I'll say that I don't understand what the medium term plan is. Long term, we hope for a vaccine, or that enough people have built immunity that the number of new cases stay low, on the short term we isolate as to not overwhelm the health system, but as soon as stop that, cases will spike again. We're not infecting people at a rate to build herd immmunity before 1 -2 years, which seems to be the same timeline for a vaccine anyway, and I find it unlikely that we can keep the current isolation for that long.
Medium term is better testing, to the point that we can reliably say that there's no community spread. That lets us reopen many businesses, presumably with some restrictions, then jump on any infections that show up. This will probably result in a bunch of quarantine orders whenever someone tests positive, but those won't cover the entire state.
Seems that will only work if the asymptomatic transmission isn't that widespread - unless we have a way to sample the asymptomatic population?
As an aside, I wonder if you can search for the virus DNA on sewer water as an indicator of the spread on the population at large.
It's unclear how much asymptomatic spread actually exists (although the last week or so I've barely had time to read anything), but more it's people with a cough and a mild fever going out anyways.
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Wasn't there a study posted in one of our too many covid threads that found that "asymptomatic" spread was in fact not asymptomatic, the symptoms were simply mind enough people weren't consciously registering them as such?
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
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Washington is currently ranked #4 in testing and #10 in cases. In guessing Texas and Georgia are actually ahead of us by now, but they aren't there officially yet.
It looks like our curve is starting to flatten, but it's hard to say for sure. It could be that our case load is accelerating faster than the ability to test.
Wasn't there a study posted in one of our too many covid threads that found that "asymptomatic" spread was in fact not asymptomatic, the symptoms were simply mind enough people weren't consciously registering them as such?
In practice does it really make much difference?
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Wasn't there a study posted in one of our too many covid threads that found that "asymptomatic" spread was in fact not asymptomatic, the symptoms were simply mind enough people weren't consciously registering them as such?
In practice does it really make much difference?
Yeah, because if you let people know that a mild cough/sickness symptoms that you could be spreading, people might effectively self isolate w/o shutting everything down, which would go a long ways.
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
Wasn't there a study posted in one of our too many covid threads that found that "asymptomatic" spread was in fact not asymptomatic, the symptoms were simply mind enough people weren't consciously registering them as such?
In practice does it really make much difference?
Yeah, because if you let people know that a mild cough/sickness symptoms that you could be spreading, people might effectively self isolate w/o shutting everything down, which would go a long ways.
That's good as long as businesses honor people using sick time/having sick time to use for what most americans consider "mild" symptoms. But like my job has an official description of "if you're sick stay home" and an unofficial "Unless you're puking or shitting blood you're ass is coming in."
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Wasn't there a study posted in one of our too many covid threads that found that "asymptomatic" spread was in fact not asymptomatic, the symptoms were simply mind enough people weren't consciously registering them as such?
In practice does it really make much difference?
Yeah, because if you let people know that a mild cough/sickness symptoms that you could be spreading, people might effectively self isolate w/o shutting everything down, which would go a long ways.
That's good as long as businesses honor people using sick time/having sick time to use for what most americans consider "mild" symptoms. But like my job has an official description of "if you're sick stay home" and an unofficial "Unless you're puking or shitting blood you're ass is coming in."
I recommend you unionize to stamp out that attitude, but if I recall correctly that isn't an option in your field.
Wasn't there a study posted in one of our too many covid threads that found that "asymptomatic" spread was in fact not asymptomatic, the symptoms were simply mind enough people weren't consciously registering them as such?
Yes. Quick synopsis: there are some actual asymptomatic people, though most people eventually do show some symptoms. Those symptoms could be so mild that people don't even realize they have it, like a mild fever that they wouldn't even have noticed if people weren't checking their temperatures and/or a really minor cough.
This being said, the definition of "mild" COVID-19 cases encompassing everything from fully asymptomatic to "pneumonia not quite bad enough to require hospitalization" did not help at all when most people are left to self-diagnose.
In Seattle, people are playing soccer and bean bag toss in a big crowd in the park, and other people are playing basketball. Almost nobody who is out on the street is wearing a mask.
This is going to go on for a long time.
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In Seattle, people are playing soccer and bean bag toss in a big crowd in the park, and other people are playing basketball. Almost nobody who is out on the street is wearing a mask.
This is going to go on for a long time.
Nearly everyone is wearing masks in my part of Seattle. Haven't seen any big crowds at parks. Haven't been to greenlake though.
