Frieza gets another form upgrade, can only be matched by SSB Vegito/Gogeta, challenges Goku and Vegeta to fight him in a fusion. They are killed and Earth is enslaved and sold because Vegeta won't do the fusion dance in front of Frieza.
Do you think there's going to be at least one problem that gets solved by Broly learning to go Super Saiyan God only his version of it is basically Super Saiyan 4
It is so visually different than anything Toriyama was involved with and they have had 3 movies and 100+ episodes to reference GT at all and the closest we have gotten is...basically Pan existing?
It'd just be a shame if they spent a whole movie making Broly into one of the most compelling characters in the franchise and then didn't have him do anything but fade into the background
I hope he plays some role in stories going forward
They could have easily buried Broly a number of ways but instead chose to put him somewhere Goku could easily reach and set up a status quo where Goku regularly visits him. I don't think he will be forgotten.
Frieza needs to get something in the W column sometime soon. He's supposedly on a power level roughly equivalent to Goku or Vegeta but seems to mainly job at this point
Watching that clip they seem to have put him in the Worf role, where he's the strongest one there is, so the new super character destroys him to show how strong that character is.
I think they at least did him right having him hold out against Broly and not be at all worried he is still out there, but Frieza is very intelligent and it would've been nice to see him using some kind of tactics in that fight instead of just powering up.
Frieza is very intelligent until you for real piss him off and then he gets sloppy and just tries to blow up his problems.
Frieza needs to get something in the W column sometime soon. He's supposedly on a power level roughly equivalent to Goku or Vegeta but seems to mainly job at this point
Watching that clip they seem to have put him in the Worf role, where he's the strongest one there is, so the new super character destroys him to show how strong that character is.
I think they at least did him right having him hold out against Broly and not be at all worried he is still out there, but Frieza is very intelligent and it would've been nice to see him using some kind of tactics in that fight instead of just powering up.
Frieza is very intelligent until you for real piss him off and then he gets sloppy and just tries to blow up his problems.
Funny, Vegeta was like this a lot early on.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Literally every DBZ villain is like that.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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darunia106J-bob in gamesDeath MountainRegistered Userregular
Except Kid Buu.
He's pure destructive id with no ego to get in the way.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
He's pure destructive id with no ego to get in the way.
Super Buu is like that, though.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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darunia106J-bob in gamesDeath MountainRegistered Userregular
Yeah.
Kid Buu isn't Super Buu.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I consider them to be different forms of the same villain.
The thing I like about Kid Buu is that he’s dangerous because he just does not give a shit, not because he’s strong (he’s really weaker than Super Buu in fact)
But he also evolved from a story that was really, really long in the tooth by the time he popped up.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
It's a shame that we're likely not going to see SS4 in super because it happens to be my favorite form and what i heavily base my Xenoverse character on.
The SS4 form is one of my favorite things to come out of GT and this is coming from somebody who actually really enjoyed GT
Frieza and Broly movie stuff
When Broly is sent back to his old world and Frieza is stopped from blowing up Cheelai and Lemo's escape craft later on Frieza talks about how he's going to let them (Cheelai and Lemo) "Tame" Brolys savage mind and that he still has plans to use Broly in the future.
It's a shame that we're likely not going to see SS4 in super because it happens to be my favorite form and what i heavily base my Xenoverse character on.
The SS4 form is one of my favorite things to come out of GT and this is coming from somebody who actually really enjoyed GT
SS4 is good because it has a visual identity, which no other upgrade wince Super Saiyan The First has had in this series.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
It's a shame that we're likely not going to see SS4 in super because it happens to be my favorite form and what i heavily base my Xenoverse character on.
The SS4 form is one of my favorite things to come out of GT and this is coming from somebody who actually really enjoyed GT
SS4 is good because it has a visual identity, which no other upgrade wince Super Saiyan The First has had in this series.
Every form has a visual identity. SSJ2 has the least, since it’s just a bit spikier and with lightning, but it’s there. And SSJ3 has its dumb as rocks look. And then the god forms are all color coded.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
It's a shame that we're likely not going to see SS4 in super because it happens to be my favorite form and what i heavily base my Xenoverse character on.
The SS4 form is one of my favorite things to come out of GT and this is coming from somebody who actually really enjoyed GT
SS4 is good because it has a visual identity, which no other upgrade wince Super Saiyan The First has had in this series.
Every form has a visual identity. SSJ2 has the least, since it’s just a bit spikier and with lightning, but it’s there. And SSJ3 has its dumb as rocks look. And then the god forms are all color coded.
