you got this impression? Paladins are the only tank remotely similar to warriors.

    Yeah I'm not seeing this either. Granted, my max level hands-on experience is solely with monk and paladin tanking, but from what I've seen and dabbled with on the lower level BDK/warrior alts they're all very different in how they do things.

    Just on the cooldown side of things, on my paladin I've got a nice pile of them to turn to (BoAK, AD, bubble taunt talent, wings+trinket, LoH), and on my monk I have a grand total of one, maybe two if you count ring of peace-the-fuck-out-and-give-the-healer-a-break (of course monk has a completely different way of dealing with damage and that's aok it's just funny comparing numbers of ohshitbuttons).

    Bucketman
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    So everyone became warriors lite with their shield wall mechanics and shield slam/block mechanics

    This is outright untrue and I'm not sure where you got this impression? Paladins are the only tank remotely similar to warriors.

    you're rightish

    there's a bit of flavor text and slight differences

    thunderclap isn't death and decay isn't consecrate

    but there's all single target taunts

    there's all shield walls (even if they're not "shield" walls)

    and then there's the uncrushable high defense shield block mechanic (active mitigation) that's slightly different but still does roughly the same thing but just needs to be activated in a slightly different way regardless if it's sotr or deathstrike or what have you

    it's flavor text but they play relatively equivalently unlike, say, a dps class

    I really do mostly just miss the aoe taunt I guess, maybe that's what I really want

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    Aoe grip and double blood boil is basically aoe taunt.

    Also i was looking at the dazar alor gear and there really isnt anything i would call interesting, aside from maybe that trinket that you get crit and mastery from if you arent near other people, unless they also have the trinket. Not sure which of my characters i want to focus on this season/tier. Balancing raiding, m+, and pvp is such a nightmare with different trait and stat requirements for each. And doing that on multiple characters is a chore.

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    and then there's the uncrushable high defense shield block mechanic (active mitigation) that's slightly different but still does roughly the same thing but just needs to be activated in a slightly different way regardless if it's sotr or deathstrike or what have you

    idk, if your assertion is that a reactive self heal (Death strike), a damage delay mechanic (stagger), or a stacking always-up armor buff (ironfur) are essentially the same gameplay as a limited-uptime shield block then I don't really see how we can continue a discussion because that's verging on nonsensical.

    There is a lot of flaws in BfA tanking but variety between tanks is not one of them.

  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/aiw4wr/limit_just_factiontransferred_their_roster_for/



    Limit faction transferred their entire roster in order to get the 400 ilvl war mode reward that Horde aren't getting.

  • SunrizeSunrize Registered User regular
    Can you help parse that for me, please? I clicked through to the Reddit thread and I just don't get what the advantage is.

    @Bowen: Prot Paladin has a talent that makes it so Divine Shield also has an 8 sec AOE taunt, although that's only once every 4-5 minutes.

  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    Basically in order to get Alliance to participate in war mode, Blizzard is giving them a 400 ilvl chest reward.

    A Horde PVE guild faction transferred so that they could all get a 400 ilvl piece before/as they start raiding Dazar'alor, and then get a leg up on the mythic race.

    As a bonus, their new guild name is "This game is bad"

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    edited January 2019
    Sunrize wrote: »
    Can you help parse that for me, please? I clicked through to the Reddit thread and I just don't get what the advantage is.

    The alliance received a quest this week to kill 25 or so Horde in world pvp, and their reward is a 400 ilvl item. Horde do not get this quest.

    Alliance are also getting the increased item level rewards(also 400) from the Darkshore warfront in the next warfront cycle(which should happen in the next day or two). Horde will not get the updated reward levels until their next zone control.

    As such, Limit has faction transferred their raid roster to Alliance in order to get a leg up on the gear levels for an advantage going into the world first Mythic race next week.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited January 2019
    That's a relatively context-less appraisal. The quest to kill 25 Horde in war mode has been around since 8.1 and is provided to whichever faction is outnumbered in war mode. It's not like Blizzard decided to just add a 400 ilvl quest solely to benefit Alliance this week specifically.

    The reason it's got such big press at the moment is that this is the first time that Alliance have been significantly incentivized to actually do it. It's Heroic raid equivalent item level, which was more or less useless being 370 when 8.1 came out since Heroic Uldir was old content, but now it's relevant since Heroic BoD is brand new.

    The Horde, having no such equivalent quest (since they're the dominant war mode faction) have no incentive to arrange organised resistance.