In Seattle, people are playing soccer and bean bag toss in a big crowd in the park, and other people are playing basketball. Almost nobody who is out on the street is wearing a mask.
This is going to go on for a long time.
Nearly everyone is wearing masks in my part of Seattle. Haven't seen any big crowds at parks. Haven't been to greenlake though.
Wasn't there a study posted in one of our too many covid threads that found that "asymptomatic" spread was in fact not asymptomatic, the symptoms were simply mind enough people weren't consciously registering them as such?
Yes. Quick synopsis: there are some actual asymptomatic people, though most people eventually do show some symptoms. Those symptoms could be so mild that people don't even realize they have it, like a mild fever that they wouldn't even have noticed if people weren't checking their temperatures and/or a really minor cough.
This being said, the definition of "mild" COVID-19 cases encompassing everything from fully asymptomatic to "pneumonia not quite bad enough to require hospitalization" did not help at all when most people are left to self-diagnose.
This is not as sure as you make it sound!
In Italy there was an example where they took blood from 60 'healthy' people who self reported they never got sick, and 40 had antigens for the virus present.
In Seattle, people are playing soccer and bean bag toss in a big crowd in the park, and other people are playing basketball. Almost nobody who is out on the street is wearing a mask.
This is going to go on for a long time.
Nearly everyone is wearing masks in my part of Seattle. Haven't seen any big crowds at parks. Haven't been to greenlake though.
I'm in Cap Hill. Glad your area is being smarter.
Lake City is...also not being smart. I wear my N95 when walking my dog and everyone looks at me like I'm crazy to be walking around trying to get everyone sick.
Even though it is the exact opposite of that! I'm protecting you more than myself!
I like how my wife can't file unemployment because the system has her old name and they never closed out an old claim (preventing her from opening a new one)... both things that can only be fixed by calling the office.
The phone line doesn't have a call queue, you get just a message that everyone is busy try calling again later. She's been trying for 4 days now to get them to answer with no luck.
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I like how my wife can't file unemployment because the system has her old name and they never closed out an old claim (preventing her from opening a new one)... both things that can only be fixed by calling the office.
The phone line doesn't have a call queue, you get just a message that everyone is busy try calling again later. She's been trying for 4 days now to get them to answer with no luck.
Contact your state reps office?
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
Inslee really fucked things up by assuming people would be adequately taken care of by our lackluster unemployment system. As someone who's had to use it multiple times across multiple years, I can tell you it's barely functional under ideal political stability circumstances. During this moment in time it's been virtually unusable for 99% of users.
I like how my wife can't file unemployment because the system has her old name and they never closed out an old claim (preventing her from opening a new one)... both things that can only be fixed by calling the office.
The phone line doesn't have a call queue, you get just a message that everyone is busy try calling again later. She's been trying for 4 days now to get them to answer with no luck.
Contact your state reps office?
I mean it's not like there's anything anyone can do.
New UI claims are like 6x higher then they've ever been.
It just sucks.
(Also I actually did reach out to my state reps on a different issue a while back... they don't care, they're not in session.)
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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Inslee really fucked things up by assuming people would be adequately taken care of by our lackluster unemployment system. As someone who's had to use it multiple times across multiple years, I can tell you it's barely functional under ideal political stability circumstances. During this moment in time it's been virtually unusable for 99% of users.
And I bet Washington's is one of the better ones across the country.
I like how my wife can't file unemployment because the system has her old name and they never closed out an old claim (preventing her from opening a new one)... both things that can only be fixed by calling the office.
The phone line doesn't have a call queue, you get just a message that everyone is busy try calling again later. She's been trying for 4 days now to get them to answer with no luck.
Contact your state reps office?
I mean it's not like there's anything anyone can do.
New UI claims are like 6x higher then they've ever been.
It just sucks.
(Also I actually did reach out to my state reps on a different issue a while back... they don't care, they're not in session.)
They could, and should, have paid unemployment benefits straight to companies and had their HR teams arrange payments to workers like they are doing in Europe. No need for workers to do anything, paychecks just keep coming albeit smaller.
I like how my wife can't file unemployment because the system has her old name and they never closed out an old claim (preventing her from opening a new one)... both things that can only be fixed by calling the office.
The phone line doesn't have a call queue, you get just a message that everyone is busy try calling again later. She's been trying for 4 days now to get them to answer with no luck.
Contact your state reps office?
I mean it's not like there's anything anyone can do.
New UI claims are like 6x higher then they've ever been.
It just sucks.
(Also I actually did reach out to my state reps on a different issue a while back... they don't care, they're not in session.)
