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[Wargroove] The Advance Wars game we've waited 10 years for!

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Pailryder wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Ooof, finally hit a mission that's really giving me heartburn. 4-2. Anyone have suggestions on how to manage it?
    Heavensong getting a dragon at turn 6 is fucking rude as hell.

    edit: spoilered mission event
    just remember the basics, don't stand on roads, mages kill flyers (or a ballista but thats $$$), and your hero can take a lot of hits from even a dragon as long as not on a road
    My first instinct was to scatter and try and grab as much economy as possible, but that ended up leaving my mages and archers scattered during their push. I would have probably survived the initial assault minus that dragon. Just not really sure what to do differently besides obviously not trying to block them on the bridges. Maybe rush a trebuchet? AI seems to really aggressively avoid going in their range.

    do you just want to beat the level or are you going for S rank? If you want S rank i'd check a youtube video :(
    for just general beating it strategy.
    i took the second barracks as quick as i could. i pushed left and mid but not top that fast. I used my horse to kind of kill enemy units at the top right area but i didn't hurry to take that building. The computer reacts mostly to where your hero is. so i played with my hero in the middle of the map, using it to take hits and retreat to heal up. For building, i built pikeman and i then built a second wagon to transport people to the mid and bottom left as fast as possible. I pretty much built pikeman every turn until i could afford other things. I built one harpy (the 600 cost one), and i built one or two more mages, and one more archer. Later on i built trebuchets to take out the capitol building. I did not get an S rank but eventually just built up a tidal wave of pikeman backed up by my hero, archers, and trebuchets for the final push.

  • NaphtaliNaphtali Null Registered User regular
    Interesting. While I like pikemen I almost never bother using them, especially on larger maps simply because of their mediocre movement (and what must be my terrible logistics at using them).

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    two pikeman can kill anything below giants/commanders/flyers. So to me they are the most economical choice, along with wagons they are really really good.

  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    Pailryder wrote: »
    two pikeman can kill anything below giants/commanders/flyers. So to me they are the most economical choice, along with wagons they are really really good.

    A handful of pikemen scattered all around, plus one or two pikemen on wagons as support has been working very well for me. (I'm up to 5-1 now.) Whenever/whereever you need a critical hit, use a wagon to drop one pikeman immediately adjacent to where the attack will be, then move and attack with a second pikeman on foot.

    If that resulted in the attacking pikeman getting wounded, he goes on the wagon next turn and gets to be the supporter in the future. You only have to worry about harpies and dragons messing you up from the air.

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  • IvarIvar Registered User regular
    Are stars and the letter grade based on the same thing, or are they separate?

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Quantronic Dreamgirl Registered User regular
    Mass pikemen are also countered by trebuchet's with even a semi good screen due to their movement limitations.

  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I’ve found that enough pikemen counters trebuchets though.:p

    On maps with multiple barracks I’m pretty much building at least one pikeman per turn. Once they hit, which take a while, they will never stop coming. I use that to basically move a continuous frontline forward every turn. Using cavalry to get out and kill trebuchets and ballistas. I’ll sacrifice cavalry pretty often just to be able to move the line up.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Game Designer/Stay-at-home Dad Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I had to turn off the animations last night. Everything takes forever to resolve and the game moves at a snail's pace. Again, it could be because it's still early and the tutorial stuff is being laid on thick. Some questions:
    • Will I eventually get to merge units? Having low health dudes without the ability to heal/merge is frustrating since they are basically useless.
    • Is their a better unit for capturing buildings? Using foot soldiers and pikemen is not only slow, but they end up heavily damaged, which leads to the low health problem above.
    • Is it possible to readjust settings mid-match? I couldn't find an option.

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  • finalflight89finalflight89 Registered User regular
    You'll get new units soon that will also let you capture.

    There isn't combining units in Wargroove, but you can reinforce from a controlled location to transfer/heal health. Or use a mage which has a healing spell.

  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Game Designer/Stay-at-home Dad Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    You'll get new units soon that will also let you capture.

    There isn't combining units in Wargroove, but you can reinforce from a controlled location to transfer/heal health. Or use a mage which has a healing spell.

    I just did the reinforce mission, but didn't know about the Mage heal. Cool, maybe that will help out in longer games.

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    edited February 15
    i'm pretty eh on healing as it costs 300 gold so its usefulness is limited. Like, i can buy TWO pikeman for that much!
    • Will I eventually get to merge units? Having low health dudes without the ability to heal/merge is frustrating since they are basically useless.
    • Is their a better unit for capturing buildings? Using foot soldiers and pikemen is not only slow, but they end up heavily damaged, which leads to the low health problem above.
    • Is it possible to readjust settings mid-match? I couldn't find an option.
    1. never an option to merge, just use those low health guys to block key points or attack to do damage and kill them off
    2. there are several units that can capture: Soldiaer, Pikeman, Archer, Mage, and your Commander
    3. no that i know of

    Pailryder on
  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Quantronic Dreamgirl Registered User regular
    Mage is the fastest capture unit at 5 movement.

