you know how when a company launches a CCG for the first time, they do a bunch of dumb shit, especially in organized play, that Wizards of the Coast already did, and then fixed, two decades ago?
*gestures vaguely at Epic*
turns out it's pretty easy to not learn from those who went before you
Also depending on their timeframe of going "We need a store!" and launching there might not have been time to do it right. There is certainly an acceptable level of bugginess that people will be ok with that lets them launch early and strike while the iron is hot. That Fortnight money might not be there next year, or who knows what else might come up. Steam has been riding a deep swell of ill will lately so I can totally see Epic rushing out a competitor to try to leverage that, while having one of the hottest games in the world to back it up.
It's a fine line to walk though, and they are definitely stumbling. Personally the bare bones nature of the epic store doesn't bother me that much, but I've never deep dived into Steam features either.
I remember when Steam launched. People were PISSED. It was going to be the end of gaming. We'll see how this pans out. Which company will end up being shittier?
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Now come on, guys, you can't criticise Epic's store for not being as good as Steam, they've only been running a few months, whereas Valve have been developing and changing Steam for years
Also, we need the Epic store because Valve are lazy and don't earn their cut and have been sitting around doing nothing for years
On a related note, Hades is hella fun. How does it play with a controller? KBM is making my hand hurt.
On another related note, can I add Epic games to my steam launcher so I can play them via my steam link so I don't have to hook my controller back up to my PC via a barely accessible USB port?
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Now come on, guys, you can't criticise Epic's store for not being as good as Steam, they've only been running a few months, whereas Valve have been developing and changing Steam for years
Also, we need the Epic store because Valve are lazy and don't earn their cut and have been sitting around doing nothing for years
Bong wibble kerplunk
it's possible to think they're doing a bad job and also think there's nothing wrong with someone making a service to compete with steam you know
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Playing some more Surviving Mars with the new DLC and it is just a fun relaxing game. theres been some good quality of life changes over the last year and I can't wait to dig into the end game with the new terraforming tech.
All I can think of when I think about Steep is that E3 demonstration where a guy dies horribly by impacting a mountain while gliding on a wingsuit and nobody really acknowledging it.
"Ze mountain takes its toll."
It did, actually. Not to bring the room down, but pro skier Matilda Rapaport died during promo shoots for Steep
if you work with the developer and both lower prices you both increase sale of units and make margins on the economy of sale
if you take a $10 loss on every game you
take a lot of loss.
they are desparate to grow their user numbers, and are sitting on a giant warchest of fortnite money
so they're just eating a $10 loss on every single sale, just to get people in the door
they just seemingly did an incredibly poor job of communicating/coordinating that
Yeah this is basically them attempting to purchase market share. If it was executed with more competence I would call it a smart move. Even with the fuckups it probably still is a smart move.
If they can't capture market share from Steam then their store idea is fucked. Steam is so entrenched that Epic needs to make bold moves to compete. Personally I hope they succeed in becoming a viable competitor to Steam, but I also hope that they stop making stupid mistakes and have a store that doesn't suck balls to use.
Now come on, guys, you can't criticise Epic's store for not being as good as Steam, they've only been running a few months, whereas Valve have been developing and changing Steam for years
Also, we need the Epic store because Valve are lazy and don't earn their cut and have been sitting around doing nothing for years
Bong wibble kerplunk
it's possible to think they're doing a bad job and also think there's nothing wrong with someone making a service to compete with steam you know
Conversely, it's possible for them to fail on their own merits. Just being a competitor to steam doesn't excuse their mistakes. You don't see people making these same kind of bizare excuses for uplay or origin
I thought that in the end, the datamining thing was shown to be bullshit?
It does the same thing steam does, except possibly more inefficient, which means it's making more calls?
I thought that in the end, the datamining thing was shown to be bullshit?
It does the same thing steam does, except possibly more inefficient, which means it's making more calls?
