I got 100% the other night, and I am hard-pressed to think of an encounter I didn't eventually come to like.
The Kuro's Charm challenge might be okay on NG or NG+, but on NG+4 it felt too punitive. I had to give up on it at Corrupted Monk 2, as a single mistake meant I got one-shot.
Great Shinobi is probably the best high-stress, white-knuckle fight for me, and Sword Saint is a validation/celebration of everything you've learned.
After three fights x 5 playthroughs, Genichiro is lucky if he gets a gourd swig out of me.
To my everlasting shame, I fought that damned ape ten times and never once used the spear trick despite knowing about it. Which either reflects poorly on my attention span, or speaks well of how engrossing these fights are.
What a fucking game, everyone.
+5
Ninja Snarl PMy helmet is my burden.Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered Userregular
Finally beat Sword Saint and I don't know which is worse: that it took me so long to do it, or that I felt like it wasn't that hard when I did do it.
Don't get me wrong, he kicked my ass many, many times. But by the time I beat him, I could zip through the first two parts of the fight in no time at all with damage and get to the final part of the fight with something like 7-8 gourd swigs ready.
I think the biggest barrier for me was getting flustered by the added attacks in the final stage. Phase three and phase four are the same fight except for those 2-3 additional attacks, and I kept zeroing in on countering those instead of keeping up with fighting him as normal. Then I'd get crushed by his normal attacks, start switching focus, then get surprised and killed by his new attacks. When I finally just kept fighting him as normal and only tried to counter his new attacks when I had a big, easy opening, I knocked it out of the park.
Major kudos to Fromsoft for finally making a game where almost all the enemies were challenging but were also almost all, even the bosses, playing the same game as me instead of just getting to break a million game rules. That final fight kicked my ass so hard, yet I liked it so much. And almost all the boss fights are that way! About the only two that I would really pull from the game are the summoner dude and the headless; their designs are just lazy and annoying compared to virtually everything else, and I'd honestly rather just finding a chest with their rewards than mucking around with them multiple times.
+4
cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited April 2019
Decimated Seven Spears Mk. 2, bit of a hint if you want:
Lure them out, then swing off until they leave. Then go back, shank his partner, and puppet him. He will DECIMATE Seven Spears' posture.
I think I am done with the game. I'm at the second rooftop instance fight...... BIG SPOILER AHEAD
So I opted to follow Owl and had to fight Emma. I just barely got through it after like 10 attempts, her timings just throw me off for some reason. Then I find I gotta fight Isshin who has 3 phases right after!? FUCK. THAT.
I think I've hit my limit. It's been a fun ride and definitely the most enjoyable FROM game I've ever played.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
The final boss wouldn't be as frustrating if
you didn't have to fight Genichiro first. From didn't make you fight the boss before the true big bad in Bloodborne again after you beat him.
+1
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Haven’t played in several days and started Owl (Father) back up:
I have phase one locked down now, or as locked down as I think is possible. I’ve gotten through it.
The problem is I’ll sit on my nine gourds and full hp and then fuck up one attack string and lose my rez. Like now I got him down to 1/4th and didn’t take a hit then I fucked up the fireworks&thrust and lost the rez and it was over pretty soon after that. I really think they should have made you afford more mistakes. I am as good as I will be, I will fuck up once or twice over several minutes. I mean I will hit what, 50, 100 deflections in this phase alone? I will fuck up the 101st in a bad timed string and lose everything. It’s hard to feel like a badass ninja.
PSN: Honkalot
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The hardest part is the dodge in the fireworks finisher. It’s very peculiar, it needs to be diagonal up but sometimes it becomes just up for no apparent reason.
PSN: Honkalot
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edited April 2019
It’s so disheartening I just lose my whole game when it happens. Just now took exactly no hits from him for two minutes straight, then suddenly the overhand got perfect tracking which I’ve noticed seems to happen if you are too close to him. Then I tilt and die pretty much immediately.
