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Us! It's a Movie! [BEWARE, OPEN SPOILERS]
ElJeffe
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There's this movie out called "Us." It's by Jordan Peele. He did Get Out. It was pretty good and like won some awards or whatever.
Us is also supposed to be pretty good. I dunno, I haven't seen it.
Have you seen it? Cool, talk about that.
For the time being, please TAG ALL SPOILERS. Down the road, we'll open things up, but for now, please keep things tagged.
OPEN SPOILERS WOOOOOO
There's this movie out called "Us." It's by Jordan Peele. He did Get Out. It was pretty good and like won some awards or whatever.
Us is also supposed to be pretty good. I dunno, I haven't seen it.
Have you seen it? Cool, talk about that.
For the time being, please TAG ALL SPOILERS. Down the road, we'll open things up, but for now, please keep things tagged.
OPEN SPOILERS WOOOOOO
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I think trying to poke holes in the logistics and practicality of movies that don't claim to be realistic is a silly pursuit. Its like claiming Aesop's Fables don't make any zoological sense.
apparently universal put some of it on their official youtube in case you were fiending for that intro song like I was
to rehash my thoughts, really good, jordan peele is a virtuoso, only really have an issue with two things
i think a lot of people didn't like the twist and I also wasn't a fan of it. it felt unnecessary, like it was there to hammer home the message and thematics but it kinda scuffed the plot. I think part of the reason it is the script is otherwise so tight and the film does a wonderful job of setup, payoff, having everything work believably, but the twist stretches into the unbelievable (although the film does an admirable job of setting it up). It felt like the characters were acting around information they had to keep the audience in the dark, or you have to kinda just accept that they don't remember information for reasons.
Maybe on rewatch with a closer eye I'll catch some more setup for the reveal and it'll change how I feel. Still loved it though and it definitely confirms for me that Jordan Peele is a director whose movies I Will Watch.
That’s just not the point of the movie. You’re supposed to accept it like you accept fantastical elements in other movies - this is not our planet, it’s a planet where the government did semi-mystical research on millions of people underground, and the rules work differently as a result
It’s like when people complained about how the alien invasion was implausible in Quiet Place. That wasn’t the point of the movie, the point of that movie was there’s aliens now, here’s how this family deals with it
A movie where they stopped to explain this and that about the aliens would have been a slower and worse movie, probably
He put on his coat and was the first to arrive in the human chain, dripping blood from the murder
The full crowd experience definitely adds to the experience for movies like these. Instead of being annoyed at people talking, it's now a feature. I thought Us was fantastic.
One noticeable difference in crowd reaction:
Can't wait to see what Peele does next.
It is exactly the kind of statement that a young child would think is profound and meaningful, if they were buried away for 33 years with no outside contact
yeah it's not exactly a triumphant moment especially compared to get out
Still, very good movie, very fun at parts, extremely harrowing at others.
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Yeah, I was wondering this, too.
It strangely reminded me of recent debates I've seen online regarding "always chaotic evil" races in Dungeons & Dragons and the morality of fighting them, or of even featuring them at all.
I think where Get Out has a better concept and punch, Us is the better made movie. The pacing is really strong, its concept is incredibly interesting, the shots and call backs (tons of reoccurring themes and homages), it's just really good. I didn't really want to watch Get Out again after theaters, I 100% want to watch Us atleast once more.
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Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Perhaps you're more aware than average, but its not necessary for the upper class to be literally unaware of the working class's existence for the metaphor to do its thing.
We are beholden to the sins of our ancestors, and we will pay for lessons unlearned and promises broken.
Note: also interesting in that the passage makes reference to the Two House Theology of Israel and Judah
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Ok. So what? It explains why she didnt talk when they found her, she didn’t know how. It explains why she’s so against ever returning to Santa Cruz, because that’s where she escaped from.
It also explains why Red is so driven. She’s the one person in the film who has any idea what’s going on, but she can’t adequately explain it because she’s been living in a subterranean madhouse for the last ~27 years. And not only has she nearly forgotten how to speak in anything other than shrieks and moans, she’s concocted the following plan:
1. Dress all the crazy doppelgängers up like they’re Michael in the Thriller video.
2. Kill everyone they can find
3. Hold hands
4. ?????
5. Profit
Just...what is the point of all this? What’s the metaphor? Why do the doppelgangers exist? How are they connected to each other? Who made them? I realize I’m not supposed to ask these questions, I’m just supposed to be awestruck by the fancy camerawork and the attention to detail in the set decorations. But I can’t help it. The answers we were eventually given were disappointing and confusing, and just raised more substantive questions.
Anyway, that’s the stuff I didn’t like so much. What I did like: the cinematography, the music, the editing, and the performances. There was something that spoke to me about Winston Duke being allowed to be a goofy and corny dad on camera when he’d ordinarily be relegated to a silent background muscle role or the truculent gangster from Person of Interest.
And maybe that’s what this movie really is valuable for: showing a functional black middle class family who when you get down to it is not terribly different from the white middle class family we’re also shown.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
The twist at the end is important for driving this home. They ended up switching places through, as she describes it "an act of God", special only in circumstance. The entire system is equally irrational and unjust. Like any social uprising, its bloody and both simultaneously deeply personal for the revolutionaries and consciously fueled by impersonal injustice.
People get too hung up on the details, like the government plot. That's all just window dressing.
And if it’s all about a class struggle, then it’s a scathing indictment of the concept of revolution. Woohoo, everyone on the surface is dead and the Reds got to hold hands in a meaningless gesture, now what? Do you think a society based on the power of stabbing people in the face with scissors has any chance of surviving more than a few months?
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Its not an indictment of revolution, its just realizes that injustice breeds bloodshed. You'll hear more than one person say that there's no innocence in an unjust system. Think of it like the French Revolution. Did the population have just cause to revolt? Yuuuuup. Did they kill a lot of innocent people? Yuuuuup. Peele isn't condemning or condoning, he's putting the cycle of violence that a class based society breeds on a screen in lurid colors.
Adelaide Knew tho.
Especially at the end, when they were fighting in the hall and she kept dancing and seemingly toying with her double. She could have easily killed her multiple times and just didn’t.
She’s