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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I saw Alita: Battle Angel last night.

    It was a lot of fun and the CG was amazing. Great performances mixed with an anime as fuck asthetic.

    While not high-art, it's probably the best live-action anime movie ever made, and I'm a big fan of how goofy Speed Racer is.

    It's a shame it's going to bomb super hard.

    Even with a mediocre presentation, it would've done a hell of a lot better without the horrendously off-putting mega-eyes on Alita. That alone was always going to make people laugh at the trailer and skip it; even as somebody who gets why they did it, it's an awful and distracting design decision, particularly when everybody else has normal eyes.

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    KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I saw Alita: Battle Angel last night.

    It was a lot of fun and the CG was amazing. Great performances mixed with an anime as fuck asthetic.

    While not high-art, it's probably the best live-action anime movie ever made, and I'm a big fan of how goofy Speed Racer is.

    It's a shame it's going to bomb super hard.

    I've been shitting on it because it looked stupid and generic but everyone is saying it's good and essentially Hansel and Gretel certified and now I feel like I should see it.
    shryke wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I saw Alita: Battle Angel last night.

    It was a lot of fun and the CG was amazing. Great performances mixed with an anime as fuck asthetic.

    While not high-art, it's probably the best live-action anime movie ever made, and I'm a big fan of how goofy Speed Racer is.

    It's a shame it's going to bomb super hard.

    I've been shitting on it because it looked stupid and generic but everyone is saying it's good and essentially Hansel and Gretel certified and now I feel like I should see it.

    /looks at RT

    It does not look like most people are saying it's good. It's barely scrapping 60%.
    Check the audience score

    Green Book has an even higher audience score of 94%.

    Babe, which is a goddamned classic, has an audience score of 67%.

    Audience scores suck.

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I saw Alita: Battle Angel last night.

    It was a lot of fun and the CG was amazing. Great performances mixed with an anime as fuck asthetic.

    While not high-art, it's probably the best live-action anime movie ever made, and I'm a big fan of how goofy Speed Racer is.

    It's a shame it's going to bomb super hard.

    Even with a mediocre presentation, it would've done a hell of a lot better without the horrendously off-putting mega-eyes on Alita. That alone was always going to make people laugh at the trailer and skip it; even as somebody who gets why they did it, it's an awful and distracting design decision, particularly when everybody else has normal eyes.
    While they were put in because Cameron wanted that "manga look" for Alita - there's actually a plot reason for why she has them and no one else does.

    Also, once you have started watching the movie and adjust to how she looks, it's fine.

    It's honestly a technical achievement how closely they look like real eyes up close and her CG skin is crazy - having a completely CG character (who is supposed to look human) interacting with actual actors and not looking insanely weird (it really does work) is a triumph.

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    Ketar wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I saw Alita: Battle Angel last night.

    It was a lot of fun and the CG was amazing. Great performances mixed with an anime as fuck asthetic.

    While not high-art, it's probably the best live-action anime movie ever made, and I'm a big fan of how goofy Speed Racer is.

    It's a shame it's going to bomb super hard.

    I've been shitting on it because it looked stupid and generic but everyone is saying it's good and essentially Hansel and Gretel certified and now I feel like I should see it.
    shryke wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I saw Alita: Battle Angel last night.

    It was a lot of fun and the CG was amazing. Great performances mixed with an anime as fuck asthetic.

    While not high-art, it's probably the best live-action anime movie ever made, and I'm a big fan of how goofy Speed Racer is.

    It's a shame it's going to bomb super hard.

    I've been shitting on it because it looked stupid and generic but everyone is saying it's good and essentially Hansel and Gretel certified and now I feel like I should see it.

    /looks at RT

    It does not look like most people are saying it's good. It's barely scrapping 60%.
    Check the audience score

    Green Book has an even higher audience score of 94%.

    Babe, which is a goddamned classic, has an audience score of 67%.

    Audience scores suck.
    While I do not want to be "that guy" - Texiken said most people, not most critics.

    And...60% is most critics anyway.

    Also, a lot of the rotten reviews have good things to say, but came up just shy of giving it a fresh rating.

