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[Xbox/XBL] Battlefront II SP Sucked (but Gavankar was great): A Retrospective

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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Crippl3 wrote: »
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    Anyone played Starlink? It's deluxe edition is 32 bucks as part of the Spring Sale and I'm wondering how good it is.

    The Switch version is the best version as it has a bunch of extra content.
    From everything I've seen and heard, it's pretty good! Real repetitive, and too much focus on planetside missions when the best stuff is in space tho.

    Isn't Starlink the game with the physical toys or something? If it's not, I may check it out. I don't feel like googling to find the answer to this.

    It is but you can unlock digital versions of the toys in-game so you're not handicapped by not having the actual things. The Deluxe edition brings all of them.

  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    Does the xbox website run real slow on the pages for stuff like friends and messages for everyone else, or is that just my computer being old?

    My experience has been that the xbox website is hot trash no matter what computer you access it from, I exclusively use their phone app now because it's top to bottom a better experience.

  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Anchorage, AKRegistered User regular
    I totally get what these promotions are all about, but it still stings that existing customers can't take advantage of them.

    Like hey, Microsoft, we're loyal pass holders who've been around for awhile. Can we get some love, too?

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    I totally get what these promotions are all about, but it still stings that existing customers can't take advantage of them.

    Like hey, Microsoft, we're loyal pass holders who've been around for awhile. Can we get some love, too?

    They're trying to get people onto the service. There are games you probably played thanks to Game Pass that also aren't available anymore. Idk I get the frustrating side of that but I understand why pass holders don't get the option. I let my 6 month trial lapse and they offered me the 3 months for a bucks deal, so maybe just cancel every now and then and hope you see the deal?

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Anchorage, AKRegistered User regular
    I totally get what these promotions are all about, but it still stings that existing customers can't take advantage of them.

    Like hey, Microsoft, we're loyal pass holders who've been around for awhile. Can we get some love, too?

    They're trying to get people onto the service. There are games you probably played thanks to Game Pass that also aren't available anymore. Idk I get the frustrating side of that but I understand why pass holders don't get the option. I let my 6 month trial lapse and they offered me the 3 months for a bucks deal, so maybe just cancel every now and then and hope you see the deal?

    Yeah, that sounds like the smart option. I'm actively playing some games, so it's not like I'm not getting my money's worth. Next time I'm not playing any of the current offerings, I'll cancel.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    I know for a fact I don't use Game Pass enough to justify the normal monthly cost. That's even before considering my preference for physical ownership of major releases.

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  • ArteenArteen Adept ValeRegistered User regular
    I don't think I've used game pass enough to justify the cumulative $3 or so I've spent on it from previous sales.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    If I consider the discount that comes with Game Pass, it works out a little better. But I've never paid full price for Game Pass (I almost did once, but Microsoft promptly refunded me and canceled the additional month).

  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    Arteen wrote: »
    I don't think I've used game pass enough to justify the cumulative $3 or so I've spent on it from previous sales.

    pretty much me and EA Access at this point.

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  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    German Site with pretty legit-looking shots of the Europe box for Xbone SAD edition.

    Price is supposedly 230 euros which... doesn't sound great. Not clear if there are any services included in that price.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    German Site with pretty legit-looking shots of the Europe box for Xbone SAD edition.

    Price is supposedly 230 euros which... doesn't sound great. Not clear if there are any services included in that price.

    That looks nearly identical to the mock-ups Windows Central put out when this was first hinted at what seem like half a year ago.

    In which case, bravo to Windows Central for being right then.

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    The X1SADE (blimey, even the acronym is a mouthful) being the same size as the X1S (or close enough) despite the removal of the optical drive - a physically not-small component - seems slightly odd to me.

    Not sure how much of that is down to just keeping it looking similar enough (brand cohesion and whatnot).

    I wonder if, when we get a teardown of it, it will turn out to be literally an X1S without the drive (and a slightly different case). Assuming the removal of the drive doesn't affect its weight distribution too much, especially in vertical orientation. Horizontal it would but that might not be an issue.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Teardowns of the Xbox One S suggest the UHD drive...is not very big. The console is, after all, densely packed with an internalized power supply, unlike the original device. I sort of expect it's not going to be much smaller, but I also think that German website was just borrowing graphics we've already seen floating around.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    I can imagine them having a lot of One S cases bumming around and they decided to leave it the same. It's funny I could see myself going all digital next generation, there's only a handful of titles I have physical... But that being said all digital means BC titles I own I can't just pop in anymore

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Just to avoid confusion: obviously, they're not repurposing Xbox One S shells because...that's not how it works. There almost certainly isn't a stage where Xbox One S cases have all their vent holes drilled in, but not the slot for the optical drive and the switch. That's about as likely as "Okay, start spackling these Xbox One S shells to fill in the drive slot!"

