Congressional Investigations Into Trump White House

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Anyway, don't worry guys, Barr is still up to shit


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    Hopefully the judge won't accept Flynn's plea reversal and that won't matter.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Anyway, don't worry guys, Barr is still up to shit


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    The criminal case where he admitted to being guilty of committing crimes?

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    It's cool Trump said he wasn't directly interfering in justice, he could, but he's not, but he could, but he's not.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • Senna1Senna1 Registered User regular
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Narcissist's rules: he can do whatever he wants, and is never wrong.

    Unfortunately, the party has gone all-in on enabling him.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    I believe that the majority of prosecutors in this country are self-serving scum. Maybe pettiness would entice them to act in the interest of public good, but most of them will keep to the shadows like rats.

    If someone wants to poke holes through my barrel of cynicism, I'm all ears.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Hoz wrote: »
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    I believe that the majority of prosecutors in this country are self-serving scum. Maybe pettiness would entice them to act in the interest of public good, but most of them will keep to the shadows like rats.

    If someone wants to poke holes through my barrel of cynicism, I'm all ears.

    Literally the story that started this tangent? Like, the entire news story about Barr's interference in the prosecution on Trump's behalf and the prosecutor's reaction to that is the opposite of what you are claiming here.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    It’s worth remembering by the way that McCabe was accused of leaking damaging information to the press about the investigation into Hillary Clinton, not of leaking anything about Trump. The only reason Trump became obsessed with him was because is wife is a Democrat who ran for office in Virginia.

    And I'm pretty sure this entire investigation against him is to blunt his lawsuit for wrongful termination or whatever specific thing it would fall under.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Hoz wrote: »
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    I believe that the majority of prosecutors in this country are self-serving scum. Maybe pettiness would entice them to act in the interest of public good, but most of them will keep to the shadows like rats.

    If someone wants to poke holes through my barrel of cynicism, I'm all ears.

    the fuck

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited February 14
    shryke wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    I believe that the majority of prosecutors in this country are self-serving scum. Maybe pettiness would entice them to act in the interest of public good, but most of them will keep to the shadows like rats.

    If someone wants to poke holes through my barrel of cynicism, I'm all ears.

    Literally the story that started this tangent? Like, the entire news story about Barr's interference in the prosecution on Trump's behalf and the prosecutor's reaction to that is the opposite of what you are claiming here.

    Yes, the resignations. I think most of them will land in lucrative positions in the private sector and they knew that when they resigned.

    Now I can't claim that they wouldn't have done the same if that wasn't the case. And I'm glad they did what they did. But there is no true belief of sacrifice on their part, as things stand.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    I believe that the majority of prosecutors in this country are self-serving scum. Maybe pettiness would entice them to act in the interest of public good, but most of them will keep to the shadows like rats.

    If someone wants to poke holes through my barrel of cynicism, I'm all ears.

    the fuck

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    I believe that the majority of prosecutors in this country are self-serving scum. Maybe pettiness would entice them to act in the interest of public good, but most of them will keep to the shadows like rats.

    If someone wants to poke holes through my barrel of cynicism, I'm all ears.

    the fuck

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    It’s also asking them to prove a negative.
    “prove to me that the majority of prosecutors in this country aren’t self-serving scum“.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Hoz wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    I believe that the majority of prosecutors in this country are self-serving scum. Maybe pettiness would entice them to act in the interest of public good, but most of them will keep to the shadows like rats.

    If someone wants to poke holes through my barrel of cynicism, I'm all ears.

    Literally the story that started this tangent? Like, the entire news story about Barr's interference in the prosecution on Trump's behalf and the prosecutor's reaction to that is the opposite of what you are claiming here.

    Yes, the resignations. I think most of them will land in lucrative positions in the private sector and they knew that when they resigned.

    Now I can't claim that they wouldn't have done the same if that wasn't the case. And I'm glad they did what they did. But there is no or a true belief of sacrifice on their part, as things stand.

    You don't need to live in a hair shirt to have morals.

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  • Senna1Senna1 Registered User regular
    Hoz wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    I believe that the majority of prosecutors in this country are self-serving scum. Maybe pettiness would entice them to act in the interest of public good, but most of them will keep to the shadows like rats.

    If someone wants to poke holes through my barrel of cynicism, I'm all ears.

    Literally the story that started this tangent? Like, the entire news story about Barr's interference in the prosecution on Trump's behalf and the prosecutor's reaction to that is the opposite of what you are claiming here.

    Yes, the resignations. I think most of them will land in lucrative positions in the private sector and they knew that when they resigned.

    Now I can't claim that they wouldn't have done the same if that wasn't the case. And I'm glad they did what they did. But there is no or a true belief of sacrifice on their part, as things stand.
    That is an argument against the very claim you made. They obviously chose a career in public service rather than that "lucrative private sector" position in the first place.

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  • Drake ChambersDrake Chambers Lay out my formal shorts. Registered User regular
    Hoz wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    I believe that the majority of prosecutors in this country are self-serving scum. Maybe pettiness would entice them to act in the interest of public good, but most of them will keep to the shadows like rats.