    Looking at just a numbered metric devoid of nuance (which was your argument with babe and, I guess, Green Book - both a critical & popular darling) is not a great way to go about deciding quantity.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    Dizzy D wrote: »
    klemming wrote: »
    Patrick Stewart was a good Robin Hood.

    So was Rik Mayall.

    Woof!

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    Alita is okay for a live action adaptation of a manga, if you leave all the specific tags behind, its garbo, incredibly forgettable.

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    Hissssss

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    At this point and time I trust the audience score more than the critic score. It shouldn't be that way, it should be somewhere in the middle ideally or sync up (Goodfellas has 96 & 97, natch, best movie ever) but with all the Nerd Crews these days I feel I can't get an honest answer from critics, especially with blockbusters and action movies. I just keep being reminded of Dunkey's video about game critics which is pretty apt here too.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I saw Alita: Battle Angel last night.

    It was a lot of fun and the CG was amazing. Great performances mixed with an anime as fuck asthetic.

    While not high-art, it's probably the best live-action anime movie ever made, and I'm a big fan of how goofy Speed Racer is.

    It's a shame it's going to bomb super hard.

    Even with a mediocre presentation, it would've done a hell of a lot better without the horrendously off-putting mega-eyes on Alita. That alone was always going to make people laugh at the trailer and skip it; even as somebody who gets why they did it, it's an awful and distracting design decision, particularly when everybody else has normal eyes.
    While they were put in because Cameron wanted that "manga look" for Alita - there's actually a plot reason for why she has them and no one else does.

    Also, once you have started watching the movie and adjust to how she looks, it's fine.

    It's honestly a technical achievement how closely they look like real eyes up close and her CG skin is crazy - having a completely CG character (who is supposed to look human) interacting with actual actors and not looking insanely weird (it really does work) is a triumph.

    But that doesn't do any good when the instant kneejerk reaction from the vast majority of moviegoers is going to be "that character looks horrible", and then ignore the movie forever.

    I honestly don't give a shit that Cameron's justification is a vaguely artistic one to make her look more manga-like, because the entire rest of the visual setting is gritty realism. If that manga-ized style had applied to everyone, then maybe it could've worked out for the whole film. Instead, it's a character that sticks out hideously creepily on their own, and doubly so against the background of everybody else looking normal.

    Tossing a weak justification into the film won't fix the problem that the main character's design doesn't actually add to the movie, and instead is going to be terribly off-putting for most people.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    I mean yeah her look is weird

    But I'm still going to go see it.

    It looks like a fun romp and 3D vehicle. Whatever the manga is and whether it's a disservice to it is not something I really give a shit about.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    At this point and time I trust the audience score more than the critic score. It shouldn't be that way, it should be somewhere in the middle ideally or sync up (Goodfellas has 96 & 97, natch, best movie ever) but with all the Nerd Crews these days I feel I can't get an honest answer from critics, especially with blockbusters and action movies. I just keep being reminded of Dunkey's video about game critics which is pretty apt here too.

    It's pretty hilarious to complain about critics and instead go with the super easily gamed audience score.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Did people have bets in here on whether Alita was going to flop or succeed?

    Y'all acting like you've got money on the line with whether or not this movie does well.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Ketar wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I saw Alita: Battle Angel last night.

    It was a lot of fun and the CG was amazing. Great performances mixed with an anime as fuck asthetic.

    While not high-art, it's probably the best live-action anime movie ever made, and I'm a big fan of how goofy Speed Racer is.

    It's a shame it's going to bomb super hard.

    I've been shitting on it because it looked stupid and generic but everyone is saying it's good and essentially Hansel and Gretel certified and now I feel like I should see it.
    shryke wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I saw Alita: Battle Angel last night.

    It was a lot of fun and the CG was amazing. Great performances mixed with an anime as fuck asthetic.

    While not high-art, it's probably the best live-action anime movie ever made, and I'm a big fan of how goofy Speed Racer is.

    It's a shame it's going to bomb super hard.

    I've been shitting on it because it looked stupid and generic but everyone is saying it's good and essentially Hansel and Gretel certified and now I feel like I should see it.