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Speaking of PvP, with the new season the Conquest bar reset with new rewards. If you need a weapon, this week’s bar gives a choice of 375 weapons.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    it's basically the same thing that happened when horde got weapons right before uldir prog started, or didn't have an ilvl requirement for warfronts for a week, or... lord knows however many other things

    sometimes the semi-randomly timed thing benefits you, other times the other guys

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Nobody wrote: »
    Basically in order to get Alliance to participate in war mode, Blizzard is giving them a 400 ilvl chest reward.

    A Horde PVE guild faction transferred so that they could all get a 400 ilvl piece before/as they start raiding Dazar'alor, and then get a leg up on the mythic race.

    As a bonus, their new guild name is "This game is bad"

    Because nothing emphasizes the need for blizzard to change like 40 people paying 60 dollars they wouldn't have otherwise as part of a "bad" game decision.

    Even with press looking at it, Blizzard raked in 3 months of subs or more for each of those people from that stupid war mode thing.

    ThawmusBucketmanBigity
  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Why would they transfer, to get a single piece that is equal to the level of content they can currently do, when Mythic isn't even out yet?

    Funny thing would be if they are also are banking on one next week, only their transfer kind of starts a thing and it isn't for Alliance anymore.

    Not gonna lie though, it was nice to get a 400 ilvl azerite piece with 5 rings before I could step foot in a raid.

    Also, the new raid is pretty damn cool.

  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    I'd love it if I could see a goddamn trinket sometime that was higher than 340.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    Kai_San wrote: »
    Why would they transfer, to get a single piece that is equal to the level of content they can currently do, when Mythic isn't even out yet?

    Normal was 355, Heroic 370, and Mythic 385 in Uldir. So 400 is above the ilevel that they were farming out of Mythic Uldir (discounting titan forging of course).

    Additionally, loot is random and having an entire raid of 20 people with a guaranteed ilevel 400 piece at the start of Mythic progression next Tuesday will certainly be a huge benefit.

    Given the way personal loot distribution works, they are likely to pick up 30(ish) pieces of gear across the entire guild this week when they clear Normal and Heroic. 30(ish) doesn't mean one piece per person. It means randomized distribution, with some people probably getting nothing.

    This is definitely huge.


    And yes, Blizzard might have just made a ton of short-hand cash from the transfer, but the bad PR and negative image this gives them, which is just perpetuating the negative opinion of this entire expansion, might end up doing more harm than good.

    Bucketman
  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    It also won't be a single piece of loot, it will be at least two - possibly three, maybe even four with extreme luck. Alliance begins their Darkshore some time this morning, which will reward an ilvl 400 item for the quest win. Once that completes, they will also have access to the Ivus world boss which has also been buffed to 400.

    Bucketman
  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Just to be clear, the reason this is crazy is that they don't intend to remain alliance. They will be transferring back to do mythic progression next week.

    Thawmus
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    It sort of hits home, I guess, to when I would be grumpy about corpse camping and ganking literally being a detriment to why I avoid pvp while I level even if the bonus xp was nearing 50%.

    If the bulk of you are playing horde then it's probably something you run across maybe once every few days. When I tried leveling on a pvp server it was once every few minutes. That bullshit quest line in redridge was a dumb fucking idea. Especially with sharding, you could somewhat combat this because it'd be much less likely to be someone on your server doing that shit, but to make the zones more lively it has definitely had a negative effect in re: ganking as an alliance player for sure.

    That's why warmode bonus XP is always maxed on my server whenever I look at it.

    Then when you're not warmoded people just /pvp and camp your quest givers. Bright fucking idea that was, they should've sharded them instantly to the warmode one.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I still think server sharding is the worst thing they have ever done to WoW.

    Not everyone (myself included) enjoys the multiplayer aspect of WoW. We only play it because it's the only Warcraft RPG that there is.

    I used to pick low pop servers specifically to reduce my player interactions and play in as much of an isolated manner as I could. Sharding ruined that.

    My general approach to all the thousands of people in my game world is ignoring them as much as I can. But sometimes ignoring them is not possible. Sometimes indifference and ignoring turns to hate and loathing. And pretty much never is there a good social interaction.

    The only good social interactions are the ones with the people I bring with me on adventures and intentionally play with (i.e. my friends).

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    That's part of why I stopped playing on a PvP server and eventually doing any PvP content at all in BfA. The skill level required to be competitive is pretty high, and the ramp to get decent for a new player sucks serious balls. In Legion is was tough but you could still win out with surprise and luck on your side. Now notsomuch.

