Club PA 2.0 has arrived! If you'd like to access some extra PA content and help support the forums, check it out at patreon.com/ClubPA
The image size limit has been raised to 1mb! Anything larger than that should be linked to. This is a HARD limit, please do not abuse it.
Our new Indie Games subforum is now open for business in G&T. Go and check it out, you might land a code for a free game. If you're developing an indie game and want to post about it, follow these directions. If you don't, he'll break your legs! Hahaha! Seriously though.
Our rules have been updated and given their own forum. Go and look at them! They are nice, and there may be new ones that you didn't know about! Hooray for rules! Hooray for The System! Hooray for Conforming!

[Freedom Of Speech]: More Than The First Amendment

1474850525357

Posts

  • milskimilski UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Tencent has fingers in a lot of pies, but they aren't magic, they can't make companies dance on a whim.

    This week's events suggest otherwise, as Tencent was leading the charge to rebuke the Rockets, offering Chinese Rockets fans who paid for one team streaming to switch teams at no extra charge; and was very likely part of the decision to ban Ng Wai. The fact that they have so many connections both in and out of China gives them a good deal of power.

    Tencent has plenty of influence, but they do not have control over companies merely because of investment in them as has been implied.

    The fact that Reddit is super angry at China while the NBA caved to them despite similar stakes by Tencent is proof of that, or how deferential Blizzard is to China compared to Epic despite tencent's larger investment in Epic. The key factor is "how much do they care about China supporting them", not "does Tencent own a partial stake."

    You can't write me off like that! You're just a voice, pal! You don't know a DAMN THING ABOUT RACING!!
    TryCatcherSleepJuliusDarkPrimusGnome-InterruptusKristmas Kthulhu
  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    From China regarding the NBA:

    "We don't believe in freedom of speech."

    Simplified.

    That's not really a good simplification imo. Everyone has limits to freedom of speech. China's is significantly more restricting, and I think it's best to stick with the truth. Otherwise you start having to argue about why your invisible line is better than their invisible line, and that's a losing argument even if you "win".

    PA HotS Group
    Battle.net ID: kime#1822
    3DS Friend Code: 3110-5393-4113
    Steam profile
    HefflingForarJuliusFANTOMASMegaMek
  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Epic put out a statement supporting freedom of speech for players and creators, and they are 40% controlled by Tencent.

    Maybe reconsider making a single Chinese company out to be some sort of Machiavellian puppet-master making everyone dance to their tune, rather than considering that all corporations are amoral machines that care about profit more than what is just or correct.

    Yes, I recognize this means the companies speaking out in solidarity or support of freedom of speech are also doing it as a calculated move.
    Epic is still majority held by Sweeney, though. Tencent does not have a controlling interest. They can sell their shares, but Sweeney calls the shots.

    And if the Chinese government asks Tencent to do something, they do it.

    I didn't realize this. I had assumed that Epic was publicaly traded, in which case 40% is effectively majority control. My bad.

    If a movement doesn't have someone that can sit down opposite those in a position of power and strike a deal, how can that movement achieve success?
  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    From China regarding the NBA:

    "We don't believe in freedom of speech."

    Simplified.

    That's not really a good simplification imo.

    I completely disagree. The Chinese government does not recognize freedom of speech; the whole point of freedom of speech is that it is there to protect speech which "challenges national sovereignty and social stability."

    omgbfz5lzi1s.png
    Steam: Elvenshae // PSN: Elvenshae // WotC: Elvenshae
    The Disappearance of Inigo Sharpe: Tomas à Dunsanin
    LanlaornMan in the MistsMrMisterEmerlmaster999IncenjucarthatassemblyguyMoridin889SyphonBlueKristmas KthulhuFencingsaxBlackDragon480MrVyngaard
  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    From China regarding the NBA:

    "We don't believe in freedom of speech."

    Simplified.

    That's not really a good simplification imo.

    I completely disagree. The Chinese government does not recognize freedom of speech; the whole point of freedom of speech is that it is there to protect speech which "challenges national sovereignty and social stability."

    Freedom of speech is more than just "can talk bad about the government." Like, this is a thread about freedom of speech and "talk bad about the government" is a small amount of what we've talked about! The OP, in fact, is about something else entirely: too much freedom of speech specifically with private entities. Nothing at all to do with national sovereignty or social stability.

