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The Sopranos-spoiler city

SamSam Registered User regular
edited June 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
Don't read this if you haven't been watching, particularly if you havent seen the one last sunday.

So. Holy fucking shit, eh? Christopher going out like that. Who woulda thunk it?

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    yeah that was a pretty big surprise.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Sam wrote: »
    Don't read this if you haven't been watching, particularly if you havent seen the one last sunday.

    So. Holy fucking shit, eh? Christopher going out like that. Who woulda thunk it?
    I did. I knew Tony wouldn't tolerate him for much longer, given how much he'd been fucking up.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I saw Chris and Tony going head to head at some point, but damn! Actually, when he said "I'll never pass a drug test," i thought to myself, "shit, tony's not going to let you get away with that one. Falling off the wagon and endagering his life doing it? You're fucked." Didn't expect it to happen right then though. It was such a wrenching scene, Tony doing it that way.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    There are only a few episodes so nothing will surprise me really. Except we find out that Tony is actually Jacob!

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  • liquidloganliquidlogan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Something has got to happen with Paulie after he said that he would never forget the fact that nobody came to his "mom's" funeral. I think the Christopher death is probably going to come back to haunt Tony only because it seemed so malicious and he was so unsympathetic about it. During the entire series, despite EVERYTHING Tony has done that was wrong (and there has been plenty), this is the first time that he seems to come across as a horrible person. I think part of that is because we saw Christopher's side of the story a lot so even if Tony was unreasonable in the past in, for instance, killing Ralph, this time it seems that he went too far. I'm predicting that some of his crew will turn on him. I'm thinking specifically Paulie.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    Something has got to happen with Paulie after he said that he would never forget the fact that nobody came to his "mom's" funeral. I think the Christopher death is probably going to come back to haunt Tony only because it seemed so malicious and he was so unsympathetic about it. During the entire series, despite EVERYTHING Tony has done that was wrong (and there has been plenty), this is the first time that he seems to come across as a horrible person. I think part of that is because we saw Christopher's side of the story a lot so even if Tony was unreasonable in the past in, for instance, killing Ralph, this time it seems that he went too far. I'm predicting that some of his crew will turn on him. I'm thinking specifically Paulie.

    You're just learning Tony is a evil guy? Watch the series again and see all the people's lives he has ruined, including those within his own family. Tony only cares about himself.

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  • liquidloganliquidlogan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Something has got to happen with Paulie after he said that he would never forget the fact that nobody came to his "mom's" funeral. I think the Christopher death is probably going to come back to haunt Tony only because it seemed so malicious and he was so unsympathetic about it. During the entire series, despite EVERYTHING Tony has done that was wrong (and there has been plenty), this is the first time that he seems to come across as a horrible person. I think part of that is because we saw Christopher's side of the story a lot so even if Tony was unreasonable in the past in, for instance, killing Ralph, this time it seems that he went too far. I'm predicting that some of his crew will turn on him. I'm thinking specifically Paulie.

    You're just learning Tony is a evil guy? Watch the series again and see all the people's lives he has ruined, including those within his own family. Tony only cares about himself.

    Did I say that Tony wasn't evil throughout the series? No, I did not. I said that in my viewing of the series, Tony has generally been portrayed as a character who, though we might be uncertain about him as a person, we are ultimately approving in many ways. We see this with Ralph or Pussy who, I don't know about you, but you can't necessarily feel bad for their deaths. Ralph was a constant prick and, though he was funny, he was never to the point where we felt horrible about his death. Same with Pussy. He was a great character but, in the end, his death was brought on by the fact that he betrayed Tony.

    With Christopher, this has not been the case. If anything, although Christopher has been constantly questioning he allegiance and has done stupid mistakes, he had never done anything that necessarily created such antagonisms against his character as Ralph, Pussy or Tony B. For all Chris has fucked up, he has time and time again returned to supporting Tony. He helped bury Ralph, he sacrificed Drea, he held Carmella when Tony was in the hospital, and for all his shit with Paulie, he promised Tony that he would be cool because he wouldn't want to hurt him because he loves him. Christopher wasn't killed because he was "dangerous" in my opinion, or because he disappointed Tony, or even because he might have killed his child in the car accident. Tony was overcome by his paranoia, and that led him to kill Christopher. Everything else seems like a cover. Now that Tony has killed what I consider to be one of the most genuine characters in the series, I fail to see him in the same light as I did in the past: cheers have turned to jeers.

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  • RoanthRoanth Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Anyone else think that that the flashing sun at the end of the episode followed by Tony screaming, "I get it!", could possibly mean that Tony is going to get his "son" involved in the business finally? I am grasping at straws here, but there has to be a reason AJ has been getting so much screen time this year. I think he is going to play a major role in the last few episodes (or why bother with all the background), maybe he'll kill Tony or something.