    I got to pretty decent ranked back in my PvP heyday (Burning Crusade), but now those skills seem to be useless and most warmode encounters I've run into lead to my damaging moves doing inexplicably nothing while my opponents seem to pop me neigh instantly, even on type matchups where my hunter should roll pretty hard. Unless you are traveling in a party or already decent in the modern PvP endgame, BfA PvP feels like you turn on Warmode to give Horde players something to kill and yourself a headache.

    Which is strange, because during Legion I did PvP stuff a bunch and had a lot of fun still. Something about the talent changes and stat squish made it odd and unfun to play. Like a lot of things I guess.

    bowen
  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    My problem, even as Horde is that usually when I engage in Warmode PvP its not 1v1 or a group v a group. Its 20 people killing me and camping the area I died. Or the other way around.

    I've had a few cool moments. Last week for instance, some alliance came into the Horde area right outside the city where our PvP vendors are and starting attacking, so the about 6 of us went to defend but it was 10 of them vs of us, but with the NPCs on our side we eventually fought them back. It was tough and it was harrowing and it was fun!

    sadly, thats not been the norm but the exception.

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    I got my 25 kills last week entirely on 1v1 fights I found. Only a few times did I run into more than one and in one of them I even got someone.

  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    I tried it the first day, got fucking smashed and went "lol okay nope" and never turned warmode on again except to turn in a quest in goldshire because someone was killing npcs in the non-warmode shard

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  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    I have yet to turn War Mode on. I might turn it on for leveling my Nightborne Prot Warrior, but we'll see.

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  • SunrizeSunrize Registered User regular
    Okay cool, thanks for the explanations. The main thing being they are trying to hit a timing window, not that such item will never be available to Horde.

  • EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I have yet to turn War Mode on. I might turn it on for leveling my Nightborne Prot Warrior, but we'll see.

    If youre playing horde there really is no reason to turn it off. Its like a passive 10% reward buff. Ally has to work for it a bit more. Only reason i dont use it on my ally priest is because priest is just chum for all the melee sharks in war mode. Though ive been destroying people in bgs 1v1 so maybe ill dive in. Certainly if ilvl 400 gear is involved.

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  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I have yet to turn War Mode on. I might turn it on for leveling my Nightborne Prot Warrior, but we'll see.

    If youre playing horde there really is no reason to turn it off. Its like a passive 10% reward buff. Ally has to work for it a bit more. Only reason i dont use it on my ally priest is because priest is just chum for all the melee sharks in war mode. Though ive been destroying people in bgs 1v1 so maybe ill dive in. Certainly if ilvl 400 gear is involved.

    Wait, I thought it was just an XP buff, it buffs rewards, too?

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  • TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    The new raid is pretty great

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  • kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Most important single tip I can give for keybinds is to remember that you don't need turn keys bound, so you can take strafe off Q and E and free up two of the best keybind locations in the game.

    but keeping them bound lets you play with 1 hand when youre doing boring easy stuff and youre eating at your desk lol

    hehe yup this is pretty much me. I keep them bound for movement simply so I can take a call or do something with my right hand and still be able to play just using only my left hand.

  • kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Well thats disappointing. Because its the only thing holding me back from making a kul tiran survival hunter with a big anchor looking weapon and naming it some variation on Ward. The whole aesthetic can come together so close to ward from FF8.

    We’ll see if i end up even wanting to play wow in a few weeks. I basically spent the whole long weekend playing warframe. The time gating bullshit is just so tedious to go through on multiple characters. Like i dont want to clear 6 zones worth of wqs then grind island expeditions to try and catch up on AP because you basically stall in the high 20s and have to wait for the big AP rewards from weekly stuff to continue. Not to mention the slow scaling of azerite lootboxes makes getting 370 pieces from anything other than weekly chests kind of a pain.

    Yeah I'm noticing that once you have 340-345 gear that it's real hard to go further than that. I have one piece of gear that's 385 and I have no idea where I got it.

    Every time darkshore or arathi flips do the quest and you get higher and then as your ilevel improves the WQ and emmisary rewards improve. Prior to tuesday my emmisary stuff was dropping 370 azerite gear and now that will be higher yet. Basically as you get better gear you get offered even better gear so just keep going everything will get upgraded soon enough.

    Thawmus
  • kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    Honestly nothing about allied races makes any sense. Just a long series of baffling decisions.

