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[Mueller Investigation] Too many things happening

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  • RollsavagerRollsavager Registered User regular
    Is there any reason to believe Nunes could or would redact/modify the memo before sending it to Mueller's team? The impression I get is that this isn't new information they're requesting--they've had access to the thing for a while, they're just asking for the equivalent of a notarized copy.

  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    I mean Nunes has been caught multiple times releasing made-up/meta memos.

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  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Mueller doesn’t have a lot of time to wrap this up before we get the holiday forum

    We'll need a separate holiday forum for the Trump threads.

    The holiday coal subforum.

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User, Moderator mod
    If I see a serious politics thread in the holiday forum I will remove it with extreme prejudice

    Let it be known *bangs gavel*

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Don't piss off the judge, y'all

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    If I see a serious politics thread in the holiday forum I will remove it with extreme prejudice

    Let it be known *bangs gavel*

    So instead of the "no open mic in the politics thread" it'll be "only open mic in the politics thread"?

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User, Moderator mod
    Jesus Christ no, no politics threads will be present

    Let's move on

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I kind of feel like so many suspicious operators being neck deep in shit for years makes me think Mueller's investigation should be the new norm.

    Like, get a new President? Okay the legal terminator department will be released to poke through all your shit, every time, as standard. Purging corruption is like cleaning your bathroom; best done regularly.

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  • VanguardVanguard Just float along and fill your lungs Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Petition to change the thread title to Too Many Crooks

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    It takes a lot to make a grift.

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  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Jesus Christ no, no politics threads will be present

    Let's move on

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  • JaysonFourJaysonFour Classy Monster Kitteh Registered User regular
    If Mueller is really on his game, I would expect him to request the transcripts from the House now, and then again after the new Congress is sworn in in January, just to see if Nunes decided to edit it- which I wouldn't put past him to do.

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  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot Registered User regular
    I need Nunes out of work and in a cell for any sense of justice to stay alive in my cold, black heart

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    JaysonFour wrote: »
    If Mueller is really on his game, I would expect him to request the transcripts from the House now, and then again after the new Congress is sworn in in January, just to see if Nunes decided to edit it- which I wouldn't put past him to do.

    I can see Schiff doing this regardless of what Mueller wants.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    JaysonFour wrote: »
    If Mueller is really on his game, I would expect him to request the transcripts from the House now, and then again after the new Congress is sworn in in January, just to see if Nunes decided to edit it- which I wouldn't put past him to do.

    I can see Schiff doing this regardless of what Mueller wants.

    I expect the incoming Congress to be working both in concert with Mueller and also independently for political hatchetry. This is one of those fun times when they can possibly do both at the same time.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    The DoJ has determined that Whitaker does not have to recuse himself. Because even though he stated if he was in charge of the investigation he'd sabotage it, that doesn't mean he really meant what he said.

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    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    The DoJ has determined that Whitaker does not have to recuse himself. Because even though he stated if he was in charge of the investigation he'd sabotage it, that doesn't mean he really meant what he said.

    Is this separate from the two lawsuits against him, one for his being in DoJ at all, and the other about him not superseding Rosenstein?

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    The DoJ has determined that Whitaker does not have to recuse himself. Because even though he stated if he was in charge of the investigation he'd sabotage it, that doesn't mean he really meant what he said.

    Is this separate from the two lawsuits against him, one for his being in DoJ at all, and the other about him not superseding Rosenstein?

    MSNBC just reported that this is just from the ethics office regarding whether or not he'd have to recuse himself.

    Artereis wrote: »
    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    The DoJ has determined that Whitaker does not have to recuse himself. Because even though he stated if he was in charge of the investigation he'd sabotage it, that doesn't mean he really meant what he said.

    Is this separate from the two lawsuits against him, one for his being in DoJ at all, and the other about him not superseding Rosenstein?

    MSNBC just reported that this is just from the ethics office regarding whether or not he'd have to recuse himself.

    Didn't a good portion of the ethics office resign because they were basically being ignored 100% of the time?

    I know the director did

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    The DoJ has determined that Whitaker does not have to recuse himself. Because even though he stated if he was in charge of the investigation he'd sabotage it, that doesn't mean he really meant what he said.

    Is this separate from the two lawsuits against him, one for his being in DoJ at all, and the other about him not superseding Rosenstein?

    MSNBC just reported that this is just from the ethics office regarding whether or not he'd have to recuse himself.

    Didn't a good portion of the ethics office resign because they were basically being ignored 100% of the time?

    I know the director did

    That was the White House ethics office.

    Artereis wrote: »
    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
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  • BSoBBSoB Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    The DoJ has determined that Whitaker does not have to recuse himself. Because even though he stated if he was in charge of the investigation he'd sabotage it, that doesn't mean he really meant what he said.

    Is this separate from the two lawsuits against him, one for his being in DoJ at all, and the other about him not superseding Rosenstein?

    MSNBC just reported that this is just from the ethics office regarding whether or not he'd have to recuse himself.

    Didn't a good portion of the ethics office resign because they were basically being ignored 100% of the time?

    I know the director did

    That was the White House ethics office.

    Man, if you though your job was a waste of time...