    PA HotS Group
    Battle.net ID: kime#1822
    3DS Friend Code: 3110-5393-4113
    Steam profile
    Julius
  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited October 9
    Heffling wrote: »
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Epic put out a statement supporting freedom of speech for players and creators, and they are 40% controlled by Tencent.

    Maybe reconsider making a single Chinese company out to be some sort of Machiavellian puppet-master making everyone dance to their tune, rather than considering that all corporations are amoral machines that care about profit more than what is just or correct.

    Yes, I recognize this means the companies speaking out in solidarity or support of freedom of speech are also doing it as a calculated move.
    Epic is still majority held by Sweeney, though. Tencent does not have a controlling interest. They can sell their shares, but Sweeney calls the shots.

    And if the Chinese government asks Tencent to do something, they do it.

    I didn't realize this. I had assumed that Epic was publicaly traded, in which case 40% is effectively majority control. My bad.

    Tencent does have substantial control over nominations to the board. In ten years this same situation could have played out *very* differently, since a united board still has ways to act against a majority shareholder, but as the board stands Epic is one of the few in the industry that's made up of actual industry people, so I don't see there being any traction there (Activision/Blizzard, on the other hand, has a board of directors that includes a former sports team owner and a guy whose entire resume is a litany of candy and snack companies and then suddenly ATVI down at the bottom).

    There's *technically* some recourse for significant minority shareholders like this to claim that the majority shareholder is acting counter to their investment, but have fun trying to make that fly in a US court in this case, it's hard enough to pull off when CEOs are literally burning the forest around them.

    Hevach on
  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    From China regarding the NBA:

    "We don't believe in freedom of speech."

    Simplified.

    That's not really a good simplification imo.

    I completely disagree. The Chinese government does not recognize freedom of speech; the whole point of freedom of speech is that it is there to protect speech which "challenges national sovereignty and social stability."

    Freedom of speech is more than just "can talk bad about the government." Like, this is a thread about freedom of speech and "talk bad about the government" is a small amount of what we've talked about! The OP, in fact, is about something else entirely: too much freedom of speech specifically with private entities. Nothing at all to do with national sovereignty or social stability.

    Government critical speech describes the incentive for the government to restrict speech, and the government is in control of free speech regulation. Therefore, government critical speech is indirectly related to all speech issues, including actions taken to regulate other speech topics.

    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
    Elvenshae
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 9
    What the Chinese government thinks challenges social stability is whatever speech the government does not like. This is not just speech critical of the government but also anything that might make the government look terrible.

    Couscous on
    TryCatcherPhoenix-DCantidoElvenshaeCommander ZoomLord_AsmodeusMan in the MistsDee KaeEmerlmaster999IncenjucarGnome-InterruptusMoridin889EncSyphonBlueKristmas KthulhuFencingsaxBlackDragon480
  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Heffling wrote: »
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Epic put out a statement supporting freedom of speech for players and creators, and they are 40% controlled by Tencent.

    Maybe reconsider making a single Chinese company out to be some sort of Machiavellian puppet-master making everyone dance to their tune, rather than considering that all corporations are amoral machines that care about profit more than what is just or correct.

    Yes, I recognize this means the companies speaking out in solidarity or support of freedom of speech are also doing it as a calculated move.
    Epic is still majority held by Sweeney, though. Tencent does not have a controlling interest. They can sell their shares, but Sweeney calls the shots.

    And if the Chinese government asks Tencent to do something, they do it.

    I didn't realize this. I had assumed that Epic was publicaly traded, in which case 40% is effectively majority control. My bad.

    Tencent does have substantial control over nominations to the board. In ten years this same situation could have played out *very* differently, since a united board still has ways to act against a majority shareholder, but as the board stands Epic is one of the few in the industry that's made up of actual industry people, so I don't see there being any traction there (Activision/Blizzard, on the other hand, has a board of directors that includes a former sports team owner and a guy whose entire resume is a litany of candy and snack companies and then suddenly ATVI down at the bottom).

    There's *technically* some recourse for significant minority shareholders like this to claim that the majority shareholder is acting counter to their investment, but have fun trying to make that fly in a US court in this case, it's hard enough to pull off when CEOs are literally burning the forest around them.

    They don't have to make it in a US court. They could make the argument in a Chinese court, and it would be on the company to decide if it's worth giving up the China market to defy the Chinese court requirements.

