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[Mueller Investigation] Mueller Report: Trump not NOT a criminal
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The redacted report: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
Searchable redacted report: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5955210/Redacted-Mueller-Report.pdf
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The investigation continues. Stay on topic to Mueller's investigation.
Other investigations of Trump have their own separate threads.
Do not speculate about impeachment in this thread until actual articles of impeachment are seriously pursued, at which point it will no longer be speculation, will it?
Here's a mostly updated giant timeline: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/russia-timeline/
Previously, on Mueller:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/paul-manafort-sentencing-virginia-case-russia-investigation/index.html
Searchable redacted report: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5955210/Redacted-Mueller-Report.pdf
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The investigation continues. Stay on topic to Mueller's investigation.
Other investigations of Trump have their own separate threads.
Do not speculate about impeachment in this thread until actual articles of impeachment are seriously pursued, at which point it will no longer be speculation, will it?
Here's a mostly updated giant timeline: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/russia-timeline/
Previously, on Mueller:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/paul-manafort-sentencing-virginia-case-russia-investigation/index.html
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Especially with Speaker Pelosi kicking the idea in the teeth yesterday.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/11/politics/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-comment/index.html
While she may not have McConnell's "Fuck you, that's why" attitude to bringing things to the floor, she still has enough influence to make it a non-starter without an overwhelming Republican demand. And that's not going to happen.
While I’d like Trump to be impeached, election season is starting soon and it would be a risk to pursue articles of impeachment that have no chance of passing the Senate at this time.
All it would do is distract from the Mueller investigation (and all the other Trump corruption scandals) as well as feeding Trump’s persecution complex.
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Best not miss and all that.
She is very good at saying exactly what she wants to say.
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That is tomorrow I believe.
Honest question, it intrigues me.
It’s part of the checks and balances for the executive against the judicial. It’s meant to correct miscarriages of justice, not be abused for personal gain.
Except, well, Trump.
Also, a pardon doesn’t make you innocent, but just takes away your sentence. So accepting a pardon is also an of acceptance of guilt. So you lose certain rights, specifically 5th amendment rights pertaining to what you were pardoned for. However, that’s never been challenged in court before, because it’s rarely a power that is abused.
Except again, Trump.
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I believe that in part it is an attempt to provide the executive a check against the judicial system.
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To give people a way out of rebellions
Especially since Bush 1 is right there. Pardoned Iran/Contra conspirators right before they where sentenced so they couldn't testify against him.
Or Ford pardoning Nixon allowing him to walk away from Watergate without a day in jail. That one might not have been a direct abuse of power, but it hurt the US in the long run. Honestly, the idea that a president could spend time in Jail for shit they did in office would have a serious chilling effect on abuses of power.
Well I didn’t say “never” :P
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So remember how we were worried that the new AG would fuck with the Mueller investigations funds as a way to limit it? Well that so far has not happened. In fact, Mueller’s investigation is funded all the way until September. So that’s something at least, but I guess we need to see what happens as September approaches.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-budget-mueller/mueller-probe-already-financed-through-september-officials-idUSKBN1QS2QB
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It really seemed like it was happening!
I propose a new scientific theory called Trump’s Law; If Trump says it, the most likely possible states of the content are either false, or true in the sense that Trump himself did it and is projecting.
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Unless Mueller himself actually says he's done something or is going to do it, don't believe it.
People who aren't part of the special counsel know nothing, as we know the SC isn't letting out a peep unless they want to.
I don't trust anyone who says they know what Mueller and company are doing. They're shooting in the dark and trying to be seers so if they happen to be right, they look smart or connected. But it seems like no one really is.
Which is how it should be. I want the SC to work unheard of in the background so they can continue their extremely important work unopposed and unfucked with.
Zoe is a courts and justice reporter for Buzzfeed News.
As an unrelated aside this current thread title almost sounds like a porno?
I wouldn't get your consecutive sentence hopes too far up. Though note that while the bank fraud stuff basically has to be concurrent because it was the same stuff as last weeks stuff the witness tampering could be made to run consecutively.
Tillman is a Buzzfeed legal reporter and is live tweeting events today.
He deserves so much more, but 10 years is probably close to a life sentence for a guy like him, and running them concurrent weakens any pushback that this was some “liberal judge, out for revenge for last week”.
Yeah, but they will whine regardless.
Then we get this:
I need some popcorn, quick!
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Yeah, this shit is going to happen anyway and it goes back to the overarching theme that Democrats still appear to give a shit about the appearance of norms.
I hope he gets dunked with the maximum so that between the two sentences one ends up laughably light and the other is the maximum so between the two you would have an average oubishment.
Yes, literally within the next few minutes.
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Yes, and her current comments are not painting a rosey picture for Manafort. She is laying into him pretty harshly.
If you click on the twitter post a few spots above, the reporter there is giving a pretty good running diary of what’s happening.
I'm a little filled with hope that this judge will get shit right given the above tweet citation.
Funny you should mention that. The judge was just commenting to Manafort how strange it was that he didn’t write her a letter expressing his regret and/or remorse.
She then goes on to say that it’s fairly common and she’s gotten such letters from defendants who hadn’t yet finished high school, and from some that didn’t even speak English as a first language.
He's getting ripped to shreds.
AKA I'm white, I shouldn't have to do that!
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The acting AG was a super stooge that proved himself pretty brazen even for this administration's standards so your fear was entirely well founded.