2019 Shutdown Boogaloo Part 2 : Border "Wall" negotiations
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Talk about the negotiations/deal between GOP and Dems re: "border security" and whether or not our President is gonna screw that shit up again here.
All rules apply as before in the previous shutdown thread.
All rules apply as before in the previous shutdown thread.
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This is the important quote, from that CNBC article, emphasis mine.
It includes 55 more miles of "bollard fencing". That can be anything from completely useless to...well, what we've been describing as the wall all along. Republicans spin this as barrier spending for the wall. Democrats note that this is not additional money: it's the same amount of money for physical barriers that was in a bill last year, when Republicans controlled Congress.
That's where they're trying to let both sides eke out a win.
Quid I didn't see anything about Trump giving in. I saw that he doesn't like the deal, but he probably accepts he can't fight it without McConnell's support (which is to say, doing all the fighting).
I think Democrats should try to split the baby and accept Trump's proposal of a border barrier made up of 2,000 miles of peaches. It might help flip Georgia.
Which, unfortunately, makes him the perfect representative / embodiment of the current GOP base.
Sex abuse enabler and aspiring Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy is still trying to push this deal hard with our mercurial President and the trolls in their base. He is absolutely signalling to Ann Coulter and the like that this is the best deal they are going to get and to not shit in the pool.
For what it's worth this is a decent deal for Democrats that makes them
A. Further look like good faith actors/adults in the room
B. Doesn't give Trump what he really wants but gives him an out if he's smart enough to take it
C. Gives us an opportunity to avoid making thousands of peoples lives less shitty for no reason.
The downsides are is that this really doesn't curb the human rights crisis going on at the border. But to be honest that isn't happening with this crowd in charge.
My personal expectation is that this deal dies because the President isn't smart enough/a savvy enough negotiator to realize that the fact that the Democrats are now only agreeing to a lower dollar amount then previously is because they know they hold all of the cards here.
And that the border wall they're giving him, which would do excellently protecting a pedestrian walkway, can't be used in photo ops unless Trump wants to anger his own base for getting played.
This isn't an ideal scenario but from a political standpoint the House Democrats have scored a major win.
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Jim Jordan was the sex abuse enabler, Kevin McCarthy is the one that withdrew from his speakership candidacy because he was having an affair with a female congresswoman which was promptly forgotten when she lost an election. Both were running against each other for speaker when the Democrats won and rendered it moot.
I know its hard to keep track sometimes.
Eh, he governs based on how the people on Fox and Friends treat him.
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Honestly, at some point, protecting Trump should inevitably include protecting him from himself. The previous shut down got them nothing and was heading towards some all time high disapproval ratings for Trump.
What's the old saying? A good compromise is one nobody is happy with?
You can only protect someone who is willing to listen, which is the whole issue.
The case against Trump signing the deal: Trump is essentially a chaos muppet.
Which is funny to me, because Lindsey graham whined that anything less then 1.6 would destroy the republican party.
So, just to make sure I have this straight.
Originally Democrats agreed to 25 billion in funding and Trump killed that plan.
Then Democrats had 5-ish billion on the table, and then Trump shut the government down.
And now, the agreement is 1.4 billion?
I dunno though. I mean as long as the Democrats keep calling it a 'fence' and point out that of $5 billion specifically for a wall he got $1, it'll eventually push him enough into reacting as if he lost.
It's a huge, far-cry from "The Wall" that Trump has wanted. Like it's not even the same ballpark. He's made attempts to start walking back the expectation to begin with, when he goes "you can call it a barrier or fence or whatever." He hasn't been consistent with it, but he's dipped his toes enough to try and engage in spin. It's really sad, especially compared to all the charged up speeches he would give about this garbage.
And that was 1.6 billion for just wall money This is 1.4 for anything but wall money.
We can't solve those until 2021,sadly.
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Also, that is a different kind of legislation than annual appropriations. And rightfully so.
I figure that of all of us here, you probably are the most affected; so if you're okay with this, I am too. Still bugs me that he's getting anything even vaguely wall-like, though.
Don't get me wrong, giving nothing would be ideal always. But what's being given isn't a percentage of wall, it's a different thing and is clearly a token gesture that is going to be embarrassing to twist into a victory. It also possibly avoids another shutdown.
Passing through the previous funding increase for more border fencing also directly translates to more deaths of immigrants forced into increasingly dangerous crossings.
The only real victory to come out of this was the actions of workers to end the shutdown to begin with, and what that bodes for ultimately being able to address some of these problems.
The dems can actually point to this as two wins, really.
There was the shutdown, and the dems said "no negotiations until the government is opened up." And there were no negotiations until the government opened up.
Then the was "we're not giving you a penny for your stupid racist wall." And this agreement is pretty damned close to not a penny. It's a small amount of money, some of which can go to something that you could maybe technically call a wall if you're desperate for spin. It's not as unqualified a victory as the first shutdown battle, but it's still largely a win.
The dems are two for two, now. Maybe 1.9 for two. Still pretty good.
I'm a little weirded out that we haven't heard much from the White House today, which tells me they're sitting with Trump right now either calming him down or explaining things to him as best they can. Or both. There isn't as much bombast going on so hopefully that means he'll say "bring it to my desk and I will sign the budget."
I mean, they're right to a degree. Letting racist toddlers build pillow forts in the highest office of the United States is a victory for racists.
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I would set the under pretty low. He can't not talk about stuff on the news, and it will be in the news. The over on everything he says about the bill being false should be pretty high though.
I'm going with he signs it and declares a down payment on Wall, along with some Game of Thrones copyright violations.
In the long run he won't shut up about the Wall. But what he's going to do now? Flip a coin. Five times. He'll do all of the results.
There are reports that he's "likely" to sign it.
Nancy Pelosi in an interview at the start of the last shutdown was asked about Trump and his wall. She then pointed behind her to some flowers in her office and said "You could plant those at the border, and he'd say he got his wall."
Which is telling because at his El Paso rally the other night he had signs up that read "Finish the Wall" and told people at the rally that Congress had already given him the money to start the wall and that construction on the wall had already begun. Which is obviously not true but tells us he intends to use the money for the fencing in this bill as his "My wall started" excuse.