The only acting that really bothered me when I saw it was Jackman's knight character. I don't even remember what it was about it that put me off, though.
The argument I was making last night was that I don't think all elements of the film need to directly serve the narrative. Sometimes the visual aesthetic helps to manipulate the mood in a more general way.
And this is the basis of where you and I will always come to fisticuffs.
I even agree, slightly - narrative without flair and style is dry and pointless. But we live in a time when too many damned producers and directors obscure the story behind making pretty lights flash in front of our eyes. The story takes backseat to how many bikinis, explosions, drift racing scenes, eye-shocking nebulae, guns and bullet-time shots can be jam-packed into a movie. The Fountain suffers from this to a degree that kills it. Hollywood once was about telling the story - now it's about making monkies in the theater go "ooooooooo." Fuck that. Bring back the story, man.
I know you don't actually mean fisticuffs, but I can't imagine being so confrontational over something of so little importance. That's probably just the mood I'm in, because last night I clearly felt amused to be overly confrontational about nothing at all. But man, it's just a movie.
And I think different movies serve different purposes, just as different paintings do. Some are all about visual craft, some are all about heavy handed messages, and some are in between. A good story can be a great thing; it can serve both the entertainment and the ideology. But I don't think all movies need it. I liked that the movie was ambiguous in some respects. Life is ambiguous.
Good god.
If I could refine the essence of your arguments down to a clear oil, add some coloring and put it in fancy black glass bottles, I'd make a billion dollars selling Eau de Whiny Bitch.
Go drink a latte and wear your beret while telling people that Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reasoning is ironically egotistical, you fucking wimp.
go back to your miller lite and your chevy and stop bitching
It was sold as a time-travelling/time-spanning story but turned out to be a rather basic, formulaic love story with a pretty wrapper.
this is pretty much what i got from it. i'm curious if it would've been any better had he retained the budget to make his original vision, or if that movie just would've been the same but longer.
i think the fountain is aronofsky's best work so far
I think it suffers from the same problem all of aronofsky's films suffer from.
The acting was so off that I didn't really connect with the characters and the overlapping 'narratives' depended on emotional connections to really work so I guess the whole film didn't work for me. It was sold as a time-travelling/time-spanning story but turned out to be a rather basic, formulaic love story with a pretty wrapper.
Basically it was the cinematic equivalent of buying wine for the pretty bottle.
i think the fountain is aronofsky's best work so far
I think it suffers from the same problem all of aronofsky's films suffer from.
The acting was so off that I didn't really connect with the characters and the overlapping 'narratives' depended on emotional connections to really work so I guess the whole film didn't work for me. It was sold as a time-travelling/time-spanning story but turned out to be a rather basic, formulaic love story with a pretty wrapper.
Basically it was the cinematic equivalent of buying wine for the pretty bottle.
didn't you just say you really liked this movie like a page ago
i think the fountain is aronofsky's best work so far
I think it suffers from the same problem all of aronofsky's films suffer from.
The acting was so off that I didn't really connect with the characters and the overlapping 'narratives' depended on emotional connections to really work so I guess the whole film didn't work for me. It was sold as a time-travelling/time-spanning story but turned out to be a rather basic, formulaic love story with a pretty wrapper.
Basically it was the cinematic equivalent of buying wine for the pretty bottle.
didn't you just say you really liked this movie like a page ago
I said I liked it, but I agreed that it had the same issues Deni just pointed out much more elegantly, along with all of Aronofsky's films.
im going to skip the 7 pages of presumably people bitching about ART FILMS ARGH and say that i thought it was really awesome
Wow.
You think that The Fountain was an "art film"?
Because, fuck...that was a $30,000,000+, mainstream Hollywood film with shit acting, no chemistry at all between the leads, an embarrassingly bad script, and a plot centered on a formulaic and uncreative arc that might as well have been crafted by a 10th grade girl.
You want a fucking art movie, go watch Red Road, Grbavica, or even Triad Election.
Because, fuck...that was a $30,000,000+, mainstream Hollywood film with shit acting, no chemistry at all between the leads, an embarrassingly bad script, and a plot centered on a formulaic and uncreative arc that might as well have been crafted by a 10th grade girl.
So aside from the $30m budget, what you're saying is art film, art film, art film, art film....
i think the fountain is aronofsky's best work so far
I think it suffers from the same problem all of aronofsky's films suffer from.
The acting was so off that I didn't really connect with the characters and the overlapping 'narratives' depended on emotional connections to really work so I guess the whole film didn't work for me. It was sold as a time-travelling/time-spanning story but turned out to be a rather basic, formulaic love story with a pretty wrapper.
Basically it was the cinematic equivalent of buying wine for the pretty bottle.
im going to skip the 7 pages of presumably people bitching about ART FILMS ARGH and say that i thought it was really awesome
Wow.
You think that The Fountain was an "art film"?