Tiny palette swap does not count as a visual identity. SSBlue is just the same drawing for SSaiyan but you change what crayon you use to color it, and SS2 is SSaiyan but you add lightning aftereffects.
I did consider SS3, admittedly. It probably does count, strictly speaking. It's just that since the main use of the form seems to be "too impractical to use in real matters", I wasn't sure how much should I count it.
SS3 has no eyebrows and Raditz-length hair, so it's at least trying to be unique.
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turtleantGunpla Dadis the best.Registered Userregular
They forget to draw SSJ2's visual differences constantly, is the thing.
Basically unless someone is explicitly calling out that they are using 2 to like show the badguy something it's a real crapshoot if the lightning sparks and slightly pointier hair will be present.
Given how Freeza's fight with Broly is actually framed—how his power-up physically pushes Broly back and that scene ends with him rushing Broly, then then ext cut goes into him starting to lose—I expect that, if the fight were more extended, we'd get a pretty long sequence of the big F fighting Broly blow-for-blow until Broly just keeps getting stronger and then starts to overwhelm him
At this point I think Freeza's probably stronger than either Vegeta or Goku by a pretty respectable margin, he just doesn't get to show that off in any way except for surviving an ass-whooping that would have killed either of them ten times over
They forget to draw SSJ2's visual differences constantly, is the thing.
Basically unless someone is explicitly calling out that they are using 2 to like show the badguy something it's a real crapshoot if the lightning sparks and slightly pointier hair will be present.
And sometimes someone is SS1 with just really spiky hair. The lightning is the only tell, really.
I originally thought that SSJ2 was the white-gold version of the hair and that SSJ1 was the actual yellow gold version.
And SS1 has been white-gold as well, like when Goku and Gohan master the form.
Gohan's been the only time you could easily tell the difference because they put the effort into changing his hairstyle.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
It re-colors the hair, but doesn't change the style if it, gives more cartoonish eyes and slims down the user
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turtleantGunpla Dadis the best.Registered Userregular
SSJ2 is extra confusing for new viewers because Vegeta spends most of that arc going on about how he's surpassed Super Saiyan when he hasn't because he's a moron.
The 4 "grades" of SSJ1 don't help
1 regular
2 Vegeta after time chamber, all muscled up, bigger power drain I think?
3 huge, useless Trunks.
4 Goku and Gohan after time chamber, pale yellow hair, no energy drain. Just better in every way basically.
i dunno i kinda like the idea that the cell saga is all about everyone desperately trying to break the super saiyan barrier and thinking they've done it only to realize that they haven't
but, yeah it would've had a lot better payoff if SSJ2 was more distinct
I mean technically they did succeed. They could have utterly destroyed Cell even with just ascended SSJ1 had Vegeta not pulled a Goku and let the villain power up.
SSJ2 is extra confusing for new viewers because Vegeta spends most of that arc going on about how he's surpassed Super Saiyan when he hasn't because he's a moron.
The 4 "grades" of SSJ1 don't help
1 regular
2 Vegeta after time chamber, all muscled up, bigger power drain I think?
3 huge, useless Trunks.
4 Goku and Gohan after time chamber, pale yellow hair, no energy drain. Just better in every way basically.
That's just on-brand for Vegeta, who claimed he was a super saiyan like 4 times during the frieza saga.
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turtleantGunpla Dadis the best.Registered Userregular
i dunno i kinda like the idea that the cell saga is all about everyone desperately trying to break the super saiyan barrier and thinking they've done it only to realize that they haven't
but, yeah it would've had a lot better payoff if SSJ2 was more distinct
Yeah, I mostly just mean it isn't communicated to the viewer very well.
I consider them to be different forms of the same villain.
The thing I like about Kid Buu is that he’s dangerous because he just does not give a shit, not because he’s strong (he’s really weaker than Super Buu in fact)
But he also evolved from a story that was really, really long in the tooth by the time he popped up.
Semantics! But yeah I totally get it.
I just really like Kid Buu as a final villain for the entirety of DBZ (not DB as a whole, just DBZ). Like you said through the entirety of DBZ every villain strat is hold them off or talk them into stalling for enough time so that the guy who can defeat them can show up in time. With Kid Buu there is no way to talk to him and the heroes can barely hold him off. The only option is fight him now or the universe is doomed.
Was Beerus GoD when Buu ate the Grand Kai? I have a hard time following Kai's as it seems they keep add extra tiers every the stakes need to go higher.
If Buu ate the Grand Kai then wouldn't there have been a different GoD since they're bonded?how come a GoD never hakai'd Buu over the millennia
Was Beerus GoD when Buu ate the Grand Kai? I have a hard time following Kai's as it seems they keep add extra tiers every the stakes need to go higher.