    New races are a good selling point but cost a lot of art and work to get all the various armor to be usable for fully new player models. Allied races let them add some new flavors options while cutting the amount of rework they need to do. Basically just gives a small lore scenario and one armor set for a new "race" is pretty low hanging fruit. I think one reason the kul'tiran and zandalari got pushed is the kul'tiran are probably the most different allied race so far they don't really match anybody else and the zandalari druid forms still have some issues.

    Bucketman
  • kaidkaid Registered User regular
    soylenth wrote: »
    I too am mad about the delay on allied races. Not that I don't have enough to do ... it just seems cheap on their part. Although ongoing technical problems regarding the druid forms makes sense and is hilarious to me. I also think the allied races tend to look VERY good, especially compared to their template races. Mag'har orcs look better than green orcs to me, same with void elves, blood elves. The allied races also look like they have higher polygon counts than their counterparts, although I might be imagining that.

    My only problem is, unlocking the allied races is so damn tedious by the time I do it, I'm kind of burned out and want to do anything else. So I'm on the fence about re-subbing next month because of all the BS and, but I just got exalted with Proudmore and I'm about 3k away from zandalari exalted horde side so I might stick around and see what they look like.

    Or I might just unsub and come back when the new races AND pathfinder part 2 are out because I am just about done hoofing it on foot. Stop taking the sky from me blizz.

    Realistically, if Anthem is ANY good, I'll probably drop everything to fly mech suits around for a bit.

    The addition of the invasions helped the rep grind a lot. Doing an invasion is a crap ton of rep gain which makes unlocking stuff much less painful than just grinding tons of world quests. When I can do a batch of 5 every few days thats not too bad.

    Bigity
  • EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I have yet to turn War Mode on. I might turn it on for leveling my Nightborne Prot Warrior, but we'll see.

    If youre playing horde there really is no reason to turn it off. Its like a passive 10% reward buff. Ally has to work for it a bit more. Only reason i dont use it on my ally priest is because priest is just chum for all the melee sharks in war mode. Though ive been destroying people in bgs 1v1 so maybe ill dive in. Certainly if ilvl 400 gear is involved.

    Wait, I thought it was just an XP buff, it buffs rewards, too?

    At max level it gives a 10% bonus to gold, AP, and war resource rewards.

    ThawmusBucketman
  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Not bad, there was a Nazmir invasion going on and so I went out there and murdered a bunch of Horde to get Overwhelming Odds done. Got a 400 cloth belt for my troubles, which is nice since it was the Darkshore warfront set one too. Wanted that one to go with the chest I got for transmog purposes.

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  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    kaid wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Well thats disappointing. Because its the only thing holding me back from making a kul tiran survival hunter with a big anchor looking weapon and naming it some variation on Ward. The whole aesthetic can come together so close to ward from FF8.

    We’ll see if i end up even wanting to play wow in a few weeks. I basically spent the whole long weekend playing warframe. The time gating bullshit is just so tedious to go through on multiple characters. Like i dont want to clear 6 zones worth of wqs then grind island expeditions to try and catch up on AP because you basically stall in the high 20s and have to wait for the big AP rewards from weekly stuff to continue. Not to mention the slow scaling of azerite lootboxes makes getting 370 pieces from anything other than weekly chests kind of a pain.

    Yeah I'm noticing that once you have 340-345 gear that it's real hard to go further than that. I have one piece of gear that's 385 and I have no idea where I got it.

    Every time darkshore or arathi flips do the quest and you get higher and then as your ilevel improves the WQ and emmisary rewards improve. Prior to tuesday my emmisary stuff was dropping 370 azerite gear and now that will be higher yet. Basically as you get better gear you get offered even better gear so just keep going everything will get upgraded soon enough.

    Holy shit, this is really good to know!

    Sadly right now we're waiting on Alliance to flip both Arathi and Darkshore back to us. But I'll definitely prioritize this now.
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I have yet to turn War Mode on. I might turn it on for leveling my Nightborne Prot Warrior, but we'll see.

    If youre playing horde there really is no reason to turn it off. Its like a passive 10% reward buff. Ally has to work for it a bit more. Only reason i dont use it on my ally priest is because priest is just chum for all the melee sharks in war mode. Though ive been destroying people in bgs 1v1 so maybe ill dive in. Certainly if ilvl 400 gear is involved.

    Wait, I thought it was just an XP buff, it buffs rewards, too?

    At max level it gives a 10% bonus to gold, AP, and war resource rewards.

    Jeez, okay then, War Mode is getting turned on tonight.

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