    It is entirely possible I am being alarmist, but I've also seen how the EU has been able to dictate requirements to the US. Especially over things that gaming is sensitive too (EULA, for example). And I'm not saying what the EU has done is bad, but any time something good can be done, something bad can also be done.

    If a movement doesn't have someone that can sit down opposite those in a position of power and strike a deal, how can that movement achieve success?
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 9
    Xi expects journalists to “love the party, protect the party, and closely align themselves with the party leadership in thought, politics and action.”

    The various English language editorials make it obvious what China means by free speech.

    http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0224/c98649-9020663.html
    As a matter of fact, China has been placing importance on the guiding role of media since the founding of the Communist Party of China.

    It was Mao Zedong, one of the founding fathers of the Party, who once said that media and military power have equal importance. Mao was also the first to coin the term “statesman-run newspapers,” meaning that the Party should guide public opinion through media.
    When it comes to the international arena, China, with its rising standing, is always the subject of worldwide speculation. Its every move is watched by global media.

    However, China still has a relatively weak voice in the international community. Given that there are barely any Chinese media outlets with strong international influence that can tell the “Chinese story,” China’s voice can barely be heard on the international stage.

    Thus, the Party is encouraging state-run media to guide public opinion by focusing more on innovative approaches in line with new trends in the media industry--not imposing more restraints.

    China's ongoing reform calls for an urgent change in public opinion, ideology and intellectual support. All media should make efforts to implement the principle and direction set forth by the central government.

    In the next few years, Chinese media will enter a promising future.
    It is the duty of the press to follow the party and the non-state run news journalist better hope for mercy if they deviate. They are going against the government if they deviate.

    Couscous on
    Commander ZoomElvenshaeLord_AsmodeusYoutubeKristmas KthulhuFencingsaxMegaMek
  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus premium Registered User regular
    edited October 9
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Epic put out a statement supporting freedom of speech for players and creators, and they are 40% controlled by Tencent.

    Maybe reconsider making a single Chinese company out to be some sort of Machiavellian puppet-master making everyone dance to their tune, rather than considering that all corporations are amoral machines that care about profit more than what is just or correct.

    Yes, I recognize this means the companies speaking out in solidarity or support of freedom of speech are also doing it as a calculated move.
    Epic is still majority held by Sweeney, though. Tencent does not have a controlling interest. They can sell their shares, but Sweeney calls the shots.

    And if the Chinese government asks Tencent to do something, they do it.

    I can do math, and so know that 25% in Activion-Blizzard is also not a controlling interest.

    I also know that companies that aren't Chinese, but have operations/interests in China will also accommodate the Chinese government when asked. Because that's what I've said several times now in this thread, including the very post you quoted.

    So you're going to need to try again to convince me that Tencent is the evil wizard that casts the magic spell to make companies do things that China wants.

    DarkPrimus on
    dt3GeqU.png
    Gamertag: PrimusD | Rock Band DLC | GW:OttW - arrcd | WLD - Thortar
  • JuliusJulius Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    From China regarding the NBA:

    "We don't believe in freedom of speech."

    Simplified.

    That's not really a good simplification imo.

    I completely disagree. The Chinese government does not recognize freedom of speech; the whole point of freedom of speech is that it is there to protect speech which "challenges national sovereignty and social stability."

    Freedom of speech is more than just "can talk bad about the government." Like, this is a thread about freedom of speech and "talk bad about the government" is a small amount of what we've talked about! The OP, in fact, is about something else entirely: too much freedom of speech specifically with private entities. Nothing at all to do with national sovereignty or social stability.

    yeah especially in the context of this thread this kind of simplification is dumb. Freedom of speech is clearly not binary, and presenting it as such is harmful both to debate and to our ability to understand other nations and people.

  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Epic put out a statement supporting freedom of speech for players and creators, and they are 40% controlled by Tencent.

    Maybe reconsider making a single Chinese company out to be some sort of Machiavellian puppet-master making everyone dance to their tune, rather than considering that all corporations are amoral machines that care about profit more than what is just or correct.

    Yes, I recognize this means the companies speaking out in solidarity or support of freedom of speech are also doing it as a calculated move.
    Epic is still majority held by Sweeney, though. Tencent does not have a controlling interest. They can sell their shares, but Sweeney calls the shots.

    And if the Chinese government asks Tencent to do something, they do it.

    I can do math, and so know that 25% in Activion-Blizzard is also not a controlling interest.