The hardest part is the dodge in the fireworks finisher. It’s very peculiar, it needs to be diagonal up but sometimes it becomes just up for no apparent reason.
you can dodge backwards out of the fireworks and then back in to get a hit (unless your back is to a wall/pillar, but you want to avoid that anyway because lol camera issues)
I think I am done with the game. I'm at the second rooftop instance fight...... BIG SPOILER AHEAD
So I opted to follow Owl and had to fight Emma. I just barely got through it after like 10 attempts, her timings just throw me off for some reason. Then I find I gotta fight Isshin who has 3 phases right after!? FUCK. THAT.
I think I've hit my limit. It's been a fun ride and definitely the most enjoyable FROM game I've ever played.
For me those fights where quite a bit harder than the true final boss fight but they can be made manageable by picking the correct combat art. By picking the option that you did you ended up with the shortest ending path which doesn't include a large chunk of late game stuff and quite a bit of stuff for upgrades.
Fight info for that ending including semi-cheesy move.
Emma is a pure posture fight and if you don't keep the pressure up the fight will drag on forever which was what doomed my earlier attempts. Her long combo has a final slightly delayed hit and if you deflect that you will throw her and you get a nice free hit in, otherwise she throws you and you lose lock. When she does the ashina cross you can move back and to her side and then in for some free damage. If you don't feel like trying to tangle with her perilous attacks you can usually just back off and then go back for a free hit on the grab but that one does have weird tracking so don't go in too soon.
Isshin is all about either waiting and reacting to what he is doing and then countering or forcing the issue by using a single r1, no follow up attack, on him when he is his neutral stance and then reacting to what he does after he avoids the slash. A lot of the time you can simple move behind him after things like his ichimonji or ashina cross and get a nice solid hit in and then you are back to starting at each other until the next clash. One thing about phase 2 is his one mind combat art, which can be interrupted with a firecracker but if you can't get to him when he stands still and does this grunting yell you need to move away from him and stand in a spot that isn't burning because the place will catch on fire and he will come streaking at you like a cruise missile. If you are running around you will almost certainly be hit by the fire and then Isshin will most of the time simply kill you dead. But if you are standing in place you can deflect his initial big hit and then spam the block button to deflect all the hits in the combat art and then the big hit at the end.
The big trick move you can pull off against Isshin is to use the shadowrush combat art since he can't block it and it does a crapton of damage to his vitality. It can be used to crush his phase 1 to get a feel for his second phase but when going for the kill it felt best to go easy on them in p1 and only do some initially to drop his vitality a little and save the rest for p2. You can even use it after you run out of emblems but then you only get the rush and not the flip so it doesn't do as much damage and you need to be quicker to deflect or get out of range since he isn't as staggered by that. Pretty good video for the shadowrush usage
Numi on
+1
cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
The hardest part is the dodge in the fireworks finisher. It’s very peculiar, it needs to be diagonal up but sometimes it becomes just up for no apparent reason.
you can dodge backwards out of the fireworks and then back in to get a hit (unless your back is to a wall/pillar, but you want to avoid that anyway because lol camera issues)
You can also swerve to the right, double dash to get behind him when he lands.
The hardest part is the dodge in the fireworks finisher. It’s very peculiar, it needs to be diagonal up but sometimes it becomes just up for no apparent reason.
you can dodge backwards out of the fireworks and then back in to get a hit (unless your back is to a wall/pillar, but you want to avoid that anyway because lol camera issues)
You can also swerve to the right, double dash to get behind him when he lands.
The i-frames on your dash can make you invuln to it. just dash as he swings his sword.
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The monkey axe isn't where it should be per YouTube. Whatever is there, I already took it. I have the Loaded Axe, Spring Loaded Axe and Sparking Axe. Where has it gone? Did I glitch it out of existence?
I feel another Fuck You From Software boiling inside of me.
The monkey axe isn't where it should be per YouTube. Whatever is there, I already took it. I have the Loaded Axe, Spring Loaded Axe and Sparking Axe. Where has it gone? Did I glitch it out of existence?
I feel another Fuck You From Software boiling inside of me.
Wait. You're saying you have ability already but are unable to find the item that grants you the axe ability?
Just remember - he's a punk. Get in his face, wail on him and deflect his shit. If he goes for the Big Swing jump off his head or just back out then run right back in.
Chance on
'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
Just remember - he's a punk. Get in his face, wail on him and deflect his shit. If he goes for the Big Swing jump off his head or just back out then run right back in.