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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited December 2018
    It seems like a flaw in the system that the DOJ, to which Trump appoints the leadership, would get to decide whether or not it’s a conflict of another one of his appointees is in charge if an investigation into Donald Trump.

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie ATOMIKA! IT’S ME! IT’S DESKTOP HIPPIE!Registered User regular
    The House Intelligence Committee are releasing Roger Stone’s testimony to Mueller’s team, NBC reports.

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  • Senna1Senna1 Registered User regular
    edited December 2018
    Solar wrote: »
    I kind of feel like so many suspicious operators being neck deep in shit for years makes me think Mueller's investigation should be the new norm.

    Like, get a new President? Okay the legal terminator department will be released to poke through all your shit, every time, as standard. Purging corruption is like cleaning your bathroom; best done regularly.
    While good in theory, it would effectively be used by the GOP to destroy any/every (D) government that gets elected. Hell, IIRC more than one GOP congressperson has basically implied that this is a strategy they'll actually pursue, because it's been oh-so unfair to investigate Trump like this.

    This shit is not good for the country. What would be really nice is if the electorate wouldn't ignore obvious criminality/incompetence because *loud angry noises!*
    Marathon wrote: »
    It seems like a flaw in the system that the DOJ, to which Trump appoints the leadership, would get to decide whether or not it’s a conflict of another one of his appointees is in charge if an investigation into Donald Trump.
    These ethics offices are not composed of political appointees, and are career civil service people. I'm not saying there's NO possibility of a conflict of interest, but they're generally politically agnostic.

    Whitaker is not personally involved in any of the things being investigated at this point, so I'm not surprised he doesn't have to recuse himself. Being appointed by Trump isn't enough, as demonstrated by the fact that Rosenstein (a Trump appointee) has been overseeing it since the start.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    The DoJ has determined that Whitaker does not have to recuse himself. Because even though he stated if he was in charge of the investigation he'd sabotage it, that doesn't mean he really meant what he said.

    Is this separate from the two lawsuits against him, one for his being in DoJ at all, and the other about him not superseding Rosenstein?

    MSNBC just reported that this is just from the ethics office regarding whether or not he'd have to recuse himself.

    Didn't a good portion of the ethics office resign because they were basically being ignored 100% of the time?

    I know the director did

    That was the White House ethics office.

    oh! lots of ethics offices around for a bunch of politicians lol

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    It seems like a flaw in the system that the DOJ, to which Trump appoints the leadership, would get to decide whether or not it’s a conflict of another one of his appointees is in charge if an investigation into Donald Trump.

    Normally the president isn't engaged in multiple crimes before he has actually won the presidency, so I'd put this up there with "It seems like a flaw in the design of the car that it can't survive getting hit by a meteor the size of a fridge" in terms of flaws in concept.

    Going forward I would absolutely support a constitutional ammendment that executive appointees have to recuse themselves from policies that directly effect the person that appointed them though.

    Richy wrote: »
    But I think the resistance I’m getting more has to do with “rawr! Loklar said it! Rage!” than anything else.

    No, it has to do with the fact that you're done nothing but throw lies, blatant flasehoods, and downright dumb statements at us so far.
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  • QanamilQanamil Registered User regular
    Mueller related, from LA Times reporter. Series of tweets:
    BREAKING. senior DOJ official: Whitaker has not recused from Mueller probe. After extensive review by senior officials, he did not seek formal ruling from ethics office. BUT a senior doj ethics official said it was a "close call" and he should recuse in an "abundance of caution."

    In cases involving an appearance of conflict of interest -- versus a real conflict, like having once represented a defendant -- it is incumbent upon the official to seek an ethics recommendation.

    Because this was a "close call," senior appointed DOJ officials recommended to whitaker he not recuse. They noted no AG has ever recused for an "appearance" issue in the past. Whitaker yesterday accepted that recommendation.

    DOJ sending letter to Senate explaining Whitaker's decision.

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    I couldn't find a general Russia thread but this has to touch on Mueller in some capacity, right? With how knee-deep it's in Russia?



    The Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) is a key part of safeguarding financial databases and etc and apparently it was most likely compromised by Russians(!!!!!)

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    I couldn't find a general Russia thread but this has to touch on Mueller in some capacity, right? With how knee-deep it's in Russia?



    The Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) is a key part of safeguarding financial databases and etc and apparently it was most likely compromised by Russians(!!!!!)

    That's uh....not just compromised. We, the United States Government, were giving private citizen information to a foreign hostile government.

    That's

    beyond bad

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    I couldn't find a general Russia thread but this has to touch on Mueller in some capacity, right? With how knee-deep it's in Russia?



    The Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) is a key part of safeguarding financial databases and etc and apparently it was most likely compromised by Russians(!!!!!)

    That's uh....not just compromised. We, the United States Government, were giving private citizen information to a foreign hostile government.

    That's

    beyond bad

    That is at least espionage right? I know we can't say the T word but Jesus Benedict Arnold.

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  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    From the article, it sounds like FinCEN were the folks raising alarm bells about it.

