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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Yeah ducks doesn't play tanks.

    Even when he plays tanks he doesn't play tanks.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    And yet, I'm always tanking.

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    Ahhh, there's the Legion of Beetles nerf. I figured that something was going to happen to it someday since why the hell would you pick any of his other level 1 talents (before now)?

    Also, was hotslogs abandoned or something? I noticed the Anub'arak build page still shows Legion of Beetles as a level 4 talent, and that was changed months ago.

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    The Garrosh change is weird, they literally said that the throw nerf was intended to lower his popularity.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    forty wrote: »
    Ahhh, there's the Legion of Beetles nerf. I figured that something was going to happen to it someday since why the hell would you pick any of his other level 1 talents (before now)?

    Full Harden Carapace [W] build has been the Anub meta for a while, I think: Nerubian Armor (1); Shed Exoskeleton (4); Chitinous Plating (7); Cocoon (10); Urticating Spines (13); Epicenter (16); Rewind / Hardened Shield (20). It allows you to maintain almost complete uptime on Harden Carapace, which means almost complete uptime on 60 Spell Armor and +30% movement speed, and spamming E translates into pretty significant short-range AoE damage with Urticating Spines.

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    I was not aware of that, but just FYI, E is Burrow. W is Carapace.

    If that's the case, then why was Legion the one to get nerfed?

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited May 2019
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Decimate is easily on par with Warlord's Challenge. I'm not sure that's up for debate.

    i'm honestly not sure how, considering one is a small amount of damage + 30% slow, and the other is an aoe taunt

    being able to aoe silence+hold people in place is extremely fucking strong


    edit: you also keep saying decimate is as good as/better than warlord's challenge but you haven't really explained why that is, though.........

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Dibby wrote: »
    edit: you also keep saying decimate is as good as/better than warlord's challenge but you haven't really explained why that is, though.........

    I have to explain why imposing a near-permanent 30% slow (and after 20, a near-permanent 20% damage nerf) on enemy players can be just as good as an AoE taunt? Does the enemy team have melee assassins? If so, it's pretty crippling. Does your team have melee assassins? Or anybody that deals bonus Executioner damage? If so, it's incredibly enabling. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying it's the default pickup at level 10; I'm saying there are times when a Tank needs to bring sustained AoE crowd-control, and other times when he needs to bring on-demand lockdown. It's important to be able to recognize both situations, and build accordingly.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    I was not aware of that, but just FYI, E is Burrow. W is Carapace.

    If that's the case, then why was Legion the one to get nerfed?

    You're right, brain fart.

    With regard to Legion of Beetles, I dunno. It's the most popular choice at level 1, but only by about 6%.

    And it doesn't perform any higher than Anub's standard win%, so your guess is as good as mine.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    y'all ever have a game where you're doin' real good and then your shithead anub'arak is bot lane by himself post-20 for no reason and E's into the enemy team 1v4 and dies?

    yeaaaaaaaah

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    The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    y'all ever have a game where you're doin' real good and then your shithead anub'arak is bot lane by himself post-20 for no reason and E's into the enemy team 1v4 and dies?

    yeaaaaaaaah

    tag yourself, I'm anub

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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    We are the problem with Quick Match, guys

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    finnithfinnith ... TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Sometimes your comp is just better than the other team's.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    @Munkus Beaver if you happened to catch that god Entomb at the end of our Warhead Junction game on stream or something, it'd be rad to see in replay.

    We had just taken the Boss, and were beginning to march it down top lane when at least three members of the opposing team wrapped around into view alongside us. I'm not sure what their plan was; maybe to flank our backline? And then they chickened-out midway through and didn't commit? I can't be sure. But boy howdy, was it a mistake to flounder around and cluster up during that transition. I just walked over, dropped a casual Entomb and buried their team alive.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Oh man, shit, I should just start streaming randomly

    I kinda forgot about it after some dude tried to steal my twitch but I'll that more later. I'll try to clip it for ya though

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Furthermore, Leoric is like my spirit animal now. I just feel so confident on him. A big part of the learning curve for me was recognizing that I'm no good at all with the Ominous Wraith / Royal Focus build. I know it's good, it just feels awkward and I'm super uncomfortable with it. Once I made the transition to Spectral Mace / Mithril Mace, I really started gaining momentum. I really appreciate about Leoric that all three of his level 1 talents are viable, and that my pick is a game-by-game, case-by-case decision based on varying circumstances. That feels great.

