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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    SeGaTai wrote: »
    Renew definitely seems like the stronger option if the cooldown from bold strategy seems too long. The range on persued by grace seems too small to really be that helpful.

    It be nice if there was some way to really keep track of how much healing you get from it over a game, but it seems like a lot of work to really pay attention to

    as soon as Hotslogs unfucks itself with the current build thing, we'll be able to see the actual numbers

    but yeah, a 4 sec cd vs a 6 sec cd is waaaaay too long now i think to justify bold strat

    i still see people taking bold strat without even thinking twice about it anymore too

    hmm

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    THE FOLLOWING HEROES ARE FUN AND INTERACTIVE:

    1) Kael'thas
    2) Abathur

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    0-17-0 MVP Anub. Love my beetle boy.

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    The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    THE FOLLOWING HEROES ARE FUN AND INTERACTIVE:

    1) Kael'thas
    2) Abathur

    man what state is the game in that even Ant is one-note complaining like this

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    To be fair, someone had to take over for Knight.

    There must always be a Salt King

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
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    don't mind me y'all just going full on toxic on the weekend

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Leoric has very quickly become the comfiest of comfort picks for me.

    Firebat's also coming along at a decent enough rate.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Earlier in a match on Warhead Junction, enemy ETC and Malfurion tried to gank Munkus in the top lane, blew Mosh Pit and Emerald Nightmare both, and didn't score the pick. He and I were both sat there behind our Towers afterwords like, "wtf just happened?" Later in the match, they tried the same thing against me: ETC slid in from smoke to get the stun, and I had just enough time to pop Pyromania before the Mosh hit. Enemy team followed up with a bunch of attacks, including Emerald Nightmare again. And I end up just Crip-walkin' out there with a good 50% of my health left because, lol 40 armor on demand.

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    The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Leoric has very quickly become the comfiest of comfort picks for me.

    Firebat's also coming along at a decent enough rate.

    Are AA carries notsomuch a thing anymore? Last time I tried to go about Leoric-ing I'd run into random Vallas that'd just eat my lunch.

    He fucks up mages real good though, and if Ant is to be believed there's a lot of Kael going 'round.

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Leoric has very quickly become the comfiest of comfort picks for me.

    Firebat's also coming along at a decent enough rate.

    Are AA carries notsomuch a thing anymore? Last time I tried to go about Leoric-ing I'd run into random Vallas that'd just eat my lunch.

    He fucks up mages real good though, and if Ant is to be believed there's a lot of Kael going 'round.

    Valla is still bad and scary as a Leo player, yeah. Generally less common, though.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Leoric has very quickly become the comfiest of comfort picks for me.

    Firebat's also coming along at a decent enough rate.

    Are AA carries notsomuch a thing anymore? Last time I tried to go about Leoric-ing I'd run into random Vallas that'd just eat my lunch.

    He fucks up mages real good though, and if Ant is to be believed there's a lot of Kael going 'round.

    Valla is still bad and scary as a Leo player, yeah. Generally less common, though.

    i see more vallas than i do greymanes

    what the fuck happened to my good good wolf boy

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    mange

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    my current prevailing theory is that greymane started mixing business and pleasure and started quaffing his own supply, yknow

    and he's just the dealer, see. his suppliers? ain't too happy about that

    so the gilneans came knockin and then it was curtains for our boy here

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The enemy team bears down on us with a boss and level 16 advantage

    Voracity yells back

    "You don't seem to understand, I'm not locked in here with you

    https://clips.twitch.tv/TiredLachrymoseAlpacaVoteYea

    you're locked in here with me!"

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Are AA carries notsomuch a thing anymore? Last time I tried to go about Leoric-ing I'd run into random Vallas that'd just eat my lunch.

    They're still a thing, never really went anywhere. Leo just doesn't involve himself in teamfights for long enough for it to matter. You play him in much the same way you play Malthael, or any other XP-focused Bruiser; you fast-clear your lane, look to dual-soak, and every 50 seconds when Entomb's off cooldown, you let your team know to be aggressive and you rotate in for a pick. Then you go back to soaking while the rest of your team applies pressure 4v(x<4).

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    The enemy team bears down on us with a boss and level 16 advantage

    Voracity yells back

    "You don't seem to understand, I'm not locked in here with you

    https://clips.twitch.tv/TiredLachrymoseAlpacaVoteYea

    you're locked in here with me!"

    Did you win this game? Their siege advantage is huge.

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    Witty signature comment goes here...

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    The enemy team bears down on us with a boss and level 16 advantage

    Voracity yells back

    "You don't seem to understand, I'm not locked in here with you

    https://clips.twitch.tv/TiredLachrymoseAlpacaVoteYea

    you're locked in here with me!"