    If someone wants to poke holes through my barrel of cynicism, I'm all ears.

    Literally the story that started this tangent? Like, the entire news story about Barr's interference in the prosecution on Trump's behalf and the prosecutor's reaction to that is the opposite of what you are claiming here.

    Yes, the resignations. I think most of them will land in lucrative positions in the private sector and they knew that when they resigned.

    Now I can't claim that they wouldn't have done the same if that wasn't the case. And I'm glad they did what they did. But there is no or a true belief of sacrifice on their part, as things stand.

    So your assessment is that the lawyers who choose a career path that subjects them to greater oversight and ethical constraints than virtually any other position involving the practice of law, for far less money, are self-serving scum.

    I get that people have different views on government and law enforcement here, for many personal reasons, and I try to respect those differences even though some of the extreme views make me kind of sad. Your position is... confusingly extreme.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    The DoJ is obviously not perfect, but the rank and file careerists generally want to do good and believe in the rule of law.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-barr-complained-president-trump-weeks-tweets-public/story?id=68988960
    AG Barr complained to President Trump 'for weeks' about tweets before rebuking him, source says
    The source is just Barr making a funny voice.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Media buying this shit hook, line, and sinker

    Good job people, way to learn your lessons

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    This is kind of accelerationist thinking, though. If we try to force the administration to be more brazen about something, it just gets normalized, like every other goddamn thing they've done. And once it gets normalized, Trump just moves the bar even lower.

    The impeachment showed us there is nothing Trump can do that will not be supported by at least 52 GOP senators, and there is nothing he can do that won't be championed by the base. We should still investigate this shit, point it out, message on it, but trying to push Trump and his fuckos to dig deeper just means he'll commit additional atrocities until we can get him out.

    The only way out of this shit is to remove him. And the only way to remove him is to vote him out.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Like seriously, go look at any random conservative commentator if you want to see how effective Trump being a fucking dictator is at turning them against him. Half of them are talking about how amazing he is, and the other (much smaller) (shut up, I'm bad at fractions) half is saying how he's such an embarrassment, woe be to the republic, but they're going to vote for him anyway because fucking dems mirite.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Media buying this shit hook, line, and sinker

    Good job people, way to learn your lessons

    It's infuriating how often these charlie browns line up for Lucy. Shit she doesn't even have the football.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Media buying this shit hook, line, and sinker

    Good job people, way to learn your lessons

    It's infuriating how often these charlie browns line up for Lucy. Shit she doesn't even have the football.

    And explicitly tells you she doesn't have the football. But demands that Charlie run at the spot she points to, and attempt to kick it, regardless.

    And they line up to do it anyways, over and over again.

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  • Emerlmaster999Emerlmaster999 Registered User regular
    edited February 14
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Senna1 wrote: »
    I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that career investigators/prosecutors at DOJ are slightly pissed right now, and decided it would be a REAL SHAME if Barr was forced to publicly deal with another politically-charged hot potato RIGHT NOW, while he's already in the spotlight. If he's in the bag for Trump, he's going to have to come out and be so openly and obviously to do anything about this, or let McCabe go without retribution to maintain even the smallest semblance of a fig leaf of independence.

    Either way, it's the best they can do to protect McCabe, so I applaud it.

    This is kind of accelerationist thinking, though. If we try to force the administration to be more brazen about something, it just gets normalized, like every other goddamn thing they've done. And once it gets normalized, Trump just moves the bar even lower.

    The impeachment showed us there is nothing Trump can do that will not be supported by at least 52 GOP senators, and there is nothing he can do that won't be championed by the base. We should still investigate this shit, point it out, message on it, but trying to push Trump and his fuckos to dig deeper just means he'll commit additional atrocities until we can get him out.

    The only way out of this shit is to remove him. And the only way to remove him is to vote him out.

    And pray he either leaves the WH willingly, or the authorities drag his ass out when he refuses

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    I'm not sure I agree that we shouldn't push Trump and the GOP. The perceived benefit is that "things don't get worse" but that just feeds the narrative that there are still lines they won't cross and norms they will uphold. The past four years have been a constant demonstration that our democracy is broken and I'm not comfortable with trying to keep things calm so that we can somehow stuff the genie back in the bottle at a later date.

    It's no longer accelerationism in my mind. It's simply unmasking the monsters in our midst

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  • naengwennaengwen Registered User regular
    It's one thing to unmask the monsters, another thing entirely to hold them accountable. Otherwise the only lesson to learn is that they don't need the masks.

    Not a single one of them deserves a peaceful moment until they give up this charade.

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    Ringo wrote: »
    I'm not sure I agree that we shouldn't push Trump and the GOP. The perceived benefit is that "things don't get worse" but that just feeds the narrative that there are still lines they won't cross and norms they will uphold. The past four years have been a constant demonstration that our democracy is broken and I'm not comfortable with trying to keep things calm so that we can somehow stuff the genie back in the bottle at a later date.