    But realistically the best way to make your boys faster is to put them in a wagon.

  • wonderpugwonderpug Registered User regular
    Pailryder wrote: »
    i'm pretty eh on healing as it costs 300 gold so its usefulness is limited. Like, i can buy TWO pikeman for that much!

    The mage heals four spaces though, doesn't it? I think it heals a straight 20% regardless of unit cost, so I imagine it's a lot more economical than a village heal if you catch one or two more expensive units in the heal radius.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Five spaces, even!

    The other advantage is not dropping the strength of a building and leaving it vulnerable, which is especially dangerous for production buildings

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Game Designer/Stay-at-home Dad Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    A couple more quick questions, this time regarding UI:

    As the maps get bigger, is there an option to move around quicker by holding a button?
    Is there going to be a dedicated button to show all the enemies attack range? Or at least a way to keep the attack ranges visible? I'm clearly spoiled by FE/AW UI stuff. :)

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    A couple more quick questions, this time regarding UI:

    As the maps get bigger, is there an option to move around quicker by holding a button?
    Is there going to be a dedicated button to show all the enemies attack range? Or at least a way to keep the attack ranges visible? I'm clearly spoiled by FE/AW UI stuff. :)

    no speeding around the map yet that i know of but i've never had too much trouble navigating just border scrolling.
    the devs have planned a lot of improvments, this one doesn't exist yet.

  • GlyphGryphGlyphGryph Registered User regular
    edited February 15
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    You'll get new units soon that will also let you capture.

    There isn't combining units in Wargroove, but you can reinforce from a controlled location to transfer/heal health. Or use a mage which has a healing spell.

    I just did the reinforce mission, but didn't know about the Mage heal. Cool, maybe that will help out in longer games.

    Mercia has an amazing healing spell and is who you control for most of the game. For most characters, low health dudes become obstacles to put in the path of enemies, but with Mercia you'll want to keep them around since she has a wide AoE heal that's really powerful. The mage heal is worse, and costs cash. Reinforcement is generally bad, because it costs so much money.

    Save low health units for your commander to kill, in general, but especially so for Mercia - turn their deaths into health for your own side!

    GlyphGryph on
  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Quantronic Dreamgirl Registered User regular
    Low health units can work as blockers, enable crits with pikemen (which is part of their effeciency, even after bad trades they still provide value) or be brought back up to strength pretty easily.

    It just all takes time, which is the most painful resource in this game in most missions.

  • TimFijiTimFiji Registered User regular
    Low health units can work as blockers, enable crits with pikemen (which is part of their effeciency, even after bad trades they still provide value) or be brought back up to strength pretty easily.

    It just all takes time, which is the most painful resource in this game in most missions.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    I'm kind of torn on the time requirement for rankings

    It pushes you into a certain play style, one which puts you at risk of failing the mission, which can be good but is also limited. It also isn't the way you should approach multiplayer, I think.

    I still play very conservatively and don't put units in threat range unless it's necessary or very useful

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Null Registered User regular
    I'm kind of torn on the time requirement for rankings

    It pushes you into a certain play style, one which puts you at risk of failing the mission, which can be good but is also limited. It also isn't the way you should approach multiplayer, I think.

    I still play very conservatively and don't put units in threat range unless it's necessary or very useful

    Because of that I stopped caring about rankings. Did I beat it? Good enough.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Game Designer/Stay-at-home Dad Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I tried messing around with the event editor today. Whipped up this little bit as an inside joke at a friend of mine.



    Pretty cool stuff you can do, but I'm not sure I have all the options unlocked. Or maybe I do, guess we'll see.

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  • EspantaPajaroEspantaPajaro Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    I'm kind of torn on the time requirement for rankings

    It pushes you into a certain play style, one which puts you at risk of failing the mission, which can be good but is also limited. It also isn't the way you should approach multiplayer, I think.

    I still play very conservatively and don't put units in threat range unless it's necessary or very useful

    Because of that I stopped caring about rankings. Did I beat it? Good enough.

    Apparently number of stars is the way you unlock secret commanders so I will eventually have to go max all of them.

  • TimFijiTimFiji Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    I'm kind of torn on the time requirement for rankings

    It pushes you into a certain play style, one which puts you at risk of failing the mission, which can be good but is also limited. It also isn't the way you should approach multiplayer, I think.

    I still play very conservatively and don't put units in threat range unless it's necessary or very useful

    Because of that I stopped caring about rankings. Did I beat it? Good enough.

    Apparently number of stars is the way you unlock secret commanders so I will eventually have to go max all of them.

    Oh fuck that dammit. Ugh. I haven't been caring but I guess I gotta now.

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  • EspantaPajaroEspantaPajaro Registered User regular
    So I went to verify and looked at the wiki and apparently it’s just one of them but you need that one to unlock codex entries through some super silly nonsense . Good news is that he is a joke character so you won’t need him unless you want 100 %

  • GlyphGryphGlyphGryph Registered User regular
    You also need 100 stars to play the last mission of the campaign.