    (I don't think that's what you're implying, Local H Jay, but someone is going to think that, because it's the internet.)

    They might save money on design costs, as well as maybe factory tools, by keeping the design as similar as possible. Pretty obviously, considering the orders are supposed to happen this month, this is the opposite of what MS did with the Xbox One s and Xbox One X. Hell, it's the opposite of what they did with the launch console. They still haven't even shown off the hardware, much less made an announcement. So clearly the Xbox division is playing this low-key, "Oh, by the way, with have an All Digital Console, if that's your thing." Compared to the avalanche of promotional material and media the other hardware launches got from Xbox.

    Makes sense. It's hard to say how well this will sell, especially when the company is trying to keep normal console sells up too, and this is still a novelty. I still think this is very experimental for Microsoft, to try and figure out actual useful data on this kind of endeavor, because neither they nor Sony have much concrete evidence otherwise (and also to make a quick buck by selling cheaper hardware at a comparable price).

    And if no one buys it and it fizzles out, they can accurately say, "Yeah, we didn't expect much, but we wanted to offer the option," and it's no skin off their noses.

    I have no idea how viable it is, so it's easy to assume the worse. I wouldn't buy one, because Microsoft is still committing to the "console and all-in-one media player," angle, and hasn't suggested they won't for the next hardware release. So there's not really a case for me buy an 'All Digital Project Scarlet' console, if one comes out. But I have a few dozen DVDs, blu ray, and UHD discs I need to play, and the Xbox One is the only one that will play all of them.

    EDIT: Here's Windows Central's take on the same German website rumor--for those of you who don't read German, but also there's a somewhat clearer render of the packaging.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    I doubt the top part of the case is the same, but that bottom section of the unit looks identical to the standard X/S. I can see them reusing a lot of the design for it, especially if they're hopping to phase out the regular S in favor of this thing. I'm sure they save quite a bit by not including UHD drive. I could see myself using this in my bedroom and moving my 1X to my big living room TV, since as is now I just swap around as needed. The downside is I do have quite a handful of 4K Blu-ray now that I couldn't watch in my room.

    Isn't this the rumored "pay as you go-Box" where you get Live/Game pass as you pay it off, too?

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    There are existing..."leased Xbox"? Installment pay Xbox One and Xbox One X consoles, those have been for a while (Microsoft stores offer them...not sure where else). There has been no announcement for the same plan for this console, but why wouldn't they have the option? Well, maybe if there weren't enough of them.

    Oh, of course some components are getting reused. I wouldn't be surprised if the similarity in size comes from reusing the existing PSU to save costs, and ignoring the extra power needed by the optical drive. The "base plate" could definitely be reused. But the actual shell--well, the majority of it, which is that colored part--no. The base plate/whatever it's called between the Xbox One X and Xbox One S isn't the same (to start, the IR blaster/USB port is mirrored, because the Xbox One X's main board), though obviously they look the same.

    Assuming that's what you meant. Assuming the German website is accurate, the All-Digital Edition and Xbox One S might have the same port arrangement, and thereby the same plastic base.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Hmm that's pretty lame, I assumed it be available at other retailers like Best Buy and the like. Having it limited to Microsoft Stores is a pretty weak move. Can you order the PayBoxes online or only in person? Seems strange.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Well, apparently Xbox All Access was discontinued in 2018, but Microsoft said they'd announce another program in 2019. Eventually. :?

    I think Xbox All Access was exclusive to Microsoft stores, and not any other retailers.

    Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if other retailers weren't inclined to join, since I know a few here in Georgia that offer their own payment plans and wouldn't want Microsoft interfering.

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  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Just started up Rise of the Tomb Raider because I still had t played the second or third games in the current series yet for some reason.

    I’m only in the intro so far (yet somehow have fallen to my death twice already), but it looks gorgeous on my One X! I kept hearing how good RDR2 was, I didn’t finish that game, but so far this looks a lot better.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Well, RDR2 has a famously bad implementation of HDR, but that's only one aspect of it.

    I'm of the opinion Shadow of the Tomb Raider is a better looking game (though it's tough comparing thick, lush jungles with icy caves), but Rise is a very good lloking game.

    On a completely different topic: since for the first time in many, many years I no longer have cable television, I've been thinking of taking advantage of the Xbox One's TV tuner support to watch digital broadcasts (it's better than nothing). Anyone have any experience with that...or for that matter, an antenna they'd recommend to go with the Hauppauge tuner?

    EDIT: Huh, the Microsoft-released digital tuners are absurdly cheap on eBay. They do seem to be all from UK sellers, and it's a different lead in than in the United States.

