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The historic Notre Dame cathedral was on fire

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    The mention of fake relics always brings Blackadder's The Archbishop to mind...

    (Spoiler'd for pretty blasphemous early '80s humour)
    That said, more recent things with more provenance like St Louis' tunic, I'm very glad they were saved. Wasn't the crown of thorns his as well, rather than Jesus'?

    (What a totp. Oh well!)

    Jazz on
  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    jgeis wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    TIL that the crown of thorns is an actual existing object

    There are a huge number of relics attributed to be connected to Jesus Christ.

    Including the Holy Foreskin.

    I'm not making that up, it has it's own Wikipedia page.

    Please refer to it by its proper title, the Holy Prepuce

  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Do you usually hang onto that bit once you cut it off or was the mohel like "this kids got that certain somethin I'm gonna set this aside"

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    I'm not sure it could be described as holey

    It's probably just the one

    Xaquin on
  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    According to Wikipedia,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
    The first reference to the survival of Christ's severed foreskin comes in the second chapter of the apocryphal Arabic Infancy Gospel which contains the following story:

    And when the time of his circumcision was come, namely, the eighth day, on which the law commanded the child to be circumcised, they circumcised him in a cave. And the old Hebrew woman took the foreskin (others say she took the navel-string), and preserved it in an alabaster-box of old oil of spikenard. And she had a son who was a druggist, to whom she said, "Take heed thou sell not this alabaster box of spikenard-ointment, although thou shouldst be offered three hundred pence for it." Now this is that alabaster-box which Mary the sinner procured, and poured forth the ointment out of it upon the head and feet of our Lord Jesus Christ, and wiped it off with the hairs of her head.

    I love apocryphal stories obviously written in the middle ages with anachronistic references like "a son who was a druggist".

    Centipede Damascus on
  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    They anointed his feet with an oil infusion of his own foreskin

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    They anointed his feet with an oil infusion of his own foreskin

  • djmitchelladjmitchella Registered User regular
    An interesting aspect to rebuilding it, via this CBC story:
    A French cultural heritage expert said France no longer has trees big enough to replace ancient wooden beams that burned in the fire.

    Bertrand de Feydeau, vice-president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the wooden roof that went up in flames was built with beams more than 800 years ago from primary, or old-growth, forests.

    Speaking Tuesday, he said the cathedral's roof cannot be rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire because "we don't, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century."

    He said the restoration work will have to use new technologies to rebuild the roof.

  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    They anointed his feet with an oil infusion of his own foreskin

    They did what??

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    I thought they had oak trees planted at Versailles specifically to address the issue that they might have to rebuild Notre Dame, after the last time they had to do that?

  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User, Moderator mod
    People say that, but I'm pretty sure that's just One Of Those Things People Say.

    At least the pictures that often accompany the claim are definitely showing something other than oak.

  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    An interesting aspect to rebuilding it, via this CBC story:
    A French cultural heritage expert said France no longer has trees big enough to replace ancient wooden beams that burned in the fire.

    Bertrand de Feydeau, vice-president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the wooden roof that went up in flames was built with beams more than 800 years ago from primary, or old-growth, forests.

    Speaking Tuesday, he said the cathedral's roof cannot be rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire because "we don't, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century."

    He said the restoration work will have to use new technologies to rebuild the roof.

    There are lots of old growth forests with sufficient resources to do this. I can't imagine the solution would be "use new technologies" rather than sourcing a tree from outside of France because of that specific issue.

    For other reasons, sure. But that's silly.

  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    An interesting aspect to rebuilding it, via this CBC story:
    A French cultural heritage expert said France no longer has trees big enough to replace ancient wooden beams that burned in the fire.

    Bertrand de Feydeau, vice-president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the wooden roof that went up in flames was built with beams more than 800 years ago from primary, or old-growth, forests.

    Speaking Tuesday, he said the cathedral's roof cannot be rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire because "we don't, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century."

    He said the restoration work will have to use new technologies to rebuild the roof.

    Definitely made it way too far into this thinking we were still talking about Jesus’ foreskin.

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  • DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    man, I hope nobody kept my foreskin

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Load bearing foreskin

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    I keep mine in a place no one will ever look for it.

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    your penis?

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    damn shorty

    it's in a jar labeled 'aftskin' isn't it?

  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    Based in news from CNN and a few other sites all three rose windows survived relatively unscathed.

    As for oak trees, there should be oak trees somewhere that could serve. I do know that 15 years ago the Swedish ministry of forestry reported that oaks planted in the late 18th century (on the orders of Gustav III to ensure the supply of timber for ship building) were ready for harvesting, but they were still arguing over what historical project could possibly justify cutting down trees from a prime 250-year-old oak forest.

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  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    It would be pretty great if they could repair it without cutting down ancient trees

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  • FishmanFishman Put your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain. Registered User regular
    Oh hey, I've been there. That's cool.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    It would be pretty great if they could repair it without cutting down ancient trees

    I bet they could, but it probably would not be historically accurate either.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    They could also just do steel with an oak veneer so that it would look historically accurate AND not catch fire so easily

  • statlerstatler Registered User regular
    Were the oak trusses ever visible? I thought they were a support structure that was sandwiched in between the roof and the interior ceiling of the cathedral?

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  • FishmanFishman Put your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain. Registered User regular
    statler wrote: »
    Were the oak trusses ever visible? I thought they were a support structure that was sandwiched in between the roof and the interior ceiling of the cathedral?

    I seem to recall thinking Notre Dame was much more wooden than I anticipated when I visited 20 years ago, but it's possible my memory is flawed.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    Load bearing foreskin

    You rang?

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    I think it would be kinda neat if the parts that need rebuilding were rebuilt with modern techniques and materials

    Its already gonna not be ancient beams that have stood for hundreds of years anyway so why not just make it out of steel or whatever

    Like I don't know if there is a good engineering reason why it can't be done but I can't think of any aesthetic reason it couldn't be done

    Kwoaru on
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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »

    The tweet appears to have been deleted. What was it?

  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    5 years seems doable

    The existing plans already exist

  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    The donations for the rebuild are gonna hit a billion easy. Theyre already at a half a bil.

  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    honestly a thousand year old fake is still pretty valuable

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    honestly a thousand year old fake is still pretty valuable

    at that point it is almost indistinguishable in terms of monetary value

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  • statlerstatler Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »

    I can appreciate the urgency, but at the same time this seems to be a thing that should be allowed to take as long as it takes to be done properly.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »

    huh I actually kind of like the fake more but it's probably worth considerably less

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Xaquin wrote: »
    5 years seems doable

    The existing plans already exist

    Work on historic sites like that is extremely slow. They probably need a year or more just to clean up and access the damage.

    And then Gothic style handmade masonry. If more elaborate parts have to be replaced, a single piece can take months or years.

    honovere on
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    I suspect a lot of how fast they can rebuild it will be dictated by how much they open back up for use/tourism purposes.

    If they completely close it off, it'll be done a LOT faster.

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