IIRC, that was some fearmongering about them passing the data on to tencent? Which wasn't part of the initial accusation, anyway. AFIAK, other people than the OP were able to see it scanning the local files
EDIT: Ok, double checking, they scanned the local files regardless, but supposedly only actually send it to their servers when the user requests a friend sync. Supposedly it's only a hashed list of your friends, but the file is encrypted (the steam version of the file is just in plaintext), so who knows what it actually contains
Regardless, steam does have a public API for the kind of info in that file, which supposedly is what other companies who do "find you steam friends" use. And it might actually respect the privacy settings that people set on steam?
yeah, I mean I've been pretty bullish about the epic store in this thread, but like...yikes dudes. This is a complete layup to get more people into the store, and now the story is "what a bunch of dumb idiots"
The knowledge that fresh meat, vegetables and fruit prevent scurvy fell in and out of maritime history until the 18th century, it is extremely easy to not learn from the past
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Last Juneish, I resolved to clear my Steam backlog. With the completion of Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun last night, it is done.
Age of Wonders III
Ancient Space
The Banner Saga
Bioshock Infinite*
Borderlands 2*
Breath of Death VII
Celeste
Cthulhu Saves the World
Dark Souls
Fallout 4*
From Dust
Frozen Synapse
Grow Home
Gunpoint
High Hell
Jotun
Just Cause 3
Kentucky Route Zero
King's Bounty: The Legend
King's Bounty: Armored Princess
King's Bounty: Crossworlds
Life is Strange
Marlow Briggs
Mirror's Edge
Monkey Island 2
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun
Sleeping Dogs
Supreme Commander 2
Undertale
The Witcher 2
* Last 5-10% only
Games incomplete, but permanently retired:
Bully: Unstable on Windows 10 even with fan patches. Got to the second chapter before crashed reached every 15 seconds
X series: Did the tutorial for X3 back in 2010 and never went back
I've been all about epic because I wanted a legit steam competitor to try to get steam to clean up their act for a long time. I was willing to let slide the featureless store because they've got a road map showing how they'll be adding to it in the future, and the conspiracy theory stuff has always been bullshit.
The way they've utterly botched this sale though has me pretty upset and certain that they don't know what the hell they're doing.
There were some pretty nuclear hot takes during the whole "datamining your PC files without asking" thing
I haven't seen a definitive answer about the truth of that rumor one way or the other other than from random people who heard about a random post about it from some guy on reddit, which is a totally unimpeachable source that should definitely be trusted to know what the fuck they're talking about right?
So if that's the only example I'm wholly unconvinced there is an epic store dick-sucking brigade problem.
There were some pretty nuclear hot takes during the whole "datamining your PC files without asking" thing
I haven't seen a definitive answer about the truth of that rumor one way or the other other than from random people who heard about a random post about it from some guy on reddit, which is a totally unimpeachable source that should definitely be trusted to know what the fuck they're talking about right?
So if that's the only example I'm wholly unconvinced there is an epic store dick-sucking brigade problem.
As far as I can tell, the store was looking for steam files so it could import Steam friends and such. They got into some hot water for this because they were collecting the information without the user authorizing it. Epic says they just collected the info, and upon authorization actually sent it back to the Epic servers. They acknowledged that they absolutely should have waited for user authorization before even looking for the info, but they were just in such a rush they didn't do things properly, but now that it's been noticed by the public they'll fix it.
I saw that Bloodlines was pulled from the store for the duration of the sale but I missed all the Hades drama and the other delistings.
It really looks like Epic launched this sale without actually letting any of the publishers know they were going to do it.
I honestly think they figured since we're paying the $10 difference what will they care if we're selling it $10 cheaper than normal.
With no concept of devaluation. If consumers know a game was once $8.50. Are they gonna want to buy it for $20. There's all kinds of price trackers out there these days.
