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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] Million To One Shot Now Odds On Favourite

BogartBogart Streetwise HerculesRegistered User, Moderator mod
edited July 2019 in Debate and/or Discourse
Hey guys, let's all talk about politics in the UK and Ireland because that's fun and not at all like screaming into the orange doughnut black hole we've discovered millions of light years away that frankly sounds like a more fun place to be right now.
Now multiple polls have shown massive swings away from the Conservatives, here is the latest


This poll from the last page of the last thread indicates a splintering of support for the Tories as the Brexit Party (like UKIP, but with slightly less racism) leaps into the charts at number 6. Change UK keeps climbing at number 3, the Tories take a big fall back to number 2 but the new number 1 is an old favourite from the early eighties: it's Jeremy Corbyn's Labour.

They're here tonight, live in the studio, it's the band themselves with their smash hit, Stalin Wasn't All Bad, You Know!

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
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    H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Bogart wrote: »
    Hey guys, let's all talk about politics in the UK and Ireland because that's fun and not at all like screaming into the orange doughnut black hole we've discovered millions of light years away that frankly sounds like a more fun place to be right now.

    Can't tell if this is a Trump joke or an astronomy joke.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    orange doughnut black hole

    Can't tell if this is a Trump joke or an astronomy joke.

    It's clearly both, as was Bogart's clever plan all along.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    I'm uncomfortable with Labour getting a bump in support in the wake of the revelation that they are internally anti-Semitic.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Henroid wrote: »
    I'm uncomfortable with Labour getting a bump in support in the wake of the revelation that they are internally anti-Semitic.

    The poll shows them down three points. They're in the lead in that poll because the Tories are down by 10.

    Also drawing a direct link between the anti-semitism and a boost in the polls (which doesn't exist) would probably require some supporting evidence.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Can I just say thank fuck that No Deal didn't happen today

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    SchadenfreudeSchadenfreude Mean Mister Mustard Registered User regular
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    Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Can I just say thank fuck that No Deal didn't happen today

    I'm currently on holiday in Donegal, if No Deal had happened we were going to cut short our holiday and dash across the border to (London)Derry.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Can I just say thank fuck that No Deal didn't happen today

    I'm currently on holiday in Donegal, if No Deal had happened we were going to cut short our holiday and dash across the border to (London)Derry.

    Fuel up in Bridge End first, it's cheaper and they take Sterling

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    So where's Northern Ireland on the whole power-sharing/government thing? Last I remember hearing, there was no progress and no indication of any progress in the future?

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    So where's Northern Ireland on the whole power-sharing/government thing? Last I remember hearing, there was no progress and no indication of any progress in the future?

    Not much change.

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    So where's Northern Ireland on the whole power-sharing/government thing? Last I remember hearing, there was no progress and no indication of any progress in the future?

    As yet unresolved. So yes, while all this Brexit has been going on, Northern Ireland has been quietly left without a devolved government and is more or less back under direct rule.

    Since January fucking 2017.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    So where's Northern Ireland on the whole power-sharing/government thing? Last I remember hearing, there was no progress and no indication of any progress in the future?

    As yet unresolved. So yes, while all this Brexit has been going on, Northern Ireland has been quietly left without a devolved government and is more or less back under direct rule.

    Since January fucking 2017.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Viz is often very good.



    So we've got six months. Time enough to really buckle down and hammer out some sort of compromise in Parliament, hopefully put to a people's vote, but there isn't a second to lose!

    Parliament is immediately buggering off for half hols at 5pm today.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    PS I know that MPs are massively stressed right now (the ones that aren't feckless wasters like Johnson or David Davis, anyway) and have taken to literally hiding in cupboards so they could probably do with a break.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    So where's Northern Ireland on the whole power-sharing/government thing? Last I remember hearing, there was no progress and no indication of any progress in the future?

    As yet unresolved. So yes, while all this Brexit has been going on, Northern Ireland has been quietly left without a devolved government and is more or less back under direct rule.

    Since January fucking 2017.

    So is there no failure state for this to trigger elections, or a way to just lock them all in a room until they show they've reached a decision by sending white smoke out of the chimney?