    It's no longer accelerationism in my mind. It's simply unmasking the monsters in our midst

    I think it's more like trying to put a fire out with your big jug of water, then you realize it was actually gasoline, and now all you can really do is wait for the fire department. "But," you're suggesting, "we can't just do NOTHING, and maybe the gasoline will help THIS time..."

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  • FiggyFiggy Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    I'm not sure I agree that we shouldn't push Trump and the GOP. The perceived benefit is that "things don't get worse" but that just feeds the narrative that there are still lines they won't cross and norms they will uphold. The past four years have been a constant demonstration that our democracy is broken and I'm not comfortable with trying to keep things calm so that we can somehow stuff the genie back in the bottle at a later date.

    It's no longer accelerationism in my mind. It's simply unmasking the monsters in our midst

    I think it's more like trying to put a fire out with your big jug of water, then you realize it was actually gasoline, and now all you can really do is wait for the fire department. "But," you're suggesting, "we can't just do NOTHING, and maybe the gasoline will help THIS time..."

    But add to this the hope that everyone standing around will at some point start throwing sand on the flames. Just a bit more gas and they'll finally realize that fire is bad..

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Trump clearly likes the idea of being a king

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  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    So Trump's confirming that he's launching a campaign of grievance, persecution and resentment?
    I mean, I'm not surprised he's doing it, just him confirming it so easily.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited February 15
    I'm still waiting for the National Security Council to show us what "not tolerating" retaliation on Col Vindman looks like. What an embarrassment.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    So Trump's confirming that he's launching a campaign of grievance, persecution and resentment?
    I mean, I'm not surprised he's doing it, just him confirming it so easily.

    I mean, that was always his pitch?

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  • RingoRingo HE KEEPS REPEATING THE LINE I'M GONNA CRY BLEASE LET HIM LIVE YOU MADE ME WATCH SO MUCH KISSING IN THIS FILM LET INIGO LIVERegistered User regular
    Figgy wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    I'm not sure I agree that we shouldn't push Trump and the GOP. The perceived benefit is that "things don't get worse" but that just feeds the narrative that there are still lines they won't cross and norms they will uphold. The past four years have been a constant demonstration that our democracy is broken and I'm not comfortable with trying to keep things calm so that we can somehow stuff the genie back in the bottle at a later date.

    It's no longer accelerationism in my mind. It's simply unmasking the monsters in our midst

    I think it's more like trying to put a fire out with your big jug of water, then you realize it was actually gasoline, and now all you can really do is wait for the fire department. "But," you're suggesting, "we can't just do NOTHING, and maybe the gasoline will help THIS time..."

    But add to this the hope that everyone standing around will at some point start throwing sand on the flames. Just a bit more gas and they'll finally realize that fire is bad..

    The major assumptions here that I have a hard time supporting are
    There is a fire department
    It is coming to save 'us'
    It is capable of saving 'us'

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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    edited February 15
    klemming wrote: »
    So Trump's confirming that he's launching a campaign of grievance, persecution and resentment?
    I mean, I'm not surprised he's doing it, just him confirming it so easily.

    You're surprised that trump would campaign on naked pettiness? After the past 4 years?

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    Richy wrote: »
    But I think the resistance I’m getting more has to do with “rawr! Loklar said it! Rage!” than anything else.

    No, it has to do with the fact that you're done nothing but throw lies, blatant flasehoods, and downright dumb statements at us so far.
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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Ringo wrote: »
    Figgy wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    I'm not sure I agree that we shouldn't push Trump and the GOP. The perceived benefit is that "things don't get worse" but that just feeds the narrative that there are still lines they won't cross and norms they will uphold. The past four years have been a constant demonstration that our democracy is broken and I'm not comfortable with trying to keep things calm so that we can somehow stuff the genie back in the bottle at a later date.

    It's no longer accelerationism in my mind. It's simply unmasking the monsters in our midst

    I think it's more like trying to put a fire out with your big jug of water, then you realize it was actually gasoline, and now all you can really do is wait for the fire department. "But," you're suggesting, "we can't just do NOTHING, and maybe the gasoline will help THIS time..."

    But add to this the hope that everyone standing around will at some point start throwing sand on the flames. Just a bit more gas and they'll finally realize that fire is bad..

    The major assumptions here that I have a hard time supporting are
    There is a fire department
    It is coming to save 'us'
    It is capable of saving 'us'

    The fire department is the election.
    The thing that will save us is voting him out.

    Admittedly, a third of our fire department are arsonists themselves, and another third don't really care about all this boring fire fighting stuff.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    And there is the worrying possibility that we'll get there and find out that someone has slashed all our hoses. :(

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  • H0b0manH0b0man Registered User regular
    The best part of voting is getting to slide down the pole.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    H0b0man wrote: »
    The best part of voting is getting to slide down the pole.

    "Hey! Does this still work?"

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    awww, your polling place has an actual pole?

    one drawback of voting by mail. :(

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