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  • liquidloganliquidlogan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Roanth wrote: »
    Anyone else think that that the flashing sun at the end of the episode followed by Tony screaming, "I get it!", could possibly mean that Tony is going to get his "son" involved in the business finally? I am grasping at straws here, but there has to be a reason AJ has been getting so much screen time this year. I think he is going to play a major role in the last few episodes (or why bother with all the background), maybe he'll kill Tony or something.

    I think he might do something against Tony. I mean, they are very similar: both have panic attacks, both go to shrinks, but at the same time, AJ has showed in the last episode that while he may have glamorized his father's life int he past, that time has past when he sees the reality of it, hence his "why can't we all just get alone?" quote.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Trying to predict anything with The Sopranos is grasping straws. There's generally just a lot of foreshadowing and most of it goes nowhere.

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  • GrimDog420GrimDog420 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    this season has sucked even more shit than the last few seasons....and thats quite an accomplishment.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I think Tony went from regular bad dude doing what it takes to full on sociopath in this episode.

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  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Red herring foreshadowing is the hallmark of Sopranos.

    But I thought he said "I did it!" Meaning "I killed Christopher."

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I heard "I get it!"

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  • liquidloganliquidlogan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Its "I get it!" It was on the Sopranos quote website I believe. Wikipedia confirms at any rate.

    I'm interested to know what happens with Uncle Junior. I doubt that they'll just leave his character hanging after 6 seasons of him playing an important, albeit secondary role.

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  • CaswynbenCaswynben Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I really liked the way they teased with Cleaver's ending, compared with how the Christopher/Tony thing ended. Many fans were expecting an emotional one on one showdown between the two, which they showed in Cleaver, but that is not what we got. We got something so dreary and heartrenchingly pathetic and anticlimactic. I love it.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I cant believe Tony asked Carmella if she was relieved though, that's when I actually said out loud that he was fucking losing it.

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  • Original RufusOriginal Rufus Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I've really never truly disliked Tony before this moment.

    Even when he killed his cousin, the obvious pain he suffered mitigated the act. But goddamn...Christopher? That was brutal.

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  • liquidloganliquidlogan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I've really never truly disliked Tony before this moment.

    Even when he killed his cousin, the obvious pain he suffered mitigated the act. But goddamn...Christopher? That was brutal.

    This is precisely what I was saying before. This is the first time you feel like "WTF Tony? WHAT THE FUCK?"

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  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    The last few episodes have probably been the best episodes for ages.

    And yeah, Chris dying was fucked up.

    Rome is falling, boys. It's just a matter of time.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited May 2007
    Man, I never liked chris.

    I drift in and out of the sopranos and every time I drift in I think "I can't believe that guy isn't dead yet"

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Why? I don't get the sympathy for Chris. Killing him wasn't Human of the Year material but it made sense from Tony's standpoint as the mob boss, plus Chris is not only a sociopath, he's a stupid and self-centered one. Or, he was. What does everyone want Tony to do? His only options are get out of the mob or do it to the best of his sociopathic ability. If he's not making efforts to get out, acting the other part to its fullest really doesn't shock me. From a humanistic standpoint, he's done worse, anyway.

    Either way, I'm enjoying The Sopranos more for the story than the personal investment I put into the characters. This shit isn't a soap opera, it's something to think about.

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  • RubycurseRubycurse Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    When Tony said "I get it," he was saying he understood how Christopher could have gotten addicted to drugs. He "got" the high and understood how he could get addicted to that feeling and not stop.

    The show is finally starting to pick up some steam after dragging on for the past couple of seasons, and I think they have too much to wrap up in 3 episodes. If they had kept AJ the way he was going w/ his crew, I'd think they were setting him up to take over for Tony. However, with only 3 episodes left, and AJ's reaction to the biker getting beaten up, it doesn't seem that is likely.

    This is the first time I wouldn't care if they did away with the entire family. I've never been a huge Paulie fan, but after last week I'd like nothing more than to see his death. After this week, doing away w/ Tony would only seem right, especially after listening to him try to justify what he did by mentioning that baby seat to everyone.

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  • Original RufusOriginal Rufus Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Killing Tony seems way too obvious, and really, it would be kind of a cop out.

    That's about the most contrived way to end a series like this.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited May 2007
    Man, you don't live that life and not die relatively young.