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    klemming wrote: »
    So is there no failure state for this to trigger elections, or a way to just lock them all in a room until they show they've reached a decision by sending white smoke out of the chimney?

    I think the government realises that setting absolute deadlines is a bad idea when you're dealing with nutters like the DUP, who take ultimatums as a challenge, so it'll just dribble along with no end in sight. So far I think we've had deadlines that then get pushed back and pushed back and essentially it feels like they're waiting for another election.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    BBC News are reporting that Assange has been arrested!


    *edit* Beat’d by one minute... damn mods and their damn absolute power.

    There’s been some sort of prosecution of Wikileaks going on in the US for months now, under the radar for the most part. It’ll be interesting to see who steps up to charge him directly.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Wait, arrested and then removed? I thought it had to happen the other way round to be legal. Did Ecuador kick him out and the cops grabbed him as soon as he set foot on the street, or did they actually hand him over?

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    There’s been some sort of prosecution of Wikileaks going on in the US for months now, under the radar for the most part. It’ll be interesting to see who steps up to charge him directly.

    He'll be charged with skipping bail. That's probably it for the time being.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod


    President of Ecuador. They basically told him to piss off because he was incredibly annoying and a giant douchebag.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    I hope his cat is alright.

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Jazz wrote: »
    I hope his cat is alright.

    Presumably going back to his old job at MI6, having managed to extract the target from a foreign embassy using some real 'out of the box' shi-thinking.

    I'm reassured a little that the -10 drop in support for the Conservatives didn't all go to Brexit and UKIP.

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    Werewolf2000adWerewolf2000ad Suckers, I know exactly what went wrong. Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »


    President of Ecuador. They basically told him to piss off because he was incredibly annoying and a giant douchebag.

    Plus his increasing resemblance to Uncle Albert off Only Fools and Horses was freaking them out.

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Is this in relation to the sex charges or the Wikileaking? Were the sex charges just pretext?

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    AntinumericAntinumeric Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    Is this in relation to the sex charges or the Wikileaking? Were the sex charges just pretext?

    Breaking bail iirc

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Odds on the US trying to extradite him as he kept insisting they were gonna?

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    Odds on the US trying to extradite him as he kept insisting they were gonna?

    Considering what we know now of Wikileaks' behavior? Almost certainly.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    Is this in relation to the sex charges or the Wikileaking? Were the sex charges just pretext?

    He's being arrested for skipping bail, which he did while he was being investigated for the sex offences. His supporters argue that he's done nothing wrong and every charge is the result of a vast conspiracy against him. The alternative explanation is that he's a douchebag and a sex case and is getting exactly what he deserves.

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    Holy shit. I thought the photo above was just poor quality or something, but if anything the video from CNN is worse. He looks like he's aged thirty years, and he looks downright crazed as they drag him out.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
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    Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    So is Assange going to be in more danger considering The Trump administration is in charge and Trump has a hardon for punishing leakers. Or in less danger because his leaks helped Trump win thee election?

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    So is Assange going to be in more danger considering The Trump administration is in charge and Trump has a hardon for punishing leakers. Or in less danger because his leaks helped Trump win thee election?

    I lean towards the latter, because what Trump really punishes is leaks that make him look bad.

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    This is from the lawyer of the woman who accused Assange of rape. They seem cautiously optimistic.



    And this is from the Swedish police. I’m told it says a prosecution can be opened so long as it’s not time barred, and in this case the charges would be time barred from August 2020.


    Swedish speaking forumers confirming the translation would be appreciated!

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    This is from the lawyer of the woman who accused Assange of rape. They seem cautiously optimistic.



    And this is from the Swedish police. I’m told it says a prosecution can be opened so long as it’s not time barred, and in this case the charges would be time barred from August 2020.


    Swedish speaking forumers confirming the translation would be appreciated!

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    Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
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    TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    I woke up to this news and it was an amazing way to start the day.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Look, this Tory doesn't make people instantly sick with contempt when they see her! Let's put her on every bit of campaigning literature we can.

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