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lol I bought hades during that window because I was like "there's no way they'll lower the price, that would be the dumbest thing"
Yeah looks like they didn't really really let people know about the extra $10 thing very well. Kotaku article on the game pulls. A little later, Galyonkin made another comment on the same site, saying that he initially thought Paradox was aware of how the sale would affect its games, but “after a little investigation, it turned out that I was wrong.”
Also since the sale was just taking $10 dollars off the price instead of a percentage discount is was leading to very deep discounts in some regions.
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Yeah looks like they didn't really really let people know about the extra $10 thing very well. Kotaku article on the game pulls. A little later, Galyonkin made another comment on the same site, saying that he initially thought Paradox was aware of how the sale would affect its games, but “after a little investigation, it turned out that I was wrong.”
Also since the sale was just taking $10 dollars off the price instead of a percentage discount is was leading to very deep discounts in some regions.
Yeah, I was seeing on reddit that people in India were getting VtMB2 for $16, its nuts
Yeah the GameDeals subreddit had a thread of people discussing playing with their VPNs. A few even got saves and libraries to transfer to their native country accounts. (allegedly)
I honestly think that steam sales and the subsequent race-to-the-bottom mindset were pretty bad for gaming in general, so it's not a big selling point for the Epic Store for me.
Expectations of deep discounts are something a lot of developers and publishers have been working against for the higher tier games, including the bigger indie games, for a while so a $10 discount on anything $15 and above is something many of them would hate even when the discount is coming out of another company's pocket. A lot of people are not going to make the distinction of a massive discount funded by a third party and a regular massive discount.
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Also depending on their timeframe of going "We need a store!" and launching there might not have been time to do it right. There is certainly an acceptable level of bugginess that people will be ok with that lets them launch early and strike while the iron is hot. That Fortnight money might not be there next year, or who knows what else might come up. Steam has been riding a deep swell of ill will lately so I can totally see Epic rushing out a competitor to try to leverage that, while having one of the hottest games in the world to back it up.
It's a fine line to walk though, and they are definitely stumbling. Personally the bare bones nature of the epic store doesn't bother me that much, but I've never deep dived into Steam features either.
I remember when Steam launched. People were PISSED. It was going to be the end of gaming. We'll see how this pans out. Which company will end up being shittier?
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Also, we need the Epic store because Valve are lazy and don't earn their cut and have been sitting around doing nothing for years
Bong wibble kerplunk
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
As one of those people, I requested a refund of the difference. We'll see what happens.
On another related note, can I add Epic games to my steam launcher so I can play them via my steam link so I don't have to hook my controller back up to my PC via a barely accessible USB port?
Which is doubly bad for epic cause I feel like that one indie dev just did a great bit of free PR for them like less than 48 hours ago
it's possible to think they're doing a bad job and also think there's nothing wrong with someone making a service to compete with steam you know
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It did, actually. Not to bring the room down, but pro skier Matilda Rapaport died during promo shoots for Steep
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/pro-skier-dies-during-film-shoot-for-ubisofts-new-/1100-6441963/
Yeah this is basically them attempting to purchase market share. If it was executed with more competence I would call it a smart move. Even with the fuckups it probably still is a smart move.
If they can't capture market share from Steam then their store idea is fucked. Steam is so entrenched that Epic needs to make bold moves to compete. Personally I hope they succeed in becoming a viable competitor to Steam, but I also hope that they stop making stupid mistakes and have a store that doesn't suck balls to use.
Conversely, it's possible for them to fail on their own merits. Just being a competitor to steam doesn't excuse their mistakes. You don't see people making these same kind of bizare excuses for uplay or origin
There were some pretty nuclear hot takes during the whole "datamining your PC files without asking" thing
It does the same thing steam does, except possibly more inefficient, which means it's making more calls?