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  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Qanamil wrote: »
    Mueller related, from LA Times reporter. Series of tweets:
    BREAKING. senior DOJ official: Whitaker has not recused from Mueller probe. After extensive review by senior officials, he did not seek formal ruling from ethics office. BUT a senior doj ethics official said it was a "close call" and he should recuse in an "abundance of caution."

    In cases involving an appearance of conflict of interest -- versus a real conflict, like having once represented a defendant -- it is incumbent upon the official to seek an ethics recommendation.

    Because this was a "close call," senior appointed DOJ officials recommended to whitaker he not recuse. They noted no AG has ever recused for an "appearance" issue in the past. Whitaker yesterday accepted that recommendation.

    DOJ sending letter to Senate explaining Whitaker's decision.


    Wait, was there a typo and a senior DOJ ethics official said he should or shouldn't recuse himself re:"abundance of caution"?

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    I couldn't find a general Russia thread but this has to touch on Mueller in some capacity, right? With how knee-deep it's in Russia?



    The Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) is a key part of safeguarding financial databases and etc and apparently it was most likely compromised by Russians(!!!!!)

    So I need to rethink the Deripaska sanctions developments now

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    I couldn't find a general Russia thread but this has to touch on Mueller in some capacity, right? With how knee-deep it's in Russia?



    The Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) is a key part of safeguarding financial databases and etc and apparently it was most likely compromised by Russians(!!!!!)

    So I need to rethink the Deripaska sanctions developments now

    This was 2 yrs ago to be clear

  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    Qanamil wrote: »
    Mueller related, from LA Times reporter. Series of tweets:
    BREAKING. senior DOJ official: Whitaker has not recused from Mueller probe. After extensive review by senior officials, he did not seek formal ruling from ethics office. BUT a senior doj ethics official said it was a "close call" and he should recuse in an "abundance of caution."

    In cases involving an appearance of conflict of interest -- versus a real conflict, like having once represented a defendant -- it is incumbent upon the official to seek an ethics recommendation.

    Because this was a "close call," senior appointed DOJ officials recommended to whitaker he not recuse. They noted no AG has ever recused for an "appearance" issue in the past. Whitaker yesterday accepted that recommendation.

    DOJ sending letter to Senate explaining Whitaker's decision.


    Wait, was there a typo and a senior DOJ ethics official said he should or shouldn't recuse himself re:"abundance of caution"?

    If I'm reading it right, it sounds like there's nothing glaringly obvious on their first glance to immediately force his recusal, but because it wasn't a "formal" review process, he's not 100% in the clear yet either. Hence they're saying he should still recuse himself to avoid the question entirely.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    Qanamil wrote: »
    Mueller related, from LA Times reporter. Series of tweets:
    BREAKING. senior DOJ official: Whitaker has not recused from Mueller probe. After extensive review by senior officials, he did not seek formal ruling from ethics office. BUT a senior doj ethics official said it was a "close call" and he should recuse in an "abundance of caution."

    In cases involving an appearance of conflict of interest -- versus a real conflict, like having once represented a defendant -- it is incumbent upon the official to seek an ethics recommendation.

    Because this was a "close call," senior appointed DOJ officials recommended to whitaker he not recuse. They noted no AG has ever recused for an "appearance" issue in the past. Whitaker yesterday accepted that recommendation.

    DOJ sending letter to Senate explaining Whitaker's decision.


    Wait, was there a typo and a senior DOJ ethics official said he should or shouldn't recuse himself re:"abundance of caution"?

    Senior DOJ officials said shouldn't.

    DOJ Ethics officials said "nobody asked us, it would be a close call, but we'd lean yes, recuse."

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    Qanamil wrote: »
    Mueller related, from LA Times reporter. Series of tweets:
    BREAKING. senior DOJ official: Whitaker has not recused from Mueller probe. After extensive review by senior officials, he did not seek formal ruling from ethics office. BUT a senior doj ethics official said it was a "close call" and he should recuse in an "abundance of caution."

    In cases involving an appearance of conflict of interest -- versus a real conflict, like having once represented a defendant -- it is incumbent upon the official to seek an ethics recommendation.

    Because this was a "close call," senior appointed DOJ officials recommended to whitaker he not recuse. They noted no AG has ever recused for an "appearance" issue in the past. Whitaker yesterday accepted that recommendation.

    DOJ sending letter to Senate explaining Whitaker's decision.


    Wait, was there a typo and a senior DOJ ethics official said he should or shouldn't recuse himself re:"abundance of caution"?

    Senior DOJ officials said shouldn't.

    DOJ Ethics officials said "nobody asked us, it would be a close call, but we'd lean yes, recuse."

    So basically, they called Whitaker and asked him if he thought he should recuse himself and he went "lolno"

    But then they asked real people and they said "what, yes"

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User, Moderator mod
    Eddy wrote: »
    I couldn't find a general Russia thread but this has to touch on Mueller in some capacity, right? With how knee-deep it's in Russia?



    The Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) is a key part of safeguarding financial databases and etc and apparently it was most likely compromised by Russians(!!!!!)

    Foreign policy thread I guess unless someone wants to start a thread specifically about this

    It's not Mueller related

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited December 2018
    yet.

    the singularity approaches.

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