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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    I used to bake cookies for people all the time because it takes little effort and it warmed my heart to see the joy in people's faces.

    Bless your heart.
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    I've posted a lot about the epidemic of loneliness among older men. Many middle-aged and elderly men literally have zero intimate relationships in their lives outside of their monogamous partner.

    But here's the thing. The marginal utility of having 1 close friend over 0, or having 2 close friends over 1, is huge.

    The marginal utility of having 20 friends over 19 isn't remotely the same magnitude.

    Similarly, consider whether the emotional labor you're doing is actually fostering relationships. Conversations on emotional labor get overly focused on things like Christmas cards; such gestures just keep the door open but you really need to have direct interaction with the people in your life.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    If they aren't happy with me stopping at the store and picking up some cookies and insist I actually cook the things myself is about when I stop caring. Sure I'll pick up some cookies for the party. "Now don't go to wegmans and cheat!" Fuck right the fuck off.

    I don't need the hassle and I'm perfectly content with becoming an ogre in a swamp.

    I 100% believe this and imagine it's common but if anyone ever said this to me I'd laugh at them. but I'll grant that there's probably a reason no one has ever said that to me.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    I frequently remind my fiancé to invite his friends to things and maintain his relationships and I am terrible at emotional labor. How did it end up this way. It's like if a dog became president, something is wrong.

    Hold on, I'm not expert on gay relationships

    According to Insta, I should ask which one of you never opens up about his trauma and which one never shuts up about it? How does the emotional labor divide relate to what I understand to be the "can drive" / "iced coffee" dichotomy?

  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    i passionately hate pot lucks

    it should be acceptable to just hand over $20 instead

    that's enough to have a salad doordashed or something

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Bowen, they're asking you to not cheat because Wegmans cookies are shit

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  • Hi I'm Vee!Hi I'm Vee! Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C E Registered User regular
    Speaking of baking, I'm bringing my brownie pan with me this weekend.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure I've never sat to just pee in my entire life, that's the whole reason I have this thing!

    Yeah its like buying a sports car and driving the speed limit. With the same chance of the police asking you how your evening is going...

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    Speaking of baking, I'm bringing my brownie pan with me this weekend.

    is it an all-edges one?
    please say yes

    Bless your heart.
  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    Organichu wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Burnage wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    re the emotional labor convo. Most of the stuff I see commonly cited (cards, anniversary calls etc) I regard as relatively unimportant. The stuff that I do think is important (genuinely checking in on friends, actively maintaining friendships etc) I really do not notice the women in my life doing more often than the men.

    Isn't this, like

    part of the point

    This seems like begging the question. Not all women value cards and canned anniversary calls as emotionally portentous, so if it makes the conversation easier then pretend I’m one of those women.

    I agree, there's a lot of emotional labor make-work. But there are other things like remembering birthdays, tracking obligations, setting up parties and events, remembering to generally keep friendships alive, maintaining an address book, remembering major holidays, asking "can I bring something" when invited somewhere...

    All this kind of stuff is emotional labor and falls generally to the woman in a relationship. Or in a gay relationship one person tends to pick it up more than the other.

    I agree with most of this. I’m not looking to dispute that there is a gender disparity in how we’re conditioned to apportion certain social tasks. My primary point was the larger, more substantive, less administrative ones- things like maintaining a friendship or making sure friends are ok- do not track so neatly. In my experience, of course.
    While I do get your point ("It's the Big Picture Friendship(TM) that counts"), the fact that people (not just you) devalue the other things that go into making a relationship work (like so-called "administrative stuff") is a pain point for a lot of relationships. This is often exhausting for the partner that bears that work without acknowledgement or help. It can definitely be seen as not valuing the relationship as a whole.

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    bowen wrote: »
    imma be honest parties or get togethers where "can I bring something?" turns into me doing actual work I just stop attending.

    Yeah I'm not cooking a fucking casserole or cookies for a god damned get together because you want to hang out

    Most of the time all you really need to bring is beverages. Bringing a bottle of wine to a dinner party is pretty common etiquette; or bringing beer to a barbecue. I hate cooking, but I couldn't possibly count the number of times I've attended a potluck and somehow been the only person to remember to bring soda and plastic cups.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Variable wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    If they aren't happy with me stopping at the store and picking up some cookies and insist I actually cook the things myself is about when I stop caring. Sure I'll pick up some cookies for the party. "Now don't go to wegmans and cheat!" Fuck right the fuck off.