    I also know that companies that aren't Chinese, but have operations/interests in China will also accommodate the Chinese government when asked. Because that's what I've said several times now in this thread, including the very post you quoted.

    So you're going to need to try again to convince me that Tencent is the evil wizard that casts the magic spell to make companies do things that China wants.

    Activision-Blizzard has more Chinese connection than just Tencent. Honestly, Netease is probably even more of a influence, because several of Blizzard's biggest games are localized and run in China by them. They also have a much bigger presence in China than Epic's token office.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    China literally censors Winnie the Pooh because people think he looks like their Dear Leader.

    ElvenshaePolaritieAimCantidoCommander ZoomCouscousspool32NeveronMan in the MistsKristmas KthulhuLord_AsmodeusFencingsaxBlackDragon480
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    CNN reporter:


    Well, that is a very bipartisan group.

    XaquinElvenshaeKamarTryCatcherMrMisterMoridin889ShadowfireStabbity StyleMan in the MistsKristmas KthulhuLord_AsmodeusFencingsaxBlackDragon480
  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    CNN reporter:


    Well, that is a very bipartisan group.

    Free speech is one of the few things there is wide bipartisan agreement on.

    Steam: Polaritie
    3DS: 0473-8507-2652
    Switch: SW-5185-4991-5118
    PSN: AbEntropy
    ElvenshaeEmperorSethspool32ShadowfireMan in the MistsLord_AsmodeusFencingsax
  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    Prout retweet on Trump's Twitter account:


    "B-b-but Trump is...". Well, we already established that the NBA is fine with sucking dick, and they decided that Xinnie Pooh's tasted better, so....

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus premium Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    CNN reporter:


    Well, that is a very bipartisan group.

    Free speech is one of the few things there is wide bipartisan agreement on.

    Ostensibly.

    dt3GeqU.png
    Gamertag: PrimusD | Rock Band DLC | GW:OttW - arrcd | WLD - Thortar
    JuliusPhoenix-DStyrofoam SammichKristmas KthulhuMegaMek
  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    CNN reporter:


    Well, that is a very bipartisan group.

    Free speech is one of the few things there is wide bipartisan agreement on.

    As long as you arent a minority kneeling quietly during the anthem.

    steam_sig.png
    MWO: Adamski
    JuliusAistanXaquinCouscousKruiteGennenalyse RuebenAridholMoridin889TetraNitroCubaneIncenjucarElvenshaeTetraRayJragghenDee KaeJaysonFourForarCantidoNyysjanEncKamarAngelHedgieShadowfireYoutubeStabbity StyleSyphonBlueAimNo-QuarterCaptain InertiaVishNubkimeMartini_PhilosopherMan in the MistsTNTrooperEmerlmaster999QuidKoopahTroopahCommander ZoomHappy Little MachineKristmas KthulhuLord_AsmodeusFencingsaxBlackDragon480MrVyngaarddurandal4532GONG-00doomybearOut Of ContextMegaMekredx
  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    edited October 10
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    I can do math, and so know that 25% in Activion-Blizzard is also not a controlling interest.

    I also know that companies that aren't Chinese, but have operations/interests in China will also accommodate the Chinese government when asked. Because that's what I've said several times now in this thread, including the very post you quoted.

    So you're going to need to try again to convince me that Tencent is the evil wizard that casts the magic spell to make companies do things that China wants.
    Activision Blizzard is not a private company, though.

    I was mostly responding to your example of Tencent and Epic, which was invalid due to how Epic is set up currently. That being said, if you honestly think Tencent won't do what the Chinese government wants, I don't know what else there is to discuss besides asking you to look at how China and their state corporations run.

    There's a reason Huawei was a big focus of attention.

    Bizazedo on
    XBL: Bizazedo
    PSN: Bizazedo
    CFN: Bizazedo (I don't think I suck, add me).
  • BronzeKoopaBronzeKoopa Registered User regular
    Been seeing tweets about Blizzard blocking users from deleting their accounts to boycott them, I imagine to keep their subscriber numbers looking good,

    Gnome-InterruptusMan in the MistsBlackDragon480
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Been seeing tweets about Blizzard blocking users from deleting their accounts to boycott them, I imagine to keep their subscriber numbers looking good,


    wouldn't that be illegal?

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Been seeing tweets about Blizzard blocking users from deleting their accounts to boycott them, I imagine to keep their subscriber numbers looking good,


    This was quickly fixed, looks like it might have actually been an honest to god server issue.