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    The EU tuners don't work in America, they use completely different protocols and physical connections.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    The EU tuners don't work in America, they use completely different protocols and physical connections.

    On top of the connector being different (I think). Or not. In any case, no, they wouldn't work in the US.

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Teardowns of the Xbox One S suggest the UHD drive...is not very big. The console is, after all, densely packed with an internalized power supply, unlike the original device. I sort of expect it's not going to be much smaller, but I also think that German website was just borrowing graphics we've already seen floating around.

    It's not a massive drive, of course, but an optical drive is always going to be limited in how much it can shrink by the physical size of its media. And I've seen slimmer drives; it takes up quite a chunk of space in the S.

    When we get a teardown, I fully expect the ADE (I might start calling it Edmondson) to be literally identical to the S in every way except for the UHD drive being missing and the new top shell of the case. So long as the console still boots and functions when it doesn't detect the drive, which is entirely a firmware thing, that would probably be the most economical way to build this machine.

    Weight distribution is the only thing I can see changing that.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Awhile back or was suggested that Electric Square was working on a new Forza game, but when it was finally announced, it was a mobile racing game named Miami Street, leading some to speculate they just dropped the Forza name.

    They've just renamed the game to Forza Street, adding credence to that rumour.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    The rumor is that the Xbox One D (saw someone say this should be the all digital box name and I'm going with it) is 260 USD. Seems weird I figured it would be a bit cheaper.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    The rumor is that the Xbox One D (saw someone say this should be the all digital box name and I'm going with it) is 260 USD. Seems weird I figured it would be a bit cheaper.

    Keep in mind the S is $300 MSRP. It's just frequently on sale prices of like $250.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Yeah that's what I was going off of tbh. I figured if someone was in the market for an Xbox One, they'd go the extra lil bit and just buy an S so they can watch 4K blurays, but that's just my own logic and not everyone else's.

    I will say it seems even more likely this is the new S going forward

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Yeah that's what I was going off of tbh. I figured if someone was in the market for an Xbox One, they'd go the extra lil bit and just buy an S so they can watch 4K blurays, but that's just my own logic and not everyone else's.

    I will say it seems even more likely this is the new S going forward

    Yeah, I really don't get who this machine is for, but that's entirely from my own perspective where physical media (at least for movies etc) is still a thing.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    The rumor is that the Xbox One D (saw someone say this should be the all digital box name and I'm going with it) is 260 USD. Seems weird I figured it would be a bit cheaper.

    As we've established, nope. The basic Xbox One (I won't bother saying 'S' since they haven't manufactured the original model for a few years now) is extremely variable in price, and pretty constantly discounted.

    Maybe that same $50 de facto discount will go to the All Digital Edition...but if Microsoft only makes a small batch of them at any given time, probably not. The UHD-playing model is going to still be produced (not to mention the huge existing inventories of it), so how much they want to compete with it. Hence why I think this is as much experimentation as anything.

    On top of that, they can grab a quick buck this way. It's a new SKU, so some number of them will be sold--to open-boxers, amateur tech reviewers, the people who buy every variation of every video game console anyway--regardless of the noncompetitive price. Maybe they don't think the normal audience will pick up on it at first (or maybe ever) considering what you can get for just a little more money.

    Sort of like how many marketplaces, particularly PC, going all digital, hasn't actually resulted in lower prices outside of sales (which existed back in physical marketplaces too).

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    To my surprise: Sony has officially dropped detailed hints about the Playstation 5's hardware setup, the most important ones (I think) are PSVR support and PS4 backwards compatibility, but also the desired goals of the hardware.

    Considering how tight-lipped Sony has been this generation, I'm surprised they did so first. Or at least, I think they did so first.

    Presumably Microsoft will follow with more concrete details for Project Scarlet. An advantage of waiting might be that they can more immediately match the project PS5 hardware goals.

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Yeah that's what I was going off of tbh. I figured if someone was in the market for an Xbox One, they'd go the extra lil bit and just buy an S so they can watch 4K blurays, but that's just my own logic and not everyone else's.

    I will say it seems even more likely this is the new S going forward

    Yeah, I really don't get who this machine is for, but that's entirely from my own perspective where physical media (at least for movies etc) is still a thing.

    It's for people with unlimited, ultra-high speed internet who play and discard their games on a near daily basis. Watch all TV/movies via Netflix and Hulu. And live in a shoebox.

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Yeah that's what I was going off of tbh. I figured if someone was in the market for an Xbox One, they'd go the extra lil bit and just buy an S so they can watch 4K blurays, but that's just my own logic and not everyone else's.