    /looks at RT

    It does not look like most people are saying it's good. It's barely scrapping 60%.
    Check the audience score

    Green Book has an even higher audience score of 94%.

    Babe, which is a goddamned classic, has an audience score of 67%.

    Audience scores suck.
    While I do not want to be "that guy" - Texiken said most people, not most critics.

    And...60% is most critics anyway.

    Also, a lot of the rotten reviews have good things to say, but came up just shy of giving it a fresh rating.

    Looking at just a numbered metric devoid of nuance (which was your argument with babe and, I guess, Green Book - both a critical & popular darling) is not a great way to go about deciding quantity.

    60% is a terrible score. There's a reason the site lists anything 59% of below as rotten.

    You want to look at the scores with nuance, combine several different aggregators. Metacritic is giving it like 53% or something. So it's not even polarizing, it's just universal considered kinda bad.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    Now over half good reviews is universally bad?

    What even in the hell

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    I don't know that I would call the majority of these villains who have robotic bodies with faces slapped on, gigantic rocket hammers, and entire settings done in CG "gritty realism"

    Also, I understand you have made up your mind about the eyes, but if you haven't seen the film, can you actually say said eyes only have a weak justification?

    Also, I don't disagree with you about the negative reaction the general public has had about the eyes. Between her eyes and the fact that it seems like people just don't want to see cyberpunk-esque movies as they continue to fail at the box office more often than not, Alita will be a huge bomb.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Now over half good reviews is universally bad?

    What even in the hell

    RT has always worked this way and for good reason.

    Again, the cut-off line for being considered rotten is 59%. By the sites metrics, 60% is only not shit because of the margin of error.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Now over half good reviews is universally bad?

    What even in the hell

    RT has always worked this way and for good reason.

    Again, the cut-off line for being considered rotten is 59%. By the sites metrics, 60% is only not shit because of the margin of error.

    Nah.

    It means half the critics liked it. Which means there's a 50% chance you (the royal you) will also like it.

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    Did people have bets in here on whether Alita was going to flop or succeed?

    Y'all acting like you've got money on the line with whether or not this movie does well.
    People really hate the eyes.

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    AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    For the love of god, montressor, argue about whether the movie is good, not whether the movie’s arbitrary consensus numbers indicate that it is good or not

    Stop trying to quantify art quality, it’s madness

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Did people have bets in here on whether Alita was going to flop or succeed?

    Y'all acting like you've got money on the line with whether or not this movie does well.
    People really hate the eyes.

    I'm seeing that.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Even the synopsis states that fans of the genre will be "more than sufficiently entertained."

    Oh no what a horrible movie

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    Even the synopsis states that fans of the genre will be "more than sufficiently entertained."

    Oh no what a horrible movie
    Hence my original mini-review "high-art this is not, but it has good acting and is fun"

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    Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    I'm sure this will go over well on these forums, but maybe, just maybe, US audiences aren't clamoring for live action anime movies.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Even the synopsis states that fans of the genre will be "more than sufficiently entertained."

    Oh no what a horrible movie
    Hence my original mini-review "high-art this is not, but it has good acting and is fun"

    Which is why as of late I've diverged off of the aggregate review sites and just listen to a couple of trusted reviewers who I share tastes with.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    For the love of god, montressor, argue about whether the movie is good, not whether the movie’s arbitrary consensus numbers indicate that it is good or not

    Stop trying to quantify art quality, it’s madness

    The argument was over whether "most people liked it" so an aggregator is basically the only tool we have.

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    AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    For the love of god, montressor, argue about whether the movie is good, not whether the movie’s arbitrary consensus numbers indicate that it is good or not

    Stop trying to quantify art quality, it’s madness

    The argument was over whether "most people liked it" so an aggregator is basically the only tool we have.

    That argument is not a useful or interesting argument

    Did you like it is interesting

    Did everybody like it is only interesting for the investors

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    shryke wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    For the love of god, montressor, argue about whether the movie is good, not whether the movie’s arbitrary consensus numbers indicate that it is good or not

    Stop trying to quantify art quality, it’s madness

    The argument was over whether "most people liked it" so an aggregator is basically the only tool we have.
    But if that were the case, there's no arguing whether most people liked it! More than half of critics (most) AND the vast majority of audiences (most) liked it!