They could, and should, have paid unemployment benefits straight to companies and had their HR teams arrange payments to workers like they are doing in Europe. No need for workers to do anything, paychecks just keep coming albeit smaller.
Woosh, I am super skeptical of US companies being reliable enough entities for that to work and not shaft a lot of workers.
I like how my wife can't file unemployment because the system has her old name and they never closed out an old claim (preventing her from opening a new one)... both things that can only be fixed by calling the office.
The phone line doesn't have a call queue, you get just a message that everyone is busy try calling again later. She's been trying for 4 days now to get them to answer with no luck.
Contact your state reps office?
I mean it's not like there's anything anyone can do.
New UI claims are like 6x higher then they've ever been.
It just sucks.
(Also I actually did reach out to my state reps on a different issue a while back... they don't care, they're not in session.)
They could, and should, have paid unemployment benefits straight to companies and had their HR teams arrange payments to workers like they are doing in Europe. No need for workers to do anything, paychecks just keep coming albeit smaller.
Woosh, I am super skeptical of US companies being reliable enough entities for that to work and not shaft a lot of workers.
I would expect significant malfeasance by the companies to steal as much of those paychecks as they can get away with.
Based on ample evidence of wage-stealing that is only spottily enforced, especially in food service.
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DNR has already instituted an outdoor burn ban. Guess they don’t want to have to gather a bunch of firefighters in one spot to fight anything.
Kind of funny where im at though. We still have snow covering our burn pile.
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I like how my wife can't file unemployment because the system has her old name and they never closed out an old claim (preventing her from opening a new one)... both things that can only be fixed by calling the office.
The phone line doesn't have a call queue, you get just a message that everyone is busy try calling again later. She's been trying for 4 days now to get them to answer with no luck.
Contact your state reps office?
I mean it's not like there's anything anyone can do.
New UI claims are like 6x higher then they've ever been.
It just sucks.
(Also I actually did reach out to my state reps on a different issue a while back... they don't care, they're not in session.)
They could, and should, have paid unemployment benefits straight to companies and had their HR teams arrange payments to workers like they are doing in Europe. No need for workers to do anything, paychecks just keep coming albeit smaller.
Woosh, I am super skeptical of US companies being reliable enough entities for that to work and not shaft a lot of workers.
I would expect significant malfeasance by the companies to steal as much of those paychecks as they can get away with.
Based on ample evidence of wage-stealing that is only spottily enforced, especially in food service.
It would be better to have a massive amount of wage theft (which could be HARSHLY punished post pandemic) and to have a solid fraction of workers retain their ties to their companies, receive checks from their normal sources, and not have to worry about the stress and panic of an overloaded benefits system. Some US companies are malicious, to the point that they would steal wages in a pandemic, most are not and would pay them. As they are in pretty much every northern european country, including the UK.
Its a massively better idea for furloughed workers.
Also, in other news, West Seattle Bridge basically needs a total replacement at this point. Right now, we'd have to spend 2 years on repairs just to get another 10 years.
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Lol, the reporter isn't respecting the 6 foot distance
it's larger than you think, and goddamn it's hard to remember
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The West Seattle bridge being closed until 2022 is going to fuck so many of my co-workers who were already super fucked by this pandemic. My entire industry just can't catch a fucking break.
The West Seattle bridge being closed until 2022 is going to fuck so many of my co-workers who were already super fucked by this pandemic. My entire industry just can't catch a fucking break.
I know a teacher or two in West Seattle, as well. When school finally... exists again it's going to make a hard as hell job even harder.
Knowing Seattle, this will just lead to higher rent.
Yeah, RIP my commute (West Seattle to UW) once lockdown ends. We're towards the south end at least, so the alt routes out will be nearby, albeit totally choked with traffic.
70 year bridge lifespans really seem more like an aspiration than an engineering goal that is taken seriously, christ what poor timing
Probably when it was conceived the load was different than it got. It always seems like when things fail early like this the previous estimate was based on a travel load that was not at all the reality.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
70 year bridge lifespans really seem more like an aspiration than an engineering goal that is taken seriously, christ what poor timing
Probably when it was conceived the load was different than it got. It always seems like when things fail early like this the previous estimate was based on a travel load that was not at all the reality.
There's also the whole "oh by the way, YOU LIVE ON A HUGE FUCKING FAULT THAT MAKES THE SAN ANDREAS LOOK LIKE A SIDEWAY CRACK" problem
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It's unclear how much asymptomatic spread actually exists (although the last week or so I've barely had time to read anything), but more it's people with a cough and a mild fever going out anyways.