    I will say it seems even more likely this is the new S going forward

    Yeah, I really don't get who this machine is for, but that's entirely from my own perspective where physical media (at least for movies etc) is still a thing.

    It's for people with unlimited, ultra-high speed internet who play and discard their games on a near daily basis. Watch all TV/movies via Netflix and Hulu. And live in a shoebox.

    Illustrating my point :lol:

  • baudattitudebaudattitude Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Yeah that's what I was going off of tbh. I figured if someone was in the market for an Xbox One, they'd go the extra lil bit and just buy an S so they can watch 4K blurays, but that's just my own logic and not everyone else's.

    I will say it seems even more likely this is the new S going forward

    Yeah, I really don't get who this machine is for, but that's entirely from my own perspective where physical media (at least for movies etc) is still a thing.

    I like it a lot, but I am kind of a digital zealot, particularly for movies. I went from collecting VHS to collecting laserdiscs to DVDs to blu-rays to realizing that our house looked like a damn video store and now everything we watch is stored on a well-backed-up file server and our local library got a donation of several thousand movies.

    Even with that, I'm not going to buy one because we're five years into the generation and I don't need any more Xboxes. If they launch next generation with a discless version, I'll probably be in for that.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    To my surprise: Sony has officially dropped detailed hints about the Playstation 5's hardware setup, the most important ones (I think) are PSVR support and PS4 backwards compatibility, but also the desired goals of the hardware.

    Considering how tight-lipped Sony has been this generation, I'm surprised they did so first. Or at least, I think they did so first.

    Presumably Microsoft will follow with more concrete details for Project Scarlet. An advantage of waiting might be that they can more immediately match the project PS5 hardware goals.

    Most boring next-gen announcement ever.

    I mean, I guess they're not doing anything stupid like streaming only or anything, but still.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Sounds about right. No point in not pre-installing a few games on a digital-only machine. Presumably they'll pack the license codes in the box itself so you can bind them to your account.

    Briefly returning, Sony's announcement that there will be solid state storage...pretty much means that Microsoft will also need to provide the same (in reality, SSD varies enormously in speed, with the cheapest being not much faster than a 5400 RPM drive, and I think Microsoft already hinted at the idea). So that's a good thing. Sony's promise for enhanced audio means less, since the Xbox One has had 3D audio support since 2017, if memory serves. DF has done some interesting investigations that while even the base Xbox One having weaker visuals than the Playstation 4 typically has better 3D audio fidelity (assuming developers took advantage of better visuals and better audio respectively).

    I'm sort of assuming that a Playstation 5 Pro (please don't call it that, Sony, you got over the Spiderman font, you can think of a better name) will come in the years that follow, and Sony is simply disinclined to talk about it at the moment (Sony basically only admitted that it was working on an enhanced console when leaks had effectively confirmed it, and launched it a short while later). But who knows, it's not like we know that much.

    Anyway, Microsoft's E3 briefing this year is set for 9 June, promised to be "the biggest one ever" (though at least, with Sony's absence, it'll have a pretty big spotlight on it). Hard to imagine that won't involve at least the next big hardware reveal for Project Scarlett.

    Meanwhile, in a style befitting Marvel, watch tonight's Inside Xbox for a sneak preview on what we might see at E3 in June. Trailer for a trailer, folks!

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Microsoft's e3 will probably be the "Biggest ever" on virtue of third parties having nowhere else to go this year due to Sony being completely absent.

    I Imagine we'll get a Scorpio-like tease for next gen and that's it. Everything else will either be already announced titles, third party titles, minor service stuff and maybe a few aquisition announcements.

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Yeah that's what I was going off of tbh. I figured if someone was in the market for an Xbox One, they'd go the extra lil bit and just buy an S so they can watch 4K blurays, but that's just my own logic and not everyone else's.

    I will say it seems even more likely this is the new S going forward

    Yeah, I really don't get who this machine is for, but that's entirely from my own perspective where physical media (at least for movies etc) is still a thing.

    I like it a lot, but I am kind of a digital zealot, particularly for movies. I went from collecting VHS to collecting laserdiscs to DVDs to blu-rays to realizing that our house looked like a damn video store and now everything we watch is stored on a well-backed-up file server and our local library got a donation of several thousand movies.

    Even with that, I'm not going to buy one because we're five years into the generation and I don't need any more Xboxes. If they launch next generation with a discless version, I'll probably be in for that.

    The problem with digital-only is for those of us (me) who have to deal with .75Mbps download. I'm personally in favour of digital distribution, but I sure as fuck don't want to wait days to play a game.

    A discless console sounds a lot like a HDDless console. Usable, but who gives a fuck? I still need to obtain a X1 and I would be massively upset if when I do it can't deal with physical media.

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