    I don't need the hassle and I'm perfectly content with becoming an ogre in a swamp.

    I 100% believe this and imagine it's common but if anyone ever said this to me I'd laugh at them. but I'll grant that there's probably a reason no one has ever said that to me.

    The nicer people in the group take it out of the store bought tin and put it in their own.

    I have no qualms with just kind of shrugging and going "sorry not interested I'll see y'all next time." I just have zero energy to invest in dicking around with that. I understand there's plenty of others who will bake cakes and all that but I hate the process and hate dishes so I ain't doing it and I guess sorry if that upsets anyone.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • AbdyAbdy Registered User regular
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    Feral wrote: »
    I've posted a lot about the epidemic of loneliness among older men. Many middle-aged and elderly men literally have zero intimate relationships in their lives outside of their monogamous partner.

    But here's the thing. The marginal utility of having 1 close friend over 0, or having 2 close friends over 1, is huge.

    The marginal utility of having 20 friends over 19 isn't remotely the same magnitude.

    Similarly, consider whether the emotional labor you're doing is actually fostering relationships. Conversations on emotional labor get overly focused on things like Christmas cards; such gestures just keep the door open but you really need to have direct interaction with the people in your life.

    I need to get better at maintaining friendships with the people I know who are here since I don't just run into them all the time as much as I'm out doing stuff less often

    but me and the knuckleheads from the day are still tight like we've been for twenty years

    I'm reasonably certain these friendships will end with death

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  • Hi I'm Vee!Hi I'm Vee! Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C E Registered User regular
    TTODewback wrote: »
    Speaking of baking, I'm bringing my brownie pan with me this weekend.

    is it an all-edges one?
    please say yes

    No. Not a big deal though.

    While the edges of my butterscotch brownies are better than the middle pieces, the middle pieces are still god-tier.

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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    I buy publix bakery cookies if its a party where there's a lot of people.
    I only bake cookies for small groups of friends. not the unwashed masses

    Bless your heart.
  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    I've posted a lot about the epidemic of loneliness among older men. Many middle-aged and elderly men literally have zero intimate relationships in their lives outside of their monogamous partner.

    But here's the thing. The marginal utility of having 1 close friend over 0, or having 2 close friends over 1, is huge.

    The marginal utility of having 20 friends over 19 isn't remotely the same magnitude.

    Similarly, consider whether the emotional labor you're doing is actually fostering relationships. Conversations on emotional labor get overly focused on things like Christmas cards; such gestures just keep the door open but you really need to have direct interaction with the people in your life.

    my cousins and their parents get so many cards they end up in a pile on the table. at my house we only get a few, but my dad puts them up in our dining room all around the mirror and I get to inspect how this or that kid has grown, etc.

    it can mean different things to different people AND from different people. not that I think you'd disagree, just that there's so many ways this stuff can be more or less important for any given relationship.

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Storebought cookies for dessert... It's like when that one cheap friend says they're bringing chips and you're like "oh no no don't worry about it!" because you know if they bring chips it's going to be stale, unflavored store brand garbo chips. The kind that dissolve in your mouth.

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  • RonTheDMRonTheDM Yes, yes Registered User regular
    I have zero intimate relationships

    and zero non-intimate relationships

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Bowen, they're asking you to not cheat because Wegmans cookies are shit

    Weird how people eat them like they're made with fucking cocaine.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    I'm told cakes are similarly easy to cookies but i've never baked a cake

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  • AbdyAbdy Registered User regular
    I'm on facebook, that handles all the remembering birthdays and stuff I've been invited to for me no emotional labour needed

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    Variable wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I've posted a lot about the epidemic of loneliness among older men. Many middle-aged and elderly men literally have zero intimate relationships in their lives outside of their monogamous partner.

    But here's the thing. The marginal utility of having 1 close friend over 0, or having 2 close friends over 1, is huge.

    The marginal utility of having 20 friends over 19 isn't remotely the same magnitude.

    Similarly, consider whether the emotional labor you're doing is actually fostering relationships. Conversations on emotional labor get overly focused on things like Christmas cards; such gestures just keep the door open but you really need to have direct interaction with the people in your life.

    my cousins and their parents get so many cards they end up in a pile on the table. at my house we only get a few, but my dad puts them up in our dining room all around the mirror and I get to inspect how this or that kid has grown, etc.

    it can mean different things to different people AND from different people. not that I think you'd disagree, just that there's so many ways this stuff can be more or less important for any given relationship.