    WiiU: Windrunner ; Guild Wars 2: Shadowfire.3940 ; PSN: Bradcopter
    Stabbity Style
  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Been seeing tweets about Blizzard blocking users from deleting their accounts to boycott them, I imagine to keep their subscriber numbers looking good,


    No they aren't. It was most likely a server issue, probably due to being overloaded by a sudden influx of people suddenly deciding to cancel their accounts ~~~for unknown reasons~~~

    LxX6eco.jpg
    PSN/Steam/NNID: SyphonBlue | BNet: SyphonBlue#1126
    destroyah87No-QuarterShadowfireAridholElvenshaeCommander ZoomJaysonFourKristmas Kthulhu
  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    I still can't believe Blizzard hasn't commented. The amount of time that has gone by with zero comment is just unreal in this day and age. They must really have no idea what to do.

    XBL: Bizazedo
    PSN: Bizazedo
    CFN: Bizazedo (I don't think I suck, add me).
    SyphonBlueKamarkimeMan in the MistsKoopahTroopahLord_AsmodeusFencingsax
  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    I hope Blizzcon is a disaster for them.

    I'm so over Blizzard. What a shame.

    EncYoutubeChiselphaneElvenshaeTetraNitroCubaneEmerlmaster999Stabbity StyleDee KaeMoridin889JaysonFourKristmas KthulhuBlackDragon480MegaMek
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    I still can't believe Blizzard hasn't commented. The amount of time that has gone by with zero comment is just unreal in this day and age. They must really have no idea what to do.

    It's not surprising - they've had a fanbase that's basically backed them for decades, and so they thought that they would be able to weather this. They were not expecting to be turned on so utterly.

    XBL: Nox Aeternum / PSN: NoxAeternum / NN:NoxAeternum / Steam: noxaeternum
    SleepTryCatcherkimeMan in the MistsEncYoutubeElvenshaeStabbity StyleMoridin889Kristmas KthulhuLord_AsmodeusFencingsaxHeffling
  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    I still can't believe Blizzard hasn't commented. The amount of time that has gone by with zero comment is just unreal in this day and age. They must really have no idea what to do.

    At this point, I don't think they will say something at all. Their Chinese overlords have spoken, and now they're hunkered down and waiting for this to all blow over.

    LxX6eco.jpg
    PSN/Steam/NNID: SyphonBlue | BNet: SyphonBlue#1126
    SleepTryCatcherkimeYoutubeElvenshaePreacherEmerlmaster999Commander ZoomStabbity StyleKristmas KthulhuLord_AsmodeusFencingsaxMegaMek
  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    They were probably so pumped this year to be able to get over what happened last year, they had their statement prepped to be so humble and self-deprecating to get back in good graces after the "out of season April fools day prank," ready to take a knee and get back in peoples' good graces.

    And then they go and do this a month out.

    Switch Friend Code: SW - 5443 - 2358 - 9118 || 3DS Friend Code: 0989 - 1731 - 9504 || NNID: unclesporky
    CantidoSleepTryCatcherkimeMartini_PhilosopherMan in the MistsShadowfireElvenshaeStabbity StyleMoridin889Lord_AsmodeusFencingsax
  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    They think the trailers at Blizzcon will do the work for them.

    3DS Friendcode 5413-1311-3767
    SleepEmerlmaster999JaysonFourFencingsaxMegaMek
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Went to delete my blizz account but apparently the only way for me to do so is send them a picture of my drivers license?!

    eff that

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Went to delete my blizz account but apparently the only way for me to do so is send them a picture of my drivers license?!

    eff that

    Don't delete your account. You already paid for those games. Just don't subscribe or buy more in the future.

    LxX6eco.jpg
    PSN/Steam/NNID: SyphonBlue | BNet: SyphonBlue#1126
    SleepAngelHedgieTryCatcherMan in the MistsShadowfireElvenshaeMillKoopahTroopahStabbity StyleJaysonFourKristmas KthulhuLord_AsmodeusFencingsaxGennenalyse Rueben
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Went to delete my blizz account but apparently the only way for me to do so is send them a picture of my drivers license?!

    eff that

    Don't delete your account. You already paid for those games. Just don't subscribe or buy more in the future.

    honestly, I never play them

    the only blizzard game I really wouldn't mind going back to would be Diablo 1 and I have several copies of that

    Kristmas Kthulhu
  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    From Reddit, so grain of salt as to veracity, but apparently changing your Battletag to FreeHongKong violates their naming guidelines.

    mdl0o2pgolr31.png

    Not going to test it, but if true....interesting.