Problem is he does a LOT more posture damage than the roof form, so it's easier to get punished for being careless.
The monkey axe isn't where it should be per YouTube. Whatever is there, I already took it. I have the Loaded Axe, Spring Loaded Axe and Sparking Axe. Where has it gone? Did I glitch it out of existence?
I feel another Fuck You From Software boiling inside of me.
Wait. You're saying you have ability already but are unable to find the item that grants you the axe ability?
Okay, nevermind. If they are one and the same, I'm missing a different prosthetic from the upgrade tree.
Just remember - he's a punk. Get in his face, wail on him and deflect his shit. If he goes for the Big Swing jump off his head or just back out then run right back in.
Problem is he does a LOT more posture damage than the roof form, so it's easier to get punished for being careless.
And there we go, done and dusted. Though I would have felt better about it if the last several hours hadn't been mostly grinding xp for the final achievement.
Dude feel off the side of the cliff for me while I was trying to reset the fight just to deal with his sword bro, never got the chance to prove I'd improved since the first round
Seven Spears in Burning Ashina? Yeah, this can go fuck itself. This is the first fight in the game where I’m calling total bullshit.
method I used:
run past them towards the flower field where you first met genichiro, let them de-aggro. equip finger whistle, run back and cling to the ledge. whistle for seven spears's boy, he'll walk towards you, let him turn his back and deathblow him. walk back and get your free backstab on seven spears or fight him straight-up.
Seven Spears in Burning Ashina? Yeah, this can go fuck itself. This is the first fight in the game where I’m calling total bullshit.
method I used:
run past them towards the flower field where you first met genichiro, let them de-aggro. equip finger whistle, run back and cling to the ledge. whistle for seven spears's boy, he'll walk towards you, let him turn his back and deathblow him. walk back and get your free backstab on seven spears or fight him straight-up.
Use stealth sugar and kill buddy from stealth.
Or: Stealth kill the dying man to the left and use blood cloud to kill buddy.
League of Legends: Sorakanmyworld
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
Smough wound up falling off the cliff after I tried using the branch to jump to the next one. Tried, because I fell. When I spawned back, he was gone. Ornstein was fine on his own, but I also cheesed him with a backstab first. Mikiri Counter is so much easier to do now than when I first got it.
The monkey axe isn't where it should be per YouTube. Whatever is there, I already took it. I have the Loaded Axe, Spring Loaded Axe and Sparking Axe. Where has it gone? Did I glitch it out of existence?
I feel another Fuck You From Software boiling inside of me.
Wait. You're saying you have ability already but are unable to find the item that grants you the axe ability?
Okay, nevermind. If they are one and the same, I'm missing a different prosthetic from the upgrade tree.
Seven Spears in Burning Ashina? Yeah, this can go fuck itself. This is the first fight in the game where I’m calling total bullshit.
method I used:
run past them towards the flower field where you first met genichiro, let them de-aggro. equip finger whistle, run back and cling to the ledge. whistle for seven spears's boy, he'll walk towards you, let him turn his back and deathblow him. walk back and get your free backstab on seven spears or fight him straight-up.
Or puppet his boy and double team the clown.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
Is there any incentive to go after the optional endgame boss to make the final one easier?
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Ashina Castle after Ape and Monk
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
ended up clearing his entire last health bar with no gourd left
he's honestly a pretty good boss
still haven't figured out how to reliably avoid the big jump attack
I have an easy strategy you can use to beat him. Just copy this. All you need is 3 snap seeds and 6 ash. It's that easy!
https://clips.twitch.tv/CorrectRealDinosaurCoolCat
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
Great Shinobi is probably the best high-stress, white-knuckle fight for me, and Sword Saint is a validation/celebration of everything you've learned.
After three fights x 5 playthroughs, Genichiro is lucky if he gets a gourd swig out of me.
To my everlasting shame, I fought that damned ape ten times and never once used the spear trick despite knowing about it. Which either reflects poorly on my attention span, or speaks well of how engrossing these fights are.
Don't get me wrong, he kicked my ass many, many times. But by the time I beat him, I could zip through the first two parts of the fight in no time at all with damage and get to the final part of the fight with something like 7-8 gourd swigs ready.