IIRC, that was some fearmongering about them passing the data on to tencent? Which wasn't part of the initial accusation, anyway. AFIAK, other people than the OP were able to see it scanning the local files
EDIT: Ok, double checking, they scanned the local files regardless, but supposedly only actually send it to their servers when the user requests a friend sync. Supposedly it's only a hashed list of your friends, but the file is encrypted (the steam version of the file is just in plaintext), so who knows what it actually contains
Regardless, steam does have a public API for the kind of info in that file, which supposedly is what other companies who do "find you steam friends" use. And it might actually respect the privacy settings that people set on steam?
yeah, I mean I've been pretty bullish about the epic store in this thread, but like...yikes dudes. This is a complete layup to get more people into the store, and now the story is "what a bunch of dumb idiots"
Appsrently they can't do partial refunds, but they did give me a full refund so I can rebuy it at the lower price.
Age of Wonders III
Ancient Space
The Banner Saga
Bioshock Infinite*
Borderlands 2*
Breath of Death VII
Celeste
Cthulhu Saves the World
Dark Souls
Fallout 4*
From Dust
Frozen Synapse
Grow Home
Gunpoint
High Hell
Jotun
Just Cause 3
Kentucky Route Zero
King's Bounty: The Legend
King's Bounty: Armored Princess
King's Bounty: Crossworlds
Life is Strange
Marlow Briggs
Mirror's Edge
Monkey Island 2
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun
Sleeping Dogs
Supreme Commander 2
Undertale
The Witcher 2
* Last 5-10% only
Games incomplete, but permanently retired:
Bully: Unstable on Windows 10 even with fan patches. Got to the second chapter before crashed reached every 15 seconds
X series: Did the tutorial for X3 back in 2010 and never went back
Now to play Assassins Creed: Odyssey.
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=06232005
The way they've utterly botched this sale though has me pretty upset and certain that they don't know what the hell they're doing.
I haven't seen a definitive answer about the truth of that rumor one way or the other other than from random people who heard about a random post about it from some guy on reddit, which is a totally unimpeachable source that should definitely be trusted to know what the fuck they're talking about right?
So if that's the only example I'm wholly unconvinced there is an epic store dick-sucking brigade problem.
As far as I can tell, the store was looking for steam files so it could import Steam friends and such. They got into some hot water for this because they were collecting the information without the user authorizing it. Epic says they just collected the info, and upon authorization actually sent it back to the Epic servers. They acknowledged that they absolutely should have waited for user authorization before even looking for the info, but they were just in such a rush they didn't do things properly, but now that it's been noticed by the public they'll fix it.
“You guys are right that we ought to only access the localconfig.vdf file after the user chooses to import Steam friends. The current implementation is a remnant left over from our rush to implement social features in the early days of Fortnite. It’s actually my fault for pushing the launcher team to support it super quickly and then identifying that we had to change it. Since this issue came to the forefront we’re going to fix it.”
It really looks like Epic launched this sale without actually letting any of the publishers know they were going to do it.
I honestly think they figured since we're paying the $10 difference what will they care if we're selling it $10 cheaper than normal.
With no concept of devaluation. If consumers know a game was once $8.50. Are they gonna want to buy it for $20. There's all kinds of price trackers out there these days.
guess I'm out five bucks! thanks, epic!
Kotaku article on the game pulls.
A little later, Galyonkin made another comment on the same site, saying that he initially thought Paradox was aware of how the sale would affect its games, but “after a little investigation, it turned out that I was wrong.”
Also since the sale was just taking $10 dollars off the price instead of a percentage discount is was leading to very deep discounts in some regions.
you can apparently refund the more expensive version and then buy the one that's on sale now
still not as good as the original sale, but it will save you a bit
Yeah, I was seeing on reddit that people in India were getting VtMB2 for $16, its nuts
God I love this trailer.
Only a couple months left!
woah how did this slip under my radar
is this timeskipped, and those are BJ's daughters?
is that a co-op Wolfenstein?
oh lord thank you for this blessed gift
Yes and yes.
I think they're gonna hit a hat trick here, holy crap
Like, yep, those are BJ's kids alright.