    XBL: Bizazedo
    PSN: Bizazedo
    CFN: Bizazedo (I don't think I suck, add me).
  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus premium Registered User regular
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    I can do math, and so know that 25% in Activion-Blizzard is also not a controlling interest.

    I also know that companies that aren't Chinese, but have operations/interests in China will also accommodate the Chinese government when asked. Because that's what I've said several times now in this thread, including the very post you quoted.

    So you're going to need to try again to convince me that Tencent is the evil wizard that casts the magic spell to make companies do things that China wants.
    Activision Blizzard is not a private company, though.

    I was mostly responding to your example of Tencent and Epic, which was invalid due to how Epic is set up currently. That being said, if you honestly think Tencent won't do what the Chinese government wants, I don't know what else there is to discuss besides asking you to look at how China and their state corporations run.

    There's a reason Huawei was a big focus of attention.

    Go back and re-read my posts because there's no way they suggest anything of the sort.

    dt3GeqU.png
    Gamertag: PrimusD | Rock Band DLC | GW:OttW - arrcd | WLD - Thortar
  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    From Reddit, so grain of salt as to veracity, but apparently changing your Battletag to FreeHongKong violates their naming guidelines.

    mdl0o2pgolr31.png

    Not going to test it, but if true....interesting.

    The Internet Hate Machine is currently going full bore, so I would take things like this with a giant grain of salt unless you see it confirmed on a legitimate site.

    LxX6eco.jpg
    PSN/Steam/NNID: SyphonBlue | BNet: SyphonBlue#1126
    destroyah87PreacherQuidJuliusMrVyngaarddurandal4532ForarMegaMek
  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    edited October 10
    DarkPrimus wrote: »

    Go back and re-read my posts because there's no way they suggest anything of the sort.

    You're missing the point. Tencent is representative of the issue because they're buying / getting involved in numerous companies and take direction from the Chinese government. You're simplifying it to "Well, we were going to do this, but Tencent called and said not to."

    No. It's not that simple. It's more that if someone does A, they lose out on all of that sweet sweet Yuan of Tencent. Corporations want to avoid this as they like money, obviously, so they'll make sure Tencent is happy.

    Tencent is happy when China is happy.

    My reply to you was only that you misunderstood Epic and Tencent's relationship and didn't realize Epic was still a private company controlled by Sweeney and thus less influenced by losing all that sweet sweet Yuan because private companies are not solely bound to increasing value to shareholders. They're private, they can do what the controlling owners want (for the most part).

    That controlling owner is Sweeney.

    Your post I was replying to -
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    Epic put out a statement supporting freedom of speech for players and creators, and they are 40% controlled by Tencent.

    Maybe reconsider making a single Chinese company out to be some sort of Machiavellian puppet-master making everyone dance to their tune, rather than considering that all corporations are amoral machines that care about profit more than what is just or correct.

    That's what I was referring to, that your post about it involving Epic was incorrect.

    So, yeah, I did read your post :).

    Bizazedo on
    XBL: Bizazedo
    PSN: Bizazedo
    CFN: Bizazedo (I don't think I suck, add me).
  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus premium Registered User regular
    edited October 10
    You're saying Tencent is "representative" of the issue, despite all these other companies taking direction from the Chinese government without Tencent investing in them. Why are they singled out as representative, because they're a Chinese-based company? If so... how are they representative of, say, Disney, or Apple, or American Airlines, etc., all of whom have taken direction from the Chinese government and/or taken action of their own initiative because they knew that it would appease the Chinese government, because they wanted access to the Chinese market, not because they were being invested in by a Chinese-based company.

    DarkPrimus on
    dt3GeqU.png
    Gamertag: PrimusD | Rock Band DLC | GW:OttW - arrcd | WLD - Thortar
    Gnome-InterruptusHappy Little Machine
  • Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    Forget the Diablo Immortal faceplant, this is shaping up to be even worse than the RealID fiasco from the beginning of this decade.

    ElvenshaeCommander ZoomFencingsaxMegaMek
  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    The "too many attempts" thing happened to me a few days ago, it has nothing to do with the protests.

Sign In or Register to comment.