    Edit: aaaaaaaaaaaaa

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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
    I did read ArsTechnica's review of Alita, which said that was better than reviewer's bar of expectations. He was impressed enough to actually contemplate a sequel after leaving the theater, which is interesting:
    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/02/alita-battle-angel-rises-above-its-ugly-ads-flies-to-a-cloud-city-of-awesome/

    At the very least, it intrigues me. I probably won't see it in the theater (to be fair, I haven't caught many movies in the theater in the past year because of social stuff), but I might catch it on Netflix. Scuttlebutt from friends who saw it last night was that it was way better than they thought it was going to be. They were expecting "Ghost In The Shell" live action, but they thought it was better than that.

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    I did read ArsTechnica's review of Alita, which said that was better than reviewer's bar of expectations. He was impressed enough to actually contemplate a sequel after leaving the theater, which is interesting:
    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/02/alita-battle-angel-rises-above-its-ugly-ads-flies-to-a-cloud-city-of-awesome/

    At the very least, it intrigues me. I probably won't see it in the theater (to be fair, I haven't caught many movies in the theater in the past year because of social stuff), but I might catch it on Netflix. Scuttlebutt from friends who saw it last night was that it was way better than they thought it was going to be. They were expecting "Ghost In The Shell" live action, but they thought it was better than that.
    Ghost in the Shell was garbage. I fell asleep in the theater half way through.

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    PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    I did read ArsTechnica's review of Alita, which said that was better than reviewer's bar of expectations. He was impressed enough to actually contemplate a sequel after leaving the theater, which is interesting:
    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/02/alita-battle-angel-rises-above-its-ugly-ads-flies-to-a-cloud-city-of-awesome/

    At the very least, it intrigues me. I probably won't see it in the theater (to be fair, I haven't caught many movies in the theater in the past year because of social stuff), but I might catch it on Netflix. Scuttlebutt from friends who saw it last night was that it was way better than they thought it was going to be. They were expecting "Ghost In The Shell" live action, but they thought it was better than that.

    It's Robert Rodriguez and James Cameron getting together to adapt a manga that they've both loved and tried to get developed for it feels like decades now. I run hot and cold on both, but I'm definitely interested in seeing what seems like an idiosyncratic passion project for the pair.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    Astaereth wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    For the love of god, montressor, argue about whether the movie is good, not whether the movie’s arbitrary consensus numbers indicate that it is good or not

    Stop trying to quantify art quality, it’s madness

    The argument was over whether "most people liked it" so an aggregator is basically the only tool we have.

    That argument is not a useful or interesting argument

    Did you like it is interesting

    Did everybody like it is only interesting for the investors

    Nah, it's interesting for plenty of reasons. You see lots of interesting analysis on the varying trends on the business and taste side and how they influence the movie industry. Or we can look at the differing reactions to a film from critics to movie-goers to niche/enthusiast reviewers and so on.

    And of course, it's also useful in the context of question that comes before "Did I like this?" which is "Will I like this?".

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    For the love of god, montressor, argue about whether the movie is good, not whether the movie’s arbitrary consensus numbers indicate that it is good or not

    Stop trying to quantify art quality, it’s madness

    The argument was over whether "most people liked it" so an aggregator is basically the only tool we have.
    But if that were the case, there's no arguing whether most people liked it! More than half of critics (most) AND the vast majority of audiences (most) liked it!

    Edit: aaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Not really, no. Audience scores online don't mean shit (online polling lol) and critics are not anything like a uniform distribution across the population. Which impacts both the question "Do people like this?" and "Will I like this?".

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    If “fans of the genre” are going to be the most served, I’m afraid I’m gonna bow out

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    40% on RT critic reviews seems to be my low threshold on whether I'll like something or not. Under it, pretty much guaranteed I won't. Over though, a significant number of times I've still enjoyed the movie. Movies that hover between 40-50% seem to attract a disproportionate number of negative for the sake of being negative reviews, critics getting on the bandwagon because it gets exposure or something. Or it'll be some popcorn action or B-movie that they're reviewing like it was supposed to be high art.