    Did you win this game? Their siege advantage is huge.

    We did! Basically every fight past that we got our ult combo down and won the fights.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Are AA carries notsomuch a thing anymore? Last time I tried to go about Leoric-ing I'd run into random Vallas that'd just eat my lunch.

    They're still a thing, never really went anywhere. Leo just doesn't involve himself in teamfights for long enough for it to matter. You play him in much the same way you play Malthael, or any other XP-focused Bruiser; you fast-clear your lane, look to dual-soak, and every 50 seconds when Entomb's off cooldown, you let your team know to be aggressive and you rotate in for a pick. Then you go back to soaking while the rest of your team applies pressure 4v(x<4).

    jesus i wish i could do this in my leoric games, man

    every time i try this my team needs me to babysit them. if i'm not there with them 200% of the time they wander off into africa and fucking explode and then yell at me for their poor decision making/positioning.

    like HERDING CATS

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Dibby wrote: »
    jesus i wish i could do this in my leoric games, man

    every time i try this my team needs me to babysit them. if i'm not there with them 200% of the time they wander off into africa and fucking explode and then yell at me for their poor decision making/positioning.

    like HERDING CATS

    It is no more Leoric's job to save people than it is Ragnaros' job, or Malthael's job, or Sonya's, or Xul's.

    Fuck 'em.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    *Plays Maiev to see what's up*

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    General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    I'm still hoping for a maiev reskin with an alternate voice. One where she doesn't have a frog in her throat.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited May 2019
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Dibby wrote: »
    jesus i wish i could do this in my leoric games, man

    every time i try this my team needs me to babysit them. if i'm not there with them 200% of the time they wander off into africa and fucking explode and then yell at me for their poor decision making/positioning.

    like HERDING CATS

    It is no more Leoric's job to save people than it is Ragnaros' job, or Malthael's job, or Sonya's, or Xul's.

    Fuck 'em.

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    ?????

    i mean i did that, and you see what happened anyway though, right

    (we still won, right, but, holy shit)

    we legitimately almost lost this one and would have if it weren't for Buried Alive

    ducks, i'm gonna be honest, i don't know how you manage to do your thing AND have your teammates not be complete fucking chuds in the process, my dude. i tried doing exactly what you said and i lost like 4 games in a row.

    legit, the mass deaths only stopped when i started going with my team and babysitting them. i don't know how you manage to do it.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    I'm still hoping for a maiev reskin with an alternate voice. One where she doesn't have a frog in her throat.

    it's the same VA as warcraft 3

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    When all the feeders and the randos look up and shout, "Save us!"

    Just look down, and whisper, "No."

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    So in last weeks brawl i got yrel in a game had no idea how to play her nor did i know i had her. Played a few ai games when i got brawler/tank as a daily she is a lot of fun and her banter is worth it if you play wow

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    oh my fucking god wait it's the weekend isn't it

    fuuuuuuck man i totally forgot aaaaaaaaaa

    that'd explain some shit then huh

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Heyo, circling back around to Mr More Murderin' Muradin.

    Sledgehammer is a hilarious upgrade.

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    General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    edited May 2019
    I'm still hoping for a maiev reskin with an alternate voice. One where she doesn't have a frog in her throat.

    it's the same VA as warcraft 3

    I have nothing against the VA. Poor maiev needs a lozenge though.

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    SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    Getting really annoyed at trying to heal puggies that jump into 1v5s, don't soak, and don't even try to dodge skill shots.

    Just now i was on Deckard, have 3 potions on the ground in the "grown" form. Half hp Zeratul teammate rides right past then, engages 1v3, dies.

    I'm like "why didn't you pick up the potions?"

    Silence

    "The red things on the ground"

    He goes "i guess i was saving them".

    My qm hell ladies and gents.

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    oh my fucking god wait it's the weekend isn't it

    fuuuuuuck man i totally forgot aaaaaaaaaa

    that'd explain some shit then huh

    Holiday weekend

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    kime wrote: »
    Dibby wrote: »
    oh my fucking god wait it's the weekend isn't it

    fuuuuuuck man i totally forgot aaaaaaaaaa

    that'd explain some shit then huh

    Holiday weekend

    I 100% forgot it was a holiday weekend and was silently wondering why everyone else was up so late tonight.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I have been feeling nauseous as all hell these past few days. Just fuckin sick as a dog and I have no idea why, ugggggggggggggh

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    Maybe you're Elliot and HotS is E.T.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    The wife finished her latest piece of artwork. This time it was an original pose instead of copying something found online. Thought you'd all appreciate it.