I think the biggest barrier for me was getting flustered by the added attacks in the final stage. Phase three and phase four are the same fight except for those 2-3 additional attacks, and I kept zeroing in on countering those instead of keeping up with fighting him as normal. Then I'd get crushed by his normal attacks, start switching focus, then get surprised and killed by his new attacks. When I finally just kept fighting him as normal and only tried to counter his new attacks when I had a big, easy opening, I knocked it out of the park.
Major kudos to Fromsoft for finally making a game where almost all the enemies were challenging but were also almost all, even the bosses, playing the same game as me instead of just getting to break a million game rules. That final fight kicked my ass so hard, yet I liked it so much. And almost all the boss fights are that way! About the only two that I would really pull from the game are the summoner dude and the headless; their designs are just lazy and annoying compared to virtually everything else, and I'd honestly rather just finding a chest with their rewards than mucking around with them multiple times.
I think I've hit my limit. It's been a fun ride and definitely the most enjoyable FROM game I've ever played.
The problem is I’ll sit on my nine gourds and full hp and then fuck up one attack string and lose my rez. Like now I got him down to 1/4th and didn’t take a hit then I fucked up the fireworks&thrust and lost the rez and it was over pretty soon after that. I really think they should have made you afford more mistakes. I am as good as I will be, I will fuck up once or twice over several minutes. I mean I will hit what, 50, 100 deflections in this phase alone? I will fuck up the 101st in a bad timed string and lose everything. It’s hard to feel like a badass ninja.
For me those fights where quite a bit harder than the true final boss fight but they can be made manageable by picking the correct combat art. By picking the option that you did you ended up with the shortest ending path which doesn't include a large chunk of late game stuff and quite a bit of stuff for upgrades.
Fight info for that ending including semi-cheesy move.
Isshin is all about either waiting and reacting to what he is doing and then countering or forcing the issue by using a single r1, no follow up attack, on him when he is his neutral stance and then reacting to what he does after he avoids the slash. A lot of the time you can simple move behind him after things like his ichimonji or ashina cross and get a nice solid hit in and then you are back to starting at each other until the next clash. One thing about phase 2 is his one mind combat art, which can be interrupted with a firecracker but if you can't get to him when he stands still and does this grunting yell you need to move away from him and stand in a spot that isn't burning because the place will catch on fire and he will come streaking at you like a cruise missile. If you are running around you will almost certainly be hit by the fire and then Isshin will most of the time simply kill you dead. But if you are standing in place you can deflect his initial big hit and then spam the block button to deflect all the hits in the combat art and then the big hit at the end.
The big trick move you can pull off against Isshin is to use the shadowrush combat art since he can't block it and it does a crapton of damage to his vitality. It can be used to crush his phase 1 to get a feel for his second phase but when going for the kill it felt best to go easy on them in p1 and only do some initially to drop his vitality a little and save the rest for p2. You can even use it after you run out of emblems but then you only get the rush and not the flip so it doesn't do as much damage and you need to be quicker to deflect or get out of range since he isn't as staggered by that.
Pretty good video for the shadowrush usage
You can also swerve to the right, double dash to get behind him when he lands.
The i-frames on your dash can make you invuln to it. just dash as he swings his sword.
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
I feel another Fuck You From Software boiling inside of me.
Wait. You're saying you have ability already but are unable to find the item that grants you the axe ability?
Not if my death count is any indication.
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
Problem is he does a LOT more posture damage than the roof form, so it's easier to get punished for being careless.
Okay, nevermind. If they are one and the same, I'm missing a different prosthetic from the upgrade tree.
Well be careful,
but confident.
Be vicious
but considered.
Be feral,
and tactical.
He earns back poise far slower than you.
Edit SPOILERS:
Keep the pressure up. Only back out to heal up and then get right back in.
method I used:
i really need to do a prosthetic tool run because i never use any of that shit
Use stealth sugar and kill buddy from stealth.
Or: Stealth kill the dying man to the left and use blood cloud to kill buddy.
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
wish i had gotten a cleaner phase 4 but i'm real happy with the rest
Which ones do you have?
Or puppet his boy and double team the clown.
You won't get anything to make it easier, no.
Other than XP but by this point you probably have the most useful skills (the passives basically)