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    If “fans of the genre” are going to be the most served, I’m afraid I’m gonna bow out
    My wife, who would not call herself a "sci-fi" fan and not usually an action movie fan, was dreading seeing this, but it was a Valentines Day gift to me.

    She loved it.

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    PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    40% on RT critic reviews seems to be my low threshold on whether I'll like something or not. Under it, pretty much guaranteed I won't. Over though, a significant number of times I've still enjoyed the movie. Movies that hover between 40-50% seem to attract a disproportionate number of negative for the sake of being negative reviews, critics getting on the bandwagon because it gets exposure or something. Or it'll be some popcorn action or B-movie that they're reviewing like it was supposed to be high art.

    I find it is also very worth at least skimming the reviews, especially for genre films. Metacritic, at least, has a habit of marking reviews that read fairly positive low, with a lot of "This is fun film for fans of this type of thing" reviews that are scored 50 percent or less for some reason.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    shryke wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    For the love of god, montressor, argue about whether the movie is good, not whether the movie’s arbitrary consensus numbers indicate that it is good or not

    Stop trying to quantify art quality, it’s madness

    The argument was over whether "most people liked it" so an aggregator is basically the only tool we have.
    But if that were the case, there's no arguing whether most people liked it! More than half of critics (most) AND the vast majority of audiences (most) liked it!

    Edit: aaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Not really, no. Audience scores online don't mean shit (online polling lol) and critics are not anything like a uniform distribution across the population. Which impacts both the question "Do people like this?" and "Will I like this?".

    Which is, again, why you seek out a critic whose judgment you trust when it comes to film and listen to them as opposed to seeing how full the Good Movie Meter is at Critic Boogaloo Dot Com.

    This quantification of movie "goodness" is right up there with using TVTropes as a sole source of critical analysis.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    For the love of god, montressor, argue about whether the movie is good, not whether the movie’s arbitrary consensus numbers indicate that it is good or not

    Stop trying to quantify art quality, it’s madness

    The argument was over whether "most people liked it" so an aggregator is basically the only tool we have.
    But if that were the case, there's no arguing whether most people liked it! More than half of critics (most) AND the vast majority of audiences (most) liked it!

    Edit: aaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Not really, no. Audience scores online don't mean shit (online polling lol) and critics are not anything like a uniform distribution across the population. Which impacts both the question "Do people like this?" and "Will I like this?".

    Which is, again, why you seek out a critic whose judgment you trust when it comes to film and listen to them as opposed to seeing how full the Good Movie Meter is at Critic Boogaloo Dot Com.

    This quantification of movie "goodness" is right up there with using TVTropes as a sole source of critical analysis.

    But that wasn't the contention at all. The whole argument was that people (in the collective sense) actually liked the movie.

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    shryke wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    For the love of god, montressor, argue about whether the movie is good, not whether the movie’s arbitrary consensus numbers indicate that it is good or not

    Stop trying to quantify art quality, it’s madness

    The argument was over whether "most people liked it" so an aggregator is basically the only tool we have.
    But if that were the case, there's no arguing whether most people liked it! More than half of critics (most) AND the vast majority of audiences (most) liked it!

    Edit: aaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Not really, no. Audience scores online don't mean shit (online polling lol) and critics are not anything like a uniform distribution across the population. Which impacts both the question "Do people like this?" and "Will I like this?".

    Which is, again, why you seek out a critic whose judgment you trust when it comes to film and listen to them as opposed to seeing how full the Good Movie Meter is at Critic Boogaloo Dot Com.

    This quantification of movie "goodness" is right up there with using TVTropes as a sole source of critical analysis.

    But that wasn't the contention at all. The whole argument was that people (in the collective sense) actually liked the movie.
    But by the quantifiable metrics, most people who saw the film liked it.

    Unless you can somehow quantify the mysterious number of cinema goers that do not participate in online polling?

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Which isnt indicative of whether or not you will because people who go to a movie is a self selecting group which you may not be a part of. And people that respond to those surveys are a further self selecting group.

    The critic score (and individual reviews) are better indicators of whether or not youre likely to like the movie given that you dont know if youre in that aelf selecting group

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