  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    Pailryder wrote: »
    i'm pretty eh on healing as it costs 300 gold so its usefulness is limited. Like, i can buy TWO pikeman for that much!
    yeah but where is your barracks? mage heal provides immediate value while new units can be multiple turns away from combat. it also becomes cost effective when you are healing multiple more expensive units + you'll run into scenarios where you have more money than you spend in a turn
    harpoon ships seem really good, at least from playing 6-2 and having the enemy ships be really annoying. not prepared to do limited unit mission ; - ;

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  • WingedWeaselWingedWeasel Registered User regular
    edited February 17
    Only just discovered this thread. Played a bit of the campaign but real life has interfered so I haven't gotten far. I was watching some games on twitch and some tournaments. I do want to try multiplayer eventually, but is there really no turn timer limit? It sounded as though it was a feature on the developers roadmap but for obvious reasons without on games will last far too long. I can pause/save single player. Multihour multiplayer games aren't gonna work

    Edit: also I obviously was drawn in by the doggos. However while I do love asymmetric games when they have multiple races/species/factions I do appreciate that things seem to be just swapped. Sucker for any game where I can play non-humans

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  • NogginNoggin Registered User regular
    Ugghhhhgh 3-3
    I thought I had it this time, Nuru had taken the lower village, Mercia was almost to an escape wagon

    Nope... chomped by a dragon that flew completely around to the only free tile and killed her.

    That’s at least the third, maybe 4th failed attempt, at about an hour each with animations off. This game is no joke.

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    Noggin wrote: »
    Ugghhhhgh 3-3
    I thought I had it this time, Nuru had taken the lower village, Mercia was almost to an escape wagon

    Nope... chomped by a dragon that flew completely around to the only free tile and killed her.

    That’s at least the third, maybe 4th failed attempt, at about an hour each with animations off. This game is no joke.

    make sure you never put someone on a road when that pops up

  • NogginNoggin Registered User regular
    I didn’t think of that, but not sure it made a
    difference. She had low-ish hp from the previous turn because there was just way too much going on.

    I think I need to
    focus less on early back up and instead push much harder with Nuru. If I can secure that then that’s a decent amount of extra gold per turn and a clearer path to send reinforcements when it counts.

    Gonna give that a try. At least I should know much earlier if it’s not working.

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  • GlyphGryphGlyphGryph Registered User regular
    The problem with Harpoon ships is that they have absolutely garbage mobility. They move literally 1 space in storm conditions. Also, anything that gets close (especially merfolk) wrecks them pretty quick.

    Pailryder
  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    i'm in later act 5 but i think there's been maybe 1 or 2 maps where playing defensively was necessarily. The game really really wants the heroes to be aggressive, b, e, aggressive.

  • ArcsurvivorArcsurvivor CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    Some of the negative Steam reviews said it was like rock paper scissors. How would you rate the game?

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Quantronic Dreamgirl Registered User regular
    Some of the negative Steam reviews said it was like rock paper scissors. How would you rate the game?

    I mean, they're not wrong: This is a game about hard counters above all else.

    But there's a lot of game in producing the correct units, having them in the right place and not getting blown out by stepping too close to an opponent with a weaker unit.

    It's a very faithful spin on the Advance Wars set up so if you played those and liked them you'll like t his.

  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    edited February 18
    7-1 was entirely too fair for the storybeat it represented
    meanwhile 7-2 looks appropriately messed up

    P10 on
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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Rock paper scissors is not an accurate description of the game at all, imo

    There is a huge network of soft and hard counters between the variety of units, on top of different movement speeds and movement types, close or long ranged attacks, wildly different critical hit setups, and several active unit abilities, as well as terrain and buildings that dictate economy and production

    This isn't rock paper scissors so much as commanding an army of rocks, papers and scissors with subtypes in each category--naval scissors and flying papers and rocks that can heal other rocks.

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    edited February 19
    i'm kind of annoyed at act 6 mission 2
    it looks like it's going to be a slog fest fighting with your 3 commanders against the evil undead army. Turns out that you can buy dragons and their range plus damage means that if you just buy those and don't worry about anything else you can rush to the end of the map with the navy and flyers you have and beat the castle.

    Pailryder on
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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Null Registered User regular
    Finally beat 5-1... for whatever reason I just kept flubbing things, or the AI would behave weirdly.
    Couldn't save the dragons from the witch, but somehow managed to widdle away the army down near the fortress with a lucky groove from Koji, and then my lone giant chased Sedge across the entire map. Sheesh.

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited February 20
    Pailryder wrote: »
    i'm kind of annoyed at act 6 mission 2
    it looks like it's going to be a slog fest fighting with your 3 commanders against the evil undead army. Turns out that you can buy dragons and their range plus damage means that if you just buy those and don't worry about anything else you can rush to the end of the map with the navy and flyers you have and beat the castle.

    I realized that about a dozen turns in. "Wait, why am I doing this the slow way?"
    (It took that long for me to realize that I almost had more money than I could spend every turn, even with two barracks, two ports, and a tower.)

    Hedgethorn on
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