    Do what my Nonna does and hang a string near holidays from one wall to another and put your cards on the string!

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  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    Burnage wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    re the emotional labor convo. Most of the stuff I see commonly cited (cards, anniversary calls etc) I regard as relatively unimportant. The stuff that I do think is important (genuinely checking in on friends, actively maintaining friendships etc) I really do not notice the women in my life doing more often than the men.

    Isn't this, like

    part of the point

    This seems like begging the question. Not all women value cards and canned anniversary calls as emotionally portentous, so if it makes the conversation easier then pretend I’m one of those women.

    I agree, there's a lot of emotional labor make-work. But there are other things like remembering birthdays, tracking obligations, setting up parties and events, remembering to generally keep friendships alive, maintaining an address book, remembering major holidays, asking "can I bring something" when invited somewhere...

    All this kind of stuff is emotional labor and falls generally to the woman in a relationship. Or in a gay relationship one person tends to pick it up more than the other.

    To some degree I don't think having a division of labor in a relationship is a bad thing, though it is bad when a person feels forced into that role when they explicitly don't want to be. Like, with my roommate we have a pretty clear division of labor and I pick up slack on rent and ordering out where I don't in household chores and cooking. I think that's fine as long as everyone feels as though that's equitable.

    But realistically I am never going to be the kind of person who is on top of thinking ahead for social obligations, even though I do work actively on making myself better at it, and I am willing to have someone be a drain on my other resources in return for helping me with that.

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    bowen wrote: »
    If they aren't happy with me stopping at the store and picking up some cookies and insist I actually cook the things myself is about when I stop caring. Sure I'll pick up some cookies for the party. "Now don't go to wegmans and cheat!" Fuck right the fuck off.

    I don't need the hassle and I'm perfectly content with becoming an ogre in a swamp.

    Yeah, fuck that.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • Hi I'm Vee!Hi I'm Vee! Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C E Registered User regular
    I'm told cakes are similarly easy to cookies but i've never baked a cake

    This depends a lot on the cake. There is a pretty major range of cake difficulty.

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  • AbdyAbdy Registered User regular
    I get very few cards, which I've come to see as a plus, since the ones I do get I treasure

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    i passionately hate pot lucks

    it should be acceptable to just hand over $20 instead

    that's enough to have a salad doordashed or something

    This is disgusting

  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Bowen, they're asking you to not cheat because Wegmans cookies are shit

    Weird how people eat them like they're made with fucking cocaine.

    many things about the experiences you report are surprising, yes

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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    These days I don't cook for anyone though because my kitchen is just too small to have mixing bowls and pans out everywhere. It has almost 0 usable surface area.
    This has contributed to depression

    Bless your heart.
  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    Storebought cookies for dessert... It's like when that one cheap friend says they're bringing chips and you're like "oh no no don't worry about it!" because you know if they bring chips it's going to be stale, unflavored store brand garbo chips. The kind that dissolve in your mouth.

    see you can name your brand and amount if you want, if i get to bring a dessert or buy a thing that is a massive relief in any sort of pot luck situation

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    oh shit I forgot I'm in chat, can't bring up anything that's not hand made gourmet from that one local place they know in their big city.

    A thousand pardons good sirs and madams.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    I feel bad at work pot lucks because, since I don't bring anything, I don't like eating anything since I'd be the free rider.

    We'll see how long this blog lasts
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  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Bowen, they're asking you to not cheat because Wegmans cookies are shit

    Weird how people eat them like they're made with fucking cocaine.
    Americans being willing to eat something that's in front of them isn't exactly an ironclad case

    Happiness is within reach!
  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    Aegis wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I've posted a lot about the epidemic of loneliness among older men. Many middle-aged and elderly men literally have zero intimate relationships in their lives outside of their monogamous partner.

    But here's the thing. The marginal utility of having 1 close friend over 0, or having 2 close friends over 1, is huge.

    The marginal utility of having 20 friends over 19 isn't remotely the same magnitude.

    Similarly, consider whether the emotional labor you're doing is actually fostering relationships. Conversations on emotional labor get overly focused on things like Christmas cards; such gestures just keep the door open but you really need to have direct interaction with the people in your life.

    my cousins and their parents get so many cards they end up in a pile on the table. at my house we only get a few, but my dad puts them up in our dining room all around the mirror and I get to inspect how this or that kid has grown, etc.

    it can mean different things to different people AND from different people. not that I think you'd disagree, just that there's so many ways this stuff can be more or less important for any given relationship.