    Vito dying made me sad, especially his big smile in the weight loss picture

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Tony saw Chris as weak because he refused to take responsibility for his self-destructive actions, that doesn't get turned on its head in the middle of Tony's first high (which I doubt it was). And if they wanted to make the case for Tony getting an understanding of drug addiction then the drug he took wouldn't have been mescaline, as it isn't physically addictive. As far as I know, mescaline is not much for inducing euphoria over what Tony has taken for his depression in the past.

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  • Original RufusOriginal Rufus Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Dennis Miller had the best series finale concept ever.

    Tony's info to the FBI checks out, a major terrorist act is averted, and he becomes a national hero.

    Meanwhile, Carmella's spec-house collapses, killing the family within, and causes her to go to jail.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    AJ gets hit by a bus, he forgot that.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited May 2007
    the spec house is going to go wrong. it has to

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I was kinda hoping the last season would end with Tony being put in jail or dying and everyone else dealing with it. I want Bobby to take over.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    Dennis Miller had the best series finale concept ever.

    Tony's info to the FBI checks out, a major terrorist act is averted, and he becomes a national hero.

    Meanwhile, Carmella's spec-house collapses, killing the family within, and causes her to go to jail.


    Oooo, fucked up but pretty probable.

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  • liquidloganliquidlogan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    There are three episodes left. These are the little blurbs that don't tell you much about the story but gives you hints. I'll spoiler them anyways, but they aren't much, really.
    1. Phil turns down Tony's offer of compromise; AJ despairs about the world and his future; Tony takes umbrage over an affront to Meadow.

    2. Loyalty to Tony reaches a critical stage for those within his sphere of influence; a case of mistaken identity has grave consequences.

    3. The Finale

    Just thought I'd throw those out there.

    Also yeah, the terrorist thing seems small enough to be exploited.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Rubycurse wrote: »
    When Tony said "I get it," he was saying he understood how Christopher could have gotten addicted to drugs. He "got" the high and understood how he could get addicted to that feeling and not stop.

    I didn't get that impression at all.

    I don't think we know what the 'got' yet... we will have to wait until Sunday to find out.

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  • Original RufusOriginal Rufus Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Variable wrote: »
    Rubycurse wrote: »
    When Tony said "I get it," he was saying he understood how Christopher could have gotten addicted to drugs. He "got" the high and understood how he could get addicted to that feeling and not stop.

    I didn't get that impression at all.

    I don't think we know what the 'got' yet... we will have to wait until Sunday to find out.

    I'm betting it has to do with AJ. Count the number of times in the show, and even that episode, where someone makes reference to Tony as Christopher's father, while Tony has no idea what to do with his actual son.

    Meanwhile, his actual son is getting dangerously close to Tony's brand of business.

    The only thing is, it would be a pretty major contradiction for Tony to offer that kind of life to AJ.

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  • CaswynbenCaswynben Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    How many times has Tony said he doesn't want this life for AJ.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    they all say that.

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  • SnarfmasterSnarfmaster Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Tony seems to constantly be trying to think of a way out. I'm gonna bet he finds one. Either through turning rat, stopping some terrorists, whatever i say he gets out of this scott free.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Or blame everything on Christopher. They did that with Ralph.

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  • liquidloganliquidlogan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I've been doing some thinking and when I saw the bus advertisements for the new season (Betrayal. Prison. with a picture of Tony) I got an idea. Think of it this way.

    Does anyone else think that with the exception of Adriana and, to a lesser extent, Christopher, the only person who has had issues with Tony's job in terms of morals has been Carmella (Edit: other than Dr. Melfi but I can hardly think that she'd play a major role in bringing a conclusion to the series)? Think about it. The whole situation with the priest, the period of separation, the constant questioning about Adriana and now the sympathy and remorse for Christopher? I'm starting to think Tony might some how spill the beans (either accidentally or is overheard) about the shit he's done and Carmella might end up turning on him. I'm not sure, but I think AJ has to fit into this somewhere. If, as the blurb I posted above says,
    Meadow gets "afronted" and Tony gets upset about it

    I wouldn't be suprised if it came from either Carmella or AJ who finally come out and question Tony's morality out in the open. I mean, this isn't like Meadow who always hides behind the question of morality by looking at the past, the Mezzogiorno specifically. This is all speculation, but I'm thinking Tony might be forced to act against one of his own family members and that gets him thrown in jail.

    Hrm... reading that again, maybe it isn't so plausible. But if you're going to get betrayal, it has to be from either Carmella, AJ or maybe Paulie. Bobby and Tony had the thing in the first episode of Season 6-2, but that died off. Nothing has been said about Silvio at any time to suggest it might be him. I think somebody has to betray Tony.

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  • an_altan_alt Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Oh come on, we all know how it's going to end - Christopher comes back from the dead with a large knife in place of his right hand and kills Tony with it. Duh

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