    Other than level 1, though, I tend to stick pretty consistently to the rest of the talents:

    Kneel, Peasants at level 4, which gives him tremendous waveclear potential; Willing Vessel at level 7, primarily because it's easy to land Drain Hope on heroes trapped in an Entomb, and the bonus healing helps to keep you alive long enough to score that pick; Entomb at level 10 unless there's just no realistic way to get value from it (there almost always is, though); Spectral Leech at 13 and Mithril Mace at 16, because they have a lot of synergy together; Buried Alive at 20 because it's easily one of the best ult-upgrades in the game. Landing an Entomb after level 20 is essentially proclaiming a death sentence on your target, and if you can manage to land multiple enemies in a single cast, you can probably just win the game off of that play. The fact Entomb's cooldown is only 50 seconds is just absurd, given how impactful it can be.

    I basically just bounce between lanes, dual-soaking, and popping into teamfights whenever Entomb's up to help score a pick. Then I go back to soaking XP. I like this build a lot because it basically ensures a pick with every Entomb; if I catch somebody out, I follow it up immediately with a Drain Hope that can't miss, which heals me for a ton because of Willing Vessel, then I walk up for the body block and start trading with Spectral Leech and insane Mithril Mace attack speed. You can melt the shit out of Tanks like that, to be honest.

    Leoric's so good.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    one of the large problems with Leo's E build is that it 100% requires your team to be able to follow through and make use of the 50% reduced damage

    because otherwise, you can ghostyghost through the enemy team but if your team just sits there doing nothing.........

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Dibby wrote: »
    y'all ever have a game where you're doin' real good and then your shithead anub'arak is bot lane by himself post-20 for no reason and E's into the enemy team 1v4 and dies?

    yeaaaaaaaah

    oh, follow up:

    our team was split up during this (2 bottom, 3 elswhere) and our lunara says "don't split up just stay together"

    LATER.........

    enemy team is pushing in bottom, i ping to defend. lunara is......... top lane.............................

    i say "lunara, we need your help" nothing. "lunara, come." nothing. enemy team pushes in to keep and wipes us.

    "lunara, don't split up"

    "i was pushing out top lane."

    kill me :^)))

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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    finnithfinnith ... TorontoRegistered User regular
    that is one laggy ass clip

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    Genji coming in for the save in the nick of time.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    finnith wrote: »
    that is one laggy ass clip

    *shrug*

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    anyway, in lighter non-tilting news,

    Muradin's tweaks seem VERY good. like extremely good. like, i think they fixed the problem(s) with his talent tree good.

    in particular, his level 4s and level 13s. previously, there was only really one correct way to go there (Thunder Burn and Healing Static, OR Thunder Strike if you felt yolo enough :winky:). i know Ducks over here has been singing praises about Sledgehammer even before these buffs, and honestly i thought it was a good talent as well.... just that i felt very hard pressed to give up Thunder Burn. the extra duration on the slow/aspd slow plus synergy with Static meant it was very difficult to give that up.

    BUT. now i think you can give that up. both Sledgehammer and Reverberation both seem quite good. Sledgehammer granting extra stacks for the quest is actually really, really good, because let's face it: sometimes you just have games where you're not stacking the way you want to, or you're not able to get those Q kills for the bonus stacks. so now that PLUS the PVE damage? quite good. not the default pick, but a strong option now.