Because, fuck...that was a $30,000,000+, mainstream Hollywood film with shit acting, no chemistry at all between the leads, an embarrassingly bad script, and a plot centered on a formulaic and uncreative arc that might as well have been crafted by a 10th grade girl.
You want a fucking art movie, go watch Red Road, Grbavica, or even Triad Election.
a) i didnt say it was an independent film
b) i didnt say it was an art film either, but everyone ive heard complaining about it calls it an art film, says it was too "arty", etc.
c) ive seen all those movies, stop trying to namedrop you pretentious faggot
in other news i agree with weatherman when he says naporeon is trying to sound pretentious with the name dropping
who fucking cares if this movie had a big budget, it was still written and directed by an artist who believe in his craft, and that makes it pretty fucking artsy in my book, jerks
i liked The Fountain very very much. it is my favorite movie. i really enjoyed the pretty special effects. i thought the acting was really good. i cry very hard whenever i watch this movie, because i think it is moving. i have watched it 7 times.
On a more serious, dare I say more intellectual note, this movie's polarizing nature is probably one of the reasons I hold it in such high regard. I think it's brilliant. A lot of other people think it's brilliant too. In addition, a lot of people think it's shit. That's ok. I understand it got booed at one of its preliminary showings. People looking for explicit narratives and strictly-defined character development are going to be dissapointed, and I easily see where most of the criticism comes from. It takes a certain attention to detail to enjoy this movie, and it's unrealistic to expect that from the general movie-going public. You really have to watch it more than once, as well. I actually have watched this movie seven times now, and even now, I'm still noticing things that I didn't notice before.
I'm not trying to convert anyone, by the way. If you don't like it then you don't like it, it's unlikely your opinion will change. At least understand where the appreciation can come from, similarly to how I can understand where its criticisms come from. I wouldn't go so far as to say The Fountain is a "classic," it's far too cerebral for it to attain that status, but god damn if it isn't akin to a religious experience to me. If that makes me a faggot, I'll be off to blow guys in bus stations now.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
go back to your miller lite and your chevy and stop bitching
this is pretty much what i got from it. i'm curious if it would've been any better had he retained the budget to make his original vision, or if that movie just would've been the same but longer.
didn't you just say you really liked this movie like a page ago
I said I liked it, but I agreed that it had the same issues Deni just pointed out much more elegantly, along with all of Aronofsky's films.
a basic, formulaic love story with a pretty wrapper sounds pretty unappealing to me
You think that The Fountain was an "art film"?
Because, fuck...that was a $30,000,000+, mainstream Hollywood film with shit acting, no chemistry at all between the leads, an embarrassingly bad script, and a plot centered on a formulaic and uncreative arc that might as well have been crafted by a 10th grade girl.
You want a fucking art movie, go watch Red Road, Grbavica, or even Triad Election.
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a) i didnt say it was an independent film
b) i didnt say it was an art film either, but everyone ive heard complaining about it calls it an art film, says it was too "arty", etc.
c) ive seen all those movies, stop trying to namedrop you pretentious faggot
I know that sort of thing has always been gay, but I was under the impression that it didn't always have to be pretentious, as well.
hes namedropping a bunch of movies he assumes i havent seen to stroke his own ego
plus there was nothing at ALL logical about his post, PLUS it was ENTIRELY based off of his misinterpretation of my post
you're a fucking idiot
i'm assuming that by trying to change the subject, you at least realize you're completely wrong
When I start, I'll let you know.
Rebuttals are of course welcome, but stop with the ego games. It's just a forum for pete's sake.
in other news i agree with weatherman when he says naporeon is trying to sound pretentious with the name dropping
who fucking cares if this movie had a big budget, it was still written and directed by an artist who believe in his craft, and that makes it pretty fucking artsy in my book, jerks
i liked The Fountain very very much. it is my favorite movie. i really enjoyed the pretty special effects. i thought the acting was really good. i cry very hard whenever i watch this movie, because i think it is moving. i have watched it 7 times.
On a more serious, dare I say more intellectual note, this movie's polarizing nature is probably one of the reasons I hold it in such high regard. I think it's brilliant. A lot of other people think it's brilliant too. In addition, a lot of people think it's shit. That's ok. I understand it got booed at one of its preliminary showings. People looking for explicit narratives and strictly-defined character development are going to be dissapointed, and I easily see where most of the criticism comes from. It takes a certain attention to detail to enjoy this movie, and it's unrealistic to expect that from the general movie-going public. You really have to watch it more than once, as well. I actually have watched this movie seven times now, and even now, I'm still noticing things that I didn't notice before.
I'm not trying to convert anyone, by the way. If you don't like it then you don't like it, it's unlikely your opinion will change. At least understand where the appreciation can come from, similarly to how I can understand where its criticisms come from. I wouldn't go so far as to say The Fountain is a "classic," it's far too cerebral for it to attain that status, but god damn if it isn't akin to a religious experience to me. If that makes me a faggot, I'll be off to blow guys in bus stations now.
Don't you just hate trolls Borface?