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It looks like our curve is starting to flatten, but it's hard to say for sure. It could be that our case load is accelerating faster than the ability to test.
In practice does it really make much difference?
Yeah, because if you let people know that a mild cough/sickness symptoms that you could be spreading, people might effectively self isolate w/o shutting everything down, which would go a long ways.
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That's good as long as businesses honor people using sick time/having sick time to use for what most americans consider "mild" symptoms. But like my job has an official description of "if you're sick stay home" and an unofficial "Unless you're puking or shitting blood you're ass is coming in."
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I recommend you unionize to stamp out that attitude, but if I recall correctly that isn't an option in your field.
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Yes. Quick synopsis: there are some actual asymptomatic people, though most people eventually do show some symptoms. Those symptoms could be so mild that people don't even realize they have it, like a mild fever that they wouldn't even have noticed if people weren't checking their temperatures and/or a really minor cough.
This being said, the definition of "mild" COVID-19 cases encompassing everything from fully asymptomatic to "pneumonia not quite bad enough to require hospitalization" did not help at all when most people are left to self-diagnose.
This is going to go on for a long time.
Which is a shame because right now is a pretty terrific time to get that ball rolling.
Nearly everyone is wearing masks in my part of Seattle. Haven't seen any big crowds at parks. Haven't been to greenlake though.
I'm in Cap Hill. Glad your area is being smarter.
This is not as sure as you make it sound!
In Italy there was an example where they took blood from 60 'healthy' people who self reported they never got sick, and 40 had antigens for the virus present.
Italian link
https://www.lastampa.it/topnews/primo-piano/2020/04/02/news/coronavirus-castiglione-d-adda-e-un-caso-di-studio-il-70-dei-donatori-di-sangue-e-positivo-1.38666481
Which is why many countries are doing studies to test that.
Lake City is...also not being smart. I wear my N95 when walking my dog and everyone looks at me like I'm crazy to be walking around trying to get everyone sick.
Even though it is the exact opposite of that! I'm protecting you more than myself!
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Such is the privilege of people. "BUT THIS IS WHATS IMPORTANT!"
pleasepaypreacher.net
The phone line doesn't have a call queue, you get just a message that everyone is busy try calling again later. She's been trying for 4 days now to get them to answer with no luck.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Contact your state reps office?
I mean it's not like there's anything anyone can do.
New UI claims are like 6x higher then they've ever been.
It just sucks.
(Also I actually did reach out to my state reps on a different issue a while back... they don't care, they're not in session.)
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
And I bet Washington's is one of the better ones across the country.
I thought there was a city? Country? that was doing that as well. So...at some point soon?
They could, and should, have paid unemployment benefits straight to companies and had their HR teams arrange payments to workers like they are doing in Europe. No need for workers to do anything, paychecks just keep coming albeit smaller.
Woosh, I am super skeptical of US companies being reliable enough entities for that to work and not shaft a lot of workers.
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I would expect significant malfeasance by the companies to steal as much of those paychecks as they can get away with.
Based on ample evidence of wage-stealing that is only spottily enforced, especially in food service.
Kind of funny where im at though. We still have snow covering our burn pile.
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It would be better to have a massive amount of wage theft (which could be HARSHLY punished post pandemic) and to have a solid fraction of workers retain their ties to their companies, receive checks from their normal sources, and not have to worry about the stress and panic of an overloaded benefits system. Some US companies are malicious, to the point that they would steal wages in a pandemic, most are not and would pay them. As they are in pretty much every northern european country, including the UK.
Its a massively better idea for furloughed workers.
Also, in other news, West Seattle Bridge basically needs a total replacement at this point. Right now, we'd have to spend 2 years on repairs just to get another 10 years.
https://westseattleblog.com/2020/04/happening-now-west-seattle-bridge-may-not-be-fixable-says-sdot-even-if-it-is-closure-will-last-at-least-until-2022/
it's larger than you think, and goddamn it's hard to remember
I know a teacher or two in West Seattle, as well. When school finally... exists again it's going to make a hard as hell job even harder.
Knowing Seattle, this will just lead to higher rent.
"The West Seattle bridge 35 years old and broke - a true millennial."
Probably when it was conceived the load was different than it got. It always seems like when things fail early like this the previous estimate was based on a travel load that was not at all the reality.
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There's also the whole "oh by the way, YOU LIVE ON A HUGE FUCKING FAULT THAT MAKES THE SAN ANDREAS LOOK LIKE A SIDEWAY CRACK" problem