    Reverb as well is also a strong option. again, a talent i always felt was strong (50% aspd slow MURDERS autoattackers) but it was hard to compete with Thunderburn. but hey, now that we have the Ult CDR built in? hoooo baby that's fucking good. and again, not a default pick, but when it's applicable? hell yeah.

    now the other cool thing about Mura's tweaks with this patch are his level 13s. again, Healing Static used to be the only one unless you were feelin' yolo. but after having toyed around with Bronzebeard Rage, i think it's fucking insane. i can walk into a minion wave at like 50% health and just get MASSIVE fucking healing off. it's CRAAAZY strong. it also translates to some pretty extreme sustain in teamfights, of course. and, yknow, more importantly, it's both a damage and healing talent, and provides Mura with a waveclear option. very very strong choice now i think. and if you still need extra burst healing you can still grab Stoneform at 16.

    i have not messed around with Thunder Strike yet, but honestly that's always been a good talent purely because of the burst damage (but you'd be a bit more vulnerable without having the healing from Static). i'm guessing the double duration on the armor is probably pretty good though. but at this point man i'm hard pressed to give up Bronzebeard Rage, that talent so fuckin' nutty.

    at this point i'm willing to say he has legitimate choice at level 4 and level 13 now. i think his level 7s still maybe suffer a bit, Give em the Axe! is just so fucking strong still. it's honestly where a large majority of his damage comes from, like you sit on someone and can pressure them out just with AAs. Skullcracker still sometimes good when you just need that mini-stun, so the buff there is nice, but. plus hey, they buffed Third Wind and i always took Third Wind~

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    SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    Sledgehammer might be the pick going forward especially on maps with pve obj, but one thing to keep in mind evaluating it; sledgehammer is currently bugged and giving you q stacks when you hit anything, like a wall or a minion.

    This lets you get the pierce extremely fast, which is really what lets you farm those stacks

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    SeGaTai wrote: »
    Sledgehammer might be the pick going forward especially on maps with pve obj, but one thing to keep in mind evaluating it; sledgehammer is currently bugged and giving you q stacks when you hit anything, like a wall or a minion.

    This lets you get the pierce extremely fast, which is really what lets you farm those stacks

    yeah i conked a merc yesterday with my Q and it went DINGGGG QUEST COMPLETE and i was like buhhhh whaaaaa???

    still think it'll be good post-bugfix though

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Wait, so you can walk around and infinitely stack Perfect Storm on minions and shit?

    Tonight's gonna be awesome

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    SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    The bug stacks the baseline q quest, not perfect storm sadly, no one shooting everyone.

    But getting pierce finished in the early game lets you get big perfect storm numbers a lot easier

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    No one knows how to macro in this game.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Are we discussing macro?

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    Tim is on the InternetTim is on the Internet On the Internet Edmonton, ABRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Is Bold Strategy still worth taking?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I'll be on in an hour or less, just gotta eat these wings

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Those wings were delicious, btw

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Can't decide if my daughter wearing her mom's HotS hoodie is a new hero or a Chromie skin.
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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Holy fucking shit.

    I have never carried harder than I did in this game.

    I pretty much won this game single handidly.

    The Jaina was OK. The Aba and KT were fuckin potatoes. The enemy team had pushed us down to the core and started playing with their food instead of ending right away.

    And fuckin.

    Heroic Difficulty Ragnaros don't play like that, motherfuckers.

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    The final battle I stunned them with MC, which allowed Jaina to land her ring, which wiped three members of the enemy team because they ate a Heroic Lava Wave and all my other MC abilities.

    Zera tried to delete the team at their core, but I got the Nano Boost and whoops no more zeratul.

    What a way to end the night. FUCKIN YEAH RAGNAROS IS THE ELEMENTAL BADASS, KING KONG AIN'T GOT SHIT ON ME

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    And el oh el getting mvp with eight deaths sure feels like an achievement

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    For some reason, it just struck me that I've been playing this game for five years.

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    Tim is on the InternetTim is on the Internet On the Internet Edmonton, ABRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Is Bold Strategy still worth taking?

    I think I've settled on Renew with Inner Fire. I was taking Bold Strategy and Holy Reach but six seconds seems too long between Flash Heals.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    For some reason, it just struck me that I've been playing this game for five years.

    jesus fuck, yeah

    wow. yeah. fuck.

    i started playing when li li and brightwing were introduced. that was april 2014. holy shit.

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    SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    Renew definitely seems like the stronger option if the cooldown from bold strategy seems too long. The range on persued by grace seems too small to really be that helpful.

    It be nice if there was some way to really keep track of how much healing you get from it over a game, but it seems like a lot of work to really pay attention to

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