    Do what my Nonna does and hang a string near holidays from one wall to another and put your cards on the string!

    since you said Nonna I'm inclined to trust you. we have a system but maybe I can talk them into doing that somehow.

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Bowen, they're asking you to not cheat because Wegmans cookies are shit

    Weird how people eat them like they're made with fucking cocaine.
    Americans being willing to eat something that's in front of them isn't exactly an ironclad case

    hue hue hue :rotate: fuck america!

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    Variable wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I've posted a lot about the epidemic of loneliness among older men. Many middle-aged and elderly men literally have zero intimate relationships in their lives outside of their monogamous partner.

    But here's the thing. The marginal utility of having 1 close friend over 0, or having 2 close friends over 1, is huge.

    The marginal utility of having 20 friends over 19 isn't remotely the same magnitude.

    Similarly, consider whether the emotional labor you're doing is actually fostering relationships. Conversations on emotional labor get overly focused on things like Christmas cards; such gestures just keep the door open but you really need to have direct interaction with the people in your life.

    my cousins and their parents get so many cards they end up in a pile on the table. at my house we only get a few, but my dad puts them up in our dining room all around the mirror and I get to inspect how this or that kid has grown, etc.

    it can mean different things to different people AND from different people. not that I think you'd disagree, just that there's so many ways this stuff can be more or less important for any given relationship.

    Do what my Nonna does and hang a string near holidays from one wall to another and put your cards on the string!

    since you said Nonna I'm inclined to trust you. we have a system but maybe I can talk them into doing that somehow.

    It's great, you get them off your table, and you can still admire the art of the cards hanging there.

    We'll see how long this blog lasts
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  • ChuChu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Burnage wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    re the emotional labor convo. Most of the stuff I see commonly cited (cards, anniversary calls etc) I regard as relatively unimportant. The stuff that I do think is important (genuinely checking in on friends, actively maintaining friendships etc) I really do not notice the women in my life doing more often than the men.

    Isn't this, like

    part of the point

    This seems like begging the question. Not all women value cards and canned anniversary calls as emotionally portentous, so if it makes the conversation easier then pretend I’m one of those women.

    I agree, there's a lot of emotional labor make-work. But there are other things like remembering birthdays, tracking obligations, setting up parties and events, remembering to generally keep friendships alive, maintaining an address book, remembering major holidays, asking "can I bring something" when invited somewhere...

    All this kind of stuff is emotional labor and falls generally to the woman in a relationship. Or in a gay relationship one person tends to pick it up more than the other.

    I agree with most of this. I’m not looking to dispute that there is a gender disparity in how we’re conditioned to apportion certain social tasks. My primary point was the larger, more substantive, less administrative ones- things like maintaining a friendship or making sure friends are ok- do not track so neatly. In my experience, of course.
    While I do get your point ("It's the Big Picture Friendship(TM) that counts"), the fact that people (not just you) devalue the other things that go into making a relationship work (like so-called "administrative stuff") is a pain point for a lot of relationships. This is often exhausting for the partner that bears that work without acknowledgement or help. It can definitely be seen as not valuing the relationship as a whole.

    I apologize for marginalizing those things. I know they are important to many. I guess if I could say one thing as a takeaway for what I’m thinking: as I often overlook or compartmentalize away these particular needs, I would invite others to consider whether the labor that they perform touches those they hope it does. The sort of labor I need is chronically under serviced by women and men alike ime.

    Chu on
  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    If you're buying a dessert, ice cream is a good choice. It's popular, everybody likes it, and generally high end commercial products like Häagen-Dazs are better than what you could make.

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  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    edited May 2019
    bowen wrote: »
    If they aren't happy with me stopping at the store and picking up some cookies and insist I actually cook the things myself is about when I stop caring. Sure I'll pick up some cookies for the party. "Now don't go to wegmans and cheat!" Fuck right the fuck off.

    I don't need the hassle and I'm perfectly content with becoming an ogre in a swamp.

    As someone who prides himself on slacking in the office and buttressing that with a ton of good home cooked food

    Ffuuuuuuuuuck that you bring in those grocery store cookies I'm eating those bitches with a pot of coffee

    SummaryJudgment on
  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Hm. Something big going on with Microsoft Azure, affecting parts of our Office 365 and some of our cloud hosted services.

    Maybe I Shouldn't have come back to work after my doc appt.

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