If Buu ate the Grand Kai then wouldn't there have been a different GoD since they're bonded?how come a GoD never hakai'd Buu over the millennia
Skimming the DB wiki, Buu's original summoning and sealing was five million years ago, and 70 million years before that Beerus sealed the Old Kai in the Z Sword. So he was definitely a God of Destruction at the time.
However, not all of the Supreme Kai died to Buu - only two, IIRC? They need to all get wasted for the GoD to die, I think.
(Or maybe Toriyama forgot that there are supposed to be four Supreme Kai per universe, I dunno.)
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It is so visually different than anything Toriyama was involved with and they have had 3 movies and 100+ episodes to reference GT at all and the closest we have gotten is...basically Pan existing?
It'd just be a shame if they spent a whole movie making Broly into one of the most compelling characters in the franchise and then didn't have him do anything but fade into the background
I hope he plays some role in stories going forward
The movie grossed triple what Battle of Gods and Resurrection F did in the US alone and was a gigantic success
Given how prominent Beerus became in Super itself and Frieza returning for the ToP, Broly showing up and joining the cast proper seems almost certain
Frieza is very intelligent until you for real piss him off and then he gets sloppy and just tries to blow up his problems.
Funny, Vegeta was like this a lot early on.
He's pure destructive id with no ego to get in the way.
Super Buu is like that, though.
Kid Buu isn't Super Buu.
The thing I like about Kid Buu is that he’s dangerous because he just does not give a shit, not because he’s strong (he’s really weaker than Super Buu in fact)
But he also evolved from a story that was really, really long in the tooth by the time he popped up.
The SS4 form is one of my favorite things to come out of GT and this is coming from somebody who actually really enjoyed GT
Frieza and Broly movie stuff
SS4 is good because it has a visual identity, which no other upgrade wince Super Saiyan The First has had in this series.
Every form has a visual identity. SSJ2 has the least, since it’s just a bit spikier and with lightning, but it’s there. And SSJ3 has its dumb as rocks look. And then the god forms are all color coded.
Tiny palette swap does not count as a visual identity. SSBlue is just the same drawing for SSaiyan but you change what crayon you use to color it, and SS2 is SSaiyan but you add lightning aftereffects.
I did consider SS3, admittedly. It probably does count, strictly speaking. It's just that since the main use of the form seems to be "too impractical to use in real matters", I wasn't sure how much should I count it.
Basically unless someone is explicitly calling out that they are using 2 to like show the badguy something it's a real crapshoot if the lightning sparks and slightly pointier hair will be present.
At this point I think Freeza's probably stronger than either Vegeta or Goku by a pretty respectable margin, he just doesn't get to show that off in any way except for surviving an ass-whooping that would have killed either of them ten times over
And sometimes someone is SS1 with just really spiky hair. The lightning is the only tell, really.
It doesn't really...DO anything
And SS1 has been white-gold as well, like when Goku and Gohan master the form.
Gohan's been the only time you could easily tell the difference because they put the effort into changing his hairstyle.
But it does.
It re-colors the hair, but doesn't change the style if it, gives more cartoonish eyes and slims down the user
The 4 "grades" of SSJ1 don't help
1 regular
2 Vegeta after time chamber, all muscled up, bigger power drain I think?
3 huge, useless Trunks.
4 Goku and Gohan after time chamber, pale yellow hair, no energy drain. Just better in every way basically.
but, yeah it would've had a lot better payoff if SSJ2 was more distinct
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That's just on-brand for Vegeta, who claimed he was a super saiyan like 4 times during the frieza saga.
Yeah, I mostly just mean it isn't communicated to the viewer very well.
Semantics! But yeah I totally get it.
I just really like Kid Buu as a final villain for the entirety of DBZ (not DB as a whole, just DBZ). Like you said through the entirety of DBZ every villain strat is hold them off or talk them into stalling for enough time so that the guy who can defeat them can show up in time. With Kid Buu there is no way to talk to him and the heroes can barely hold him off. The only option is fight him now or the universe is doomed.
If Buu ate the Grand Kai then wouldn't there have been a different GoD since they're bonded?how come a GoD never hakai'd Buu over the millennia
Skimming the DB wiki, Buu's original summoning and sealing was five million years ago, and 70 million years before that Beerus sealed the Old Kai in the Z Sword. So he was definitely a God of Destruction at the time.
However, not all of the Supreme Kai died to Buu - only two, IIRC? They need to all get wasted for the GoD to die, I think.
(Or maybe Toriyama forgot that there are supposed to be four Supreme Kai per universe, I dunno.)