I'm fully onboard with a full reboot and faction merge, the more changes the better. I think it makes total sense for both the story and the game. But I'm not optimistic that they would do anything so drastic. So much more tempting to just put out another continent with a 130 cap to keep the current players paying their monthly fee.
so is the idea that you'll just have this plethora of content available at 60 to keep people entertained? Because it sounds like a good idea actually.
M+ versions of molton core and bwl and doing it at level appropriate level... thought hey may have to rework it since we don't have shit like decursive anymore.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
I'd imagine they'll do it the easy way and just halve everything. So MC and BWL will be level 30.
They're never going to do another revamp. Part of why Cata stumbled so hard is because of the time spent updating the old world.
Now they may truncate the leveling experience, creating some new zones designed to streamline everything. Maybe the new zones in 9.0 scale back to level 1, but go all the way to cap. Say the cap is 70; half the new zones will get you to 60, and the other half gets you to 70. A 60 only has to do half the zones to get to 70, but for the whole story you'll wanna do every zone at some point.
Of course, the old zones will still exist for variety. By making the expansion's story more of a lull in the overarching plot (a la Vanilla or MoP) the zones can be a bit more long-term in their relevance with everything relegated to local threats instead of Doomsday Scenarios.
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I’m glad we are approaching expansion speculation time. That one of my favorite things about wow. Sometimes more than actually playing.
Ah yes, the guy who plotted in MoP to have one side win the faction war in order to unify the mortal races against an impeding Legion invasion and, when that failed, set into motion the events of WoD in order to save Azeroth from the Legion with an army from across timelines.
So it was only natural that in Legion he play...no role whatsover when the actual invasion occurs. I'm sure we can expect nothing but excellent writing from him in the future.
Ah yes, the guy who plotted in MoP to have one side win the faction war in order to unify the mortal races against an impeding Legion invasion and, when that failed, set into motion the events of WoD in order to save Azeroth from the Legion with an army from across timelines.
So it was only natural that in Legion he play...no role whatsover when the actual invasion occurs. I'm sure we can expect nothing but excellent writing from him in the future.
To be fair though, any time spent on him could potentially have been less time spent with Dadghar, so like... yeah in this instance I think I prefer the timeline we got.
My understanding regarding Wrathion was that they wrote him out of the story in a last-minute rewrite.
You know all that Ebonhorn stuff? That was supposed to be Wrathion.
You know Ebonhorn. The last remaining black dragon, brood of Neltharion? The one that lore-wise and canon-wise shouldn't exist because Wrathion is the last? Yeah. They really screwed the pooch with their lore when they wrote Ebonhorn into the story. But they thought he humanized the ancient history of Huln better than Wrathion would.
My understanding regarding Wrathion was that they wrote him out of the story in a last-minute rewrite.
You know all that Ebonhorn stuff? That was supposed to be Wrathion.
You know Ebonhorn. The last remaining black dragon, brood of Neltharion? The one that lore-wise and canon-wise shouldn't exist because Wrathion is the last? Yeah. They really screwed the pooch with their lore when they wrote Ebonhorn into the story. But they thought he humanized the ancient history of Huln better than Wrathion would.
At least Ebonhorn did serve a very important role.
He's canon proof that Wrathion does not mean that Black Dragons are dicks regardless of whether they're corrupted or not, Wrathion is just a dick.
To be fair, Wrathion is a literal child, so it's not surprising he panics at the first sign of danger and takes dramatic measures to handle it without thinking about the consequences.
And when his plans go awry he skulks away. In short, he's a styled himself as a mysterious chessmaster but lacks any of the experience or wisdom to properly pull that off.
ebonhorn is cool, wrathion is... not a character I know beyond seeing him sitting in that tavern on the mountain trail in pandaria, because I didn't play pandaria when it was current content
I'm fully onboard with a full reboot and faction merge, the more changes the better. I think it makes total sense for both the story and the game. But I'm not optimistic that they would do anything so drastic. So much more tempting to just put out another continent with a 130 cap to keep the current players paying their monthly fee.