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    Took her about 3 weeks or so from start to finish. She was having a rough time getting the face to look right (completely redoing it at one point), so I went on Facebook to ask my art friends for advice. @milk ducks chimed in letting me know that even Blizzard can't get her face right. :)

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    even Blizzard can't get her face right

    It's true

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
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    i gave Maiev's blink build a swing today. it's quite fun! i think it's pretty good. the change to Sudden Vengeance alone is HUGEEEE because you're no longer operating within a 0.35 sec window (seriously, who the fuck thought that was a good idea).

    it's neat though~

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    So this is a really interesting video:
    https://youtu.be/9ciRuSelqyc

    Several months before HGC disbanded (and for a long time in Korea), Varian was not considered a hard counter to Tracer in pro play for exactly the reasons Mochrie describes. Assuming two players of significant, if equal, skill, a Varian will hold their skills until they count Tracer's Q's down, and a Tracer will always keep Q in reserve until Varian dives for the blow-up combo.

    However, Varian was considered a soft early-game counter for exactly those same reasons - a Tracer that cannot use Q has a significantly higher skill floor to play and cannot contribute to fights outside of slight poke damage unless she has a Sticky Bomb available. (This is, coincidentally, why pro players have always farmed for bomb charge ever since Tracer was released - at that level of play, much of Tracer's value lies in her ability to get deep ganks via Bomb.) By late game, if Tracer picks the right talents, she becomes such a nuisance even just peppering the tank that she can trade relatively well, especially over the long term.

    But a lot of this really only applies at the highest levels of play (a level which, at least from the perspective of macro and coordination, no longer exists in the game, even in the independent "pro" tournaments that are being run today). The ability to counter a Varian Charge by spamming Q backwards when he uses it assumes that the Tracer player has the reaction time to do so in the first place. I'm fairly certain that the majority, if not the vast majority, of players simply do not have the reaction time or mechanical skill (e.g., moving the mouse quickly enough to aim the Q) to pull this off. Similarly, as alluded to before, this also assumes that the Tracer player is good enough not to get hit by avoidable damage without heavily using Q - otherwise she does not have a meaningful presence in a team fight and her team will get run over.

    And then you consider that at lower levels of play, Tracer's mobility actually becomes a huge problem - it gives less-skilled players the means to avoid damage that they would take in other cases, and it also gives them the means to avoid getting blown up by wombo combos (well, what counts for wombo combos at those levels of play).

    I just find the whole thing really interesting. Genji also faces a similar problem, where his mobility in a vacuum isn't the issue at high levels of play so much as it's his ability to kill targets deep in the other team's backline. So Blizzard addressed this by nerfing his AA - his ability to safely trade during skirmishes. But when you play at Silver, Genji's overall mobility gives him so much more of a margin for error that he becomes overwhelming in the face of uncoordinated, unskilled (in comparison) opposition.

    It's also kind of interesting how Illidan used to hold that distinction back when the game first came out, and how much this balance problem still shows up but has simply deviated to other, more mobile heroes - partially because he is relatively less mobile but also because TTK decreased dramatically in the interim (while his own ability to kill his targets decreased in relative proportion).

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Mochrie's not wrong but he's also a GM Tracer one-trick, so when he talks about things being "just that easy", you obviously need to take it with a grain of salt. Like, things he can make the character do, and things he considers to be really easy, are in fact, not easy for the vast majority of the playerbase. I can't count the number of games I would have lost had it not been for the fact that I've got Mochrie on Tracer on my team with Hawkray as his pocket Tassadar. The amount of ridiculous, game-breaking bullshit a good Tracer can get up to is absolutely unrivaled in HotS. Except maybe GM Medivh one-tricks.

    (I actually don't think Mochrie's a Tracer "one-trick", btw; I know he's a competent, well-rounded player. But he does pretty much only play Tracer. In fact, I can't remember a time when we've grouped and he's not played Tracer)

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I am cocasting one of the NGS' offseason matches, if ya'll wanna watch it

    Here:

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Are AA carries notsomuch a thing anymore? Last time I tried to go about Leoric-ing I'd run into random Vallas that'd just eat my lunch.

    They're still a thing, never really went anywhere. Leo just doesn't involve himself in teamfights for long enough for it to matter. You play him in much the same way you play Malthael, or any other XP-focused Bruiser; you fast-clear your lane, look to dual-soak, and every 50 seconds when Entomb's off cooldown, you let your team know to be aggressive and you rotate in for a pick. Then you go back to soaking while the rest of your team applies pressure 4v(x<4).

    jesus i wish i could do this in my leoric games, man

    every time i try this my team needs me to babysit them. if i'm not there with them 200% of the time they wander off into africa and fucking explode and then yell at me for their poor decision making/positioning.

    like HERDING CATS
    Dibby, do you play games with players like Mochrie?

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