It would still be easy to do a two faction thing one merged alliance faction and one refusers faction of those who just won't go along with it. That way you can have horde/alliance people on the same side to be easier for friends to group/raid together.
Does WoW only get 2 major content patches per expansion, or should we be expecting a .3 and .4 as well?
I suspect we will see a third major content patch for BFA I think wod was the only one that got 2. Everything is setup for a show down with n'zoth and we are not going to see that in 8.2.
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Does WoW only get 2 major content patches per expansion, or should we be expecting a .3 and .4 as well?
I suspect we will see a third major content patch for BFA I think wod was the only one that got 2. Everything is setup for a show down with n'zoth and we are not going to see that in 8.2.
Azshara in August/September for 8.2.5, then 8.3 in winter featuring...I dunno maybe Tirisfal as a Warfront and endgame zone like Darkshore? Then 8.3.5 featuring Totally Not Siege 2 raid in the late spring, and 9.0 patch in mid summer with the xpac in late august or early september.
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Yeah they'd have to gut too many systems to remove the split. I could see them giving you the option of transferring between factions independently of race though.
One less extreme way they could move away from the faction system would be to do something like this: it could be a third faction you can't start as, but can change to (via a questline), with the potential of using it as a stepping stone to then switch to the opposed faction. You'd still have Horde and Alliance and all the systems that depend on it unchanged, but people could be any race on any faction, and the pool of people you could group with for pve content becomes much wider via the third faction.
The level squish survey was absolutely real and widely discussed.
I searched for a source on this and it all appears to have come from one Reddit user, Nivens. Were there a lot of other people who came forward to confirm it? Because it's completely unbelievable to me that they would write a survey that literally announces a huge game overhaul to the public. That's not what surveys do. "Are you aware of this thing from the next expansion we've never announced? How do you feel about that?" Makes no sense. If they needed people's opinions about it they would have posed it as a hypothetical before deciding to do it.
I feel if they do a level squish do it at either 60 or 100
Bring back the talent trees the post cata system did solve the issue of the old talents but became a different mess
Really the story in BFA says to me they ran out of ideas
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The level squish survey was absolutely real and widely discussed.
I searched for a source on this and it all appears to have come from one Reddit user, Nivens. Were there a lot of other people who came forward to confirm it? Because it's completely unbelievable to me that they would write a survey that literally announces a huge game overhaul to the public. That's not what surveys do. "Are you aware of this thing from the next expansion we've never announced? How do you feel about that?" Makes no sense. If they needed people's opinions about it they would have posed it as a hypothetical before deciding to do it.
Ion has openly talked about it in developer Q&As. It's not a secret that it's something they're considering.
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This quest honestly feels like a dev used the most horrific grammar he could think of in a bet with a colleague to see how long it took someone to notice it
unfortunately it is also entirely possible that it's just incompetence
This quest honestly feels like a dev used the most horrific grammar he could think of in a bet with a colleague to see how long it took someone to notice it
unfortunately it is also entirely possible that it's just incompetence
I wonder if it's emphasized that way to show the mechagnomes are fucked up?
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
As much as I'd love to blow up the faction divide, that shit ain't happenin', Blizzard don't have the stones to try.
Now, giving the player the ability to give the faction war the double middle fingers and allow you to communicate, guilds, party and raid with the other side, that I could see. If you pvp together, it'll just do what it does already with the mercenary system and make non-faction-appropriate players appear faction appropriate.
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only after it's no longer cutting edge content, once the next raid tier is out I think
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If it's legit, it lends credence to the idea that some sort of overhaul is on the horizon.
A level squish AND a change to factions seems like a good start to some sort of soft reboot.
Once the hall of fame fills. BoD has been cross realm for a few months now.
I too got a super secret blizzard survey from my uncle who works at nintendo
M+ versions of molton core and bwl and doing it at level appropriate level... thought hey may have to rework it since we don't have shit like decursive anymore.
I'd kind of be disappointed in that a bit.
Now they may truncate the leveling experience, creating some new zones designed to streamline everything. Maybe the new zones in 9.0 scale back to level 1, but go all the way to cap. Say the cap is 70; half the new zones will get you to 60, and the other half gets you to 70. A 60 only has to do half the zones to get to 70, but for the whole story you'll wanna do every zone at some point.
Of course, the old zones will still exist for variety. By making the expansion's story more of a lull in the overarching plot (a la Vanilla or MoP) the zones can be a bit more long-term in their relevance with everything relegated to local threats instead of Doomsday Scenarios.
I’m glad we are approaching expansion speculation time. That one of my favorite things about wow. Sometimes more than actually playing.
And then it ends up being the leak that's true.
Unless they seriously deviate from past expansions, we will get an 8.3 which has the last raid tier.
Didn’t someone get bfas name right super early but everyone focused on the ashara angle.
So it was only natural that in Legion he play...no role whatsover when the actual invasion occurs. I'm sure we can expect nothing but excellent writing from him in the future.
To be fair though, any time spent on him could potentially have been less time spent with Dadghar, so like... yeah in this instance I think I prefer the timeline we got.
You know all that Ebonhorn stuff? That was supposed to be Wrathion.
You know Ebonhorn. The last remaining black dragon, brood of Neltharion? The one that lore-wise and canon-wise shouldn't exist because Wrathion is the last? Yeah. They really screwed the pooch with their lore when they wrote Ebonhorn into the story. But they thought he humanized the ancient history of Huln better than Wrathion would.
At least Ebonhorn did serve a very important role.
He's canon proof that Wrathion does not mean that Black Dragons are dicks regardless of whether they're corrupted or not, Wrathion is just a dick.
And when his plans go awry he skulks away. In short, he's a styled himself as a mysterious chessmaster but lacks any of the experience or wisdom to properly pull that off.
It would still be easy to do a two faction thing one merged alliance faction and one refusers faction of those who just won't go along with it. That way you can have horde/alliance people on the same side to be easier for friends to group/raid together.
I suspect we will see a third major content patch for BFA I think wod was the only one that got 2. Everything is setup for a show down with n'zoth and we are not going to see that in 8.2.
Sylvanas.
One less extreme way they could move away from the faction system would be to do something like this: it could be a third faction you can't start as, but can change to (via a questline), with the potential of using it as a stepping stone to then switch to the opposed faction. You'd still have Horde and Alliance and all the systems that depend on it unchanged, but people could be any race on any faction, and the pool of people you could group with for pve content becomes much wider via the third faction.
I searched for a source on this and it all appears to have come from one Reddit user, Nivens. Were there a lot of other people who came forward to confirm it? Because it's completely unbelievable to me that they would write a survey that literally announces a huge game overhaul to the public. That's not what surveys do. "Are you aware of this thing from the next expansion we've never announced? How do you feel about that?" Makes no sense. If they needed people's opinions about it they would have posed it as a hypothetical before deciding to do it.
Bring back the talent trees the post cata system did solve the issue of the old talents but became a different mess
Really the story in BFA says to me they ran out of ideas
Ion has openly talked about it in developer Q&As. It's not a secret that it's something they're considering.
unfortunately it is also entirely possible that it's just incompetence
I gotta wonder if there was even a point to that and not just make another heirloom-ish tab.
I wonder if it's emphasized that way to show the mechagnomes are fucked up?
Small gold sink + less UI effort + maybe more intuitive?
Now, giving the player the ability to give the faction war the double middle fingers and allow you to communicate, guilds, party and raid with the other side, that I could see. If you pvp together, it'll just do what it does already with the mercenary system and make non-faction-